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Lurch1 year, 7 months ago
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Obama is the first candidate I have ever been excited about in my life.
He is a populist instead of a `party` candidate. The establishment on the right has chosen YET another immoral, unethical flip-flopping puppet in John McCain. The establishment on the left has chosen Hillary, because let`s face it, the Clintons are a huge part of that establishment for good or bad.
Which is why of all three candidates, I am excited about Obama! It`s time to take back OUR govt.
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memestryker1 year, 7 months ago
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I'm with TheRealizer on this one. Obama has beautiful rhetoric, for sure. He also had no positions on issues when he started campaigning, and voted "present" instead of making decisions on hard issues in the senate
He's also supporting what democratic author Naomi Wolf warns against. He is very anti-second amendment (although he's tried to downplay it), and has served on a foundation that actually funds key gun-ban advocates.
I don't trust anyone who thinks s/he knows more than Thomas Jefferson, and I don't feel very comfortable with any one of the candidates.
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mesodude1 year, 7 months ago
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"I'm with TheRealizer on this one. Obama has beautiful rhetoric, for sure. He also had no positions on issues when he started campaigning, and voted "present" instead of making decisions on hard issues in the senate"
--You sound extremely dangerously misinformed (like someone who has been reading right wing campaign literature without using your brain even once to research the other side). Lots of talking points in your post which makes you sound like an obvious plant or a conned sheep. What have you bothered to do in the way of research to understand why Obama holds the positions he does? I suspect very, very little. ;-(
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Tangent0011 year, 7 months ago
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It's an interesting change of tactics. The anti-Obama crowd use to claim Obama has no substance and that he has no clear policy direction. Now that it is obvious he DOES, they are switching to, "We'll he HAD no positions early in his campaign."
WTF?
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mesodude1 year, 7 months ago
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I hear ya...I'm always suspicious of posters whose comments are spiked with stale sound bites about Obama. For instance, why must I read for the million time (and yet phrased in a way that clearly suggest the poster believes he or she originated the observation) that Obama is articulate? Or about this voting "present" nonsense (which he has responded to repeatedly)? LOL Is there a living soul left on the planet who doesn't know that Barack Obama is a liberal? That Obama "has beautiful rhetoric" isn't some groundbreaking news and when I see simplistic CRAP like that post, I don't have to wonder how our country has deteriorated to the sh*thole it is today. WTF, indeed.
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memestryker1 year, 7 months ago
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meso, I've reviewed every bill he's sponsored and many he has cosponsored at the national and state levels; read his own words; reviewed his activity with groups such as the Joyce Foundation, the U.N., etc.; and pretty much read everything I find about him.
On key presidential-level policy, he pretty much parroted Clinton until he found his own legs (which he did). "Change we can believe in" just seems empty to me.
Thanks for the ad hominem attack. I'm flattered you read my post.
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mesodude1 year, 7 months ago
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"meso, I've reviewed every bill he's sponsored and many he has cosponsored at the national and state levels; "
--I see...I find it breathtaking that, after reading all of the more than 800 bills he submitted in the Illinois State Senate, somehow you were still left with the impression that he "had no positions on issues." Fascinating. Even more intriguing is the fact that you are perplexed that Hillary and Obama hold similar (if not identical) views on certain issues. You see, the problem I have with your post above is that there is nothing whatsoever to suggest that you've done any kind of fact checking about Obama. I've lost track of the number of times the question of his voting "present" came up in interviews and debates, but you write as if you're just learning of his voting record today. And why are you pretending that you're *completely* clueless regarding the Democratic Party's political agenda? This is the part I don't get...
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memestryker1 year, 7 months ago
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MD-btw, I didn't say "read," I said "reviewed." I have no idea how many there are--I just looked up his name and the bills he sponsored and skimmed through them. You can stop putting words in my mouth, if you don't mind. And you seem clueless yourself if you think all the democrats follow the same political agenda. That's one reason we have primaries. The nuances can be significant even if a candidate adopts an entire general platform.
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 7 months ago
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How can he have no positions on issues, but be very anti-second amendment? I hear that a lot, in variations.
Does that go with him being an elitist but a socialist?
And Obama probably feels he knows better than Jefferson, on at least one subject.
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mesodude1 year, 7 months ago
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memestryker's post reminds me of one of those cute little campaign postcards some candidates send out at election time. You know, the ones with a photo of the candidate kissing a baby or hugging a bunny or planting a rainforest or whatever politicians do to appear human these days and with a handful of bullets listing their opponent's shortcomings. Anyway, it's as if some people read the bulleted statements on the card but the critical thinking switch in their brain (the one that in normal people says, "find out what the opponent is saying in his or her defense) shorts out and remains stuck in the off position. Wow...
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memestryker1 year, 7 months ago
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He was weak on major issues like healthcare at the beginning of his campaign, and then started to sound like Clinton before he finally developed it later in the game.
He's been doggedly anti-second amendment, even serving as a board member on the Joyce Foundation, which spends huge sums of money funding the most extreme anti-second amendment organizations, and he supports the U.N.'s citizen disarmament program (see their Millenium Declaration at http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration/ares55...
Elitists like to disarm everyone else. Here is a taste of what others might be calling his "socialism": http://www.opencongress.org/bill/110-s2433/show
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mesodude1 year, 7 months ago
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"He's been doggedly anti-second amendment, even serving as a board member on the Joyce Foundation, which spends huge sums of money funding the most extreme anti-second amendment organizations"
--See, again you're writing as if these are bombshells. I believe the majority of Democrats support some degree of gun control and, in general, Democrats are for diplomacy over senselessly funding the military industrial complex. These aren't issues that require super sleuthing to learn what his positions are. Yet, based on your words, it would seem that this was the first Presidential election in the entire history of elections and you're discovering the Democratic party's platform this year. Are you a new citizen? I'm just curious...
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memestryker1 year, 7 months ago
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No problem.
http://votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id...
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memestryker1 year, 7 months ago
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I think he's unbeatable, with the right running mate. He's well-spoken and inspirational. I honestly hope he's as good as people believe he is and not just another Jimmy Carter.
I knew he was in the game when he clearly and publicly stated his own opinion with respect to those expressed by Pastor Wright. He took care of business.
I think I already provided links and data to support my "allegations" in an earlier post. Let me know if there is something specific I missed.
Don't get me wrong--I may well vote for him (after I see his running mate).
Prohibition (alcohol, abortion, guns, or most products and services) simply pushes items onto the black market. I remember when abortion was illegal--and common. Restrictions are moving it back into the black market. Drugs are illegal and common. Guns are easy to make, so criminals would love to capture that market. I'd like to see Obama state the obvious.
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Blackacereturn1 year, 7 months ago
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memestryker1 year, 7 months ago
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I would be especially FOR my constitutionally guaranteed right to keep and bear arms for the purpose of self-defense if I lived on the West Side of Chicago.
Do some homework on his involvement with the Joyce Foundation (who funds anti-gun extremists who pose as "non-