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Posted By not2needy 1 year, 7 months ago in NewsBarack Obama began sketching the outlines of his expected presidential contest against Republican John McCain on Saturday, saying the fall election will be more about specific plans and priorities than about questions of political ideology or who is more patriotic.
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not2needy1 year, 7 months ago
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Barely mentioning Democratic rival Hillary Rodham Clinton, Obama said he was open to campaigning with McCain in "town hall" events. But he also warned that controversial issues such as McCain's ties to the Keating Five savings and loan scandal are fair game, and he called McCain's proposal for a temporary halt in the federal gasoline tax a pander and a gimmick.
Go Obama!
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hotdrhot1 year, 7 months ago
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Blackacereturn1 year, 7 months ago
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What I don't get is those who keep saying she would be better in the general election. How does this make any sense to them is beyond me. You are saying that a person who can't win in the primaries is a better candidate in the main election for president.
Wait, the people that are voting now are we going to switch them out and bring in a new set of voters? She won PA and the talking heads are like she got him now. then she got her fanny kicked in NC and in a state with the same make up as PA she won by a hair. Then there is the black voters being the reason why he won. But he won 3 stated that are predominantly white and tied in Texas. Maybe it's just me but none of these argument makes any sense, it is as if the corporate media is trying to prolong this so that the GOPers an advantage. Well if that's the case you can see that the people are not buying it, your time is UP, and with any luck this will be the last we see of you and your ilk.
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cloud151 year, 7 months ago
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Well black, the thing is that a lot of Hillary supporters have said that if Obama gets the nomination then they will vote for McCain instead. Some people think that Obama supporters are more likely to vote for Hillary in a general election than Hillary supporters are to vote for Obama. Also some people think that Hillary can snatch some votes away from McCain in a general election as well. Thats why some people say Hillary would be better in a general election.
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Blackacereturn1 year, 7 months ago
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Well most of those so call "some people" seem to be republicans or Hills campaign people. I don't believe a true DEM would vote for McCain...it might be a ploy by the Hill campaign to force the DNC's hand in letting her win. But they are Republicans that will not vote for McCain why would DEMs even consider voting for the people that brought us this government? No amount of spite would allow people to do that to themselves. I will not Neg you because you make a good point!
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mesodude1 year, 7 months ago
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I'm totally with you. If you ever listen to C-SPAN call in segments (and even observe certain posters here on propeller) it's easy to determine when someone is a plant, shill, or rabblerouser. People will call the show claiming to be a Democrat and then immediately launch into CNN (Clinton News Network) mode and you know they've been encouraged to call up and blow smoke.
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mesodude1 year, 7 months ago
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Frankly, I don't put a lot of stock in such remarks because I know there's lot of "chaos" spreaders out there doing their duty to serve people like Rush. I can't believe that, simply because someone's chosen candidate didn't get the nomination, he or she would vote not only against their own country's best interests but the interests of those they love as well and I really think Democrats are much too sane to sacrifice the good of our country so that they can punish those who didn't vote for their candidate. If that happens, then I'll know I've seen the absolute worst of of egotism and self-centeredness ever. I'd like to think the last 8 years are about as low as we can sink and I pray I'm proven right.
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Blackacereturn1 year, 7 months ago
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I agree, it would have to take the worse kind of person... to know what we all know about the GOPers and switch party to vote one back in, it's really hard for me to rap my brain around that concept. Every election there is someone who is on the losing side and never before have I heard this BS. I think the people they ask on the exit pools are the planted GOPers.
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cowboygrandpa1 year, 7 months ago
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While he is not the candidate yet. I'm glad to see that he is setting his sights on beating McCain.
The Keating five, along with his acceptance of Bushes torture and war policies should go along with McCains non knowledge of the economic problms we face. Ask him questions about how he intends to strengthen the economy. Helpthe middle class and working man.
McCain will stumble as he has no clue. LOL
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not2needy1 year, 7 months ago
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jordan111 year, 7 months ago
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Their strategy will be to wait for Obama to make the first moves on policy & change, then attack his ideas with propaganda, & come up subjective ideas of their own that sound pretty but lack substance. If nothing else, CONS are predictable. They're also looking for sound bites as I type this to inundate the airwaves. Soon, the trolls will just parrot the sound bites, and offer no substance or critical thought. I'll be doing a lot of yawning, again.
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Blackacereturn1 year, 7 months ago
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Cowboy - I am assured of this, not only is Obama a very smart man, that's a given but more so the people he has around him the campaign leaders, these have to be the best political minds we have in this nation today. As a black man, and ill admit him being black played a part in my support for him but a very small part. I started out as a Clinton person. I am not just saying this go back and look at my history on here when it come to the Clinton's. However, this guy who wasn't on my radar at the start had been able to make me feel like I felt when the first Clinton ran. There is no doubt that they will cover any and all angles there is to cover. They make the people that got president Clinton elected look like grade schoolers, with all the race that went into the conversation just before NC and Indi I thought he would be done for, and they pulled it off. I mean against the media that lied and say she won PA by 10 points when it was 9, and the press core with Wright and all of that.
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bamababy1 year, 7 months ago
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Senator Obama is bi-racial,white mother, black father, not that it matters to me what color his skin is, because bottom line is this. This man is an astounding human being, one who will fight FOR the people of the United States not against us. A man with amazing vision and insight,into the world around him. You can be sure Senator Obama will be and is surrounded by other brilliant people,he isn't a man afraid someone may be smarter than he, Senator Obama has the innate ability to make you understand your own personal power to exact change in this country,and in turn the world. This man welcomes the voices of the people and what we have to offer to this country. He also recognizes the responsibilty each of us has to ask for and receive change in our government, he has been working this ideology from the start. We need to know we matter, and he will allow us to matter once again. He will challenge each of us to make changes to better our world and that scares some people.
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cowboygrandpa1 year, 7 months ago
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Blackacereturn:
That is good. I'm glad to see he is turning his attention to McCain. For although some political manuvering is needed.
For candidates to constantly tear each apart is hurtful in the long run. I've been watching Hillary do that and I have lost respect for her capabilities. Now I don't know if Obama has what it takes or not. But I'm sure McCain doesn't. So as of right now since it seems as if Obama will be the candidate he has my vote.
As far as him being a black man or not. Who really cares. I just want a good president who loves our country and wants to return it to following the constitution and bring back work to America. Stop the flood of illegals and address the war situation in a way that is meaningful yet firm.
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 7 months ago
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Ron Paul destroyed McCain [and the rest] in the GOP debates
I can't wait to get my petty revenge and see OBama tear McCain a new one in the debates, thus paying back those idiot Repubs who would choose a nitwit like big John over Paul
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu-tg1kQ8dk
'don't know much about hisss-toe-ree...don't know much about gee-og-rah-fee...don't know what a shee-ite is for...'
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cowboygrandpa1 year, 7 months ago
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Sadecaller:
McCain first has to know the correct question. I don't even think he has the right questions down yet.
Like: Why are so many Americans fed up with Bush and his administration?
How can we as a nation begin to return to the America that respects the constitution?
How are we going to sucessfully get out of Iraq and still keep our national interests and those of the rest of the world from collapsing?
How are we going to bring back manufacturing to America?
Just to name a few.
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Spadecaller1 year, 7 months ago
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Cowboy:
If freedom of speech is restored, we might hear those questions in these upcoming debates. Instead we will probably get the Blitzer crap; what did you mean by "lost his bearings? Weren't you referring to Senator McCain's age?"
Meaningful dissent is absent from msm and I regret to say that I expect CNN and the rest of the networks will make sure not to allow debates that will raise the issues that Americans really want to discuss in greater depth.
By distracting the public from the real issues, they can sell the next Bush regime.
Better start boycotting the TV networks and start demanding change. As soon as their ratings start falling off, they will respond and make some improvement. To a significant degree it is up to us.
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Blackacereturn1 year, 7 months ago
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In all of my life experience losing ones barings never had anything to do with ones age. I think he meant he is off message, or McCain should know better. But this is going to be the Republican talking point his Age. If I was advising Obama I would let them talk about that and never say a word about it.
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automan9091 year, 7 months ago
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McCain will easily win in the end.
Obamas' being a racist and anti American will be his demise.
Blacks will still vote for him because he is black but his inexperience and stupidity will ultimately do him in.
He can't compete with a true patriot.
In the end, socialism will lose and capitalism will win.
Racists will lose and America will win.
Obama can go back to his racist anti-American church and worship in hatred on Sundays as usual, and America will still be the greatest nation on earth.
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ETproductions1 year, 7 months ago
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How predictable. Spin and lie, smear and fear. Spin and lie. Smear and fear.
Obama is running against just such smear and fear politics. By doing so, this relatively unknown upstart is within sight of the primary victory running against the most powerful and entrenched political machine in the Democratic party.
Be afraid, ConMen. It's no longer going to work. The people have seen through your tactics.
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Spadecaller1 year, 7 months ago
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I'm beginning to believe that the politics of division and fear may work against those who try to use it. Like a boomerang it came back on the Clintons in the Carolinas and in Iowa. The last midterm election, the mudslingers got the worst of it from the voters. Maybe there is some light at the end of this tunnel.
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quiteman1 year, 7 months ago
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To automan909,
And of you racist people out there that don't want to vote for Obama you need to check yourselves; your trying to paint Obama as being a racist about Rev. Wright but you need to look into McCain's own back yard first even though I know you don't want to.
McCain's "Spiritual Guide" Wants America to Destroy Islam
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Blackacereturn1 year, 7 months ago
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automan909 - You have no idea what a racist looks like. Here is how you get an idea, look in a mirror and the person looking back at you well that there would be your racist. What has Obama done/say that makes him a racist and anti-American?
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memestryker1 year, 7 months ago
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The vice presidential selection could make it or break it.
My $0.02--Obama has the young vote, black vote, gay vote, will have most democrats and women once Clinton pulls out, and he's always had the ultra-liberal vote.
McCain has never been particularly protective of the second amendment, which Bill Clinton suggests won G.W. Bush the presidency. That leaves McCain's dependable base as conservative white males and ultra-conservative females. I think a significant number of conservative blacks will vote for Obama. And a significant number of Republican women are against criminalizing abortion, so McCain's base gets shaved off there, too.
I can't wait to see who they choose for running mates.
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nikkibabe1 year, 7 months ago
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Questions for McCain:
. Talk about your association and scandal with Charles Keating when you both bilked thousands of small depositors out of their life savings. He went to prison; how did you avoid prison time?
. You denounced religious right in 2000 as forces of evil, now you embraced them as your buddies? Why?
. You opposed Bush tax cuts for the filthy top 1% of the richest in 2000, now you want it and also make it permanent. Why?
. Whole country and the world knows that the invasion and occupation of Iraq was for oil. The country has been destroyed, millions of refugees, thousands dead and displaced, costed already close to $1 trillion. 78% of the people oppose it and want to end it. Why you want to continue? Al Qaeda was not there before.
. Your health care proposal sucks. How can your tax credit proposal help people who have no jobs and when they lost jobs. Employer provided plans offer COBRA which guarantees continuation of health care for 18 months. What does your plan do.
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nikkibabe1 year, 7 months ago
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"Obamas' being a racist and anti American will be his demise."
. This is news. So did the Negroes bring whites from Europe for slavery? The statement appears to imply that. So the history has been rewritten.
. Anti American. I have not seen sign of that. He is opposed to the invasion & occupation of Iraq. So, does this make him anti American? Patriotism is something that sits in a person's heart and not on a jacket. Con artists and criminals disguise & impersonate with outwardly show of a difference. That does not make them American and patriotic.
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TheSatyr1 year, 7 months ago
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Obama's lack of judgement,inexperience and book will do him in. His own book makes him sound like a rascist,but his supporters say it's ok cause he's black. I consider Obama and Ron Paul to be the biggest con men in politics right now.
Funny how Ron Paul supporters think it's perfectly ok for neo-nazi groups and the KKK to send money to Paul's campaign and it's funny that Obama's supporters aren't questioning why Hamas has come out in support of Obama's campaign.
What do these groups know about these 2 candidates that we don't?
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 7 months ago
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so yer not diggin Obabam or Paul...which is it? McCain or Hillary?
It's anonymous. You can answer.
or are you gonna write in Ozzy Osbourne or I.P. Freely?
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BTW, I wouldn't put too much stock in Hamas political picks. They may be better than us at winning hearts and minds, but I doubt they are really trustworthy analysts of the American political machine
By the by the way:
I think it's really funny when people say 'Aha! Osama wants the dems to win, like the opinion of mass murderers has value. He may be a bloodthirsty religious zealot who's invisible friend tells him he needs to kill women and children, but he's opinions have merit in the political arena, despite his own politics, which call for random bloodshed'
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Blackacereturn1 year, 7 months ago
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Hamas was asked a question and they give an answer, what does that mean. Do you really think hamas would send a man to take over our government and keep it quiet all this time and on the heals of doing so blurt out that's our planted man? Your comments are not only idiotic it's out ans out stupid. Please go away and come back when you find your brains and not rushes he is a jackass. God I cant stand this level of stupidity...if you would get off your blind hate ride for a second you would see how stupid the hamas thing is.
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ladylou41 year, 7 months ago
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The best thing all of us can do if we are really serious about "change we can believe in" is to support the Obama campaign with financial donations, make phone calls to potential primary voters, especially Montana and Oregon, and keep talking!!
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quiteman1 year, 7 months ago
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All of you racist people out there that don't want to vote for Obama you need to check yourselves your trying to paint Obama as being a racist but you need to look into McCain own back yard first even though I know you don't want to.
McCain's "Spiritual Guide" Wants America to Destroy Islam
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 7 months ago
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''And what's wrong with wanting to destroy islam?''
people are connected to it
Islam is an ideology
you can only kill an idea with an idea
unless you kill everybody, and then there's no one left to take up the idea
**hint hint, think war on terror**
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wildman65571 year, 7 months ago
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A lot will depend on the economy and Iraq in November. If both get worse or just stay bad, then McCain will have a very difficult time of it. Otherwise, he has a chance.
As far as dirt goes... well, McCain has good reasons for wanting to avoid a dirt...
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simonsez1 year, 7 months ago
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It is hard to imagine how Obama can lose this, but he is, after all, a Democrat, and you know how Democrats have a knack for snatching defeat from sure victory.
It will be fun to see what transpires in the next few months.
It reminds me of the "Nanny" show, trying to calm down the siblings ...
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greenmac1 year, 7 months ago
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This is a list of the different religous sects and the number of followers of each them.
http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents...
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scott42611 year, 7 months ago
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FTA:
"Since 1995 the primary UU organization has affirmed officially that it is not a subset of Christianity (although its roots are Christian), but encompasses spirituality from all the major world religions as well as primal-indigenous/tribal faiths. But it should be kept in mind that there are self-avowed Christian Unitarians, Buddhist Unitarians, Pagan Unitarians, etc. In 1990, 500,000 Americans claimed to be Unitarian-Universalists, three times the official organizational count of enrolled members, loosely indicating that Unitarian-Universalism is the general preferred philosophy of far more people than actually participate in or contribute to the congregations and organizations."
Hope that answers your question.
And even though I am Episcopalian by affiliation, I guess I could be one who could be counted as embracing Unitarian-Universalism as the general preferred philosophy...since I believe it is as close as any organized religion comes to one of live and let live...
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Randyrfd1 year, 7 months ago
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The candidate of "NOT POLITICS AS USUAL" is outlining his plans against McCain? How about outlining how you are going to accomplish the plans to move America forward. Or is this what you meant by CHANGE? How does an inexperience man move an agenda forward? Not ready to conceede my vote from Hillary to Obama. I have a lot of Questions?
Hillary all the way to the convention
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scott42611 year, 7 months ago
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Barack Obama is wise to be campaigning against John McCain at this stage, not against Hillary Clinton. And I believe Hillary will, in the end, support the inevitable nomination of Obama...complete with photo ops at the convention with Bill and Hillary, who will promise to campaign for Obama and win the election for the Democrats.
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pcknowledge1 year, 7 months ago
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From your mouth to God's ears.
Another 4/8 years of Bush/McCain policies would be disastrous for our economy and in foreign politics. Bush has destroyed America from the inside and outside. McCain would continue on the same path of economic and political destruction that Bush got us into.
If Hillary is nominated, I'll vote for her. If Obama is nominated, I'll vote for him. And vice versa.
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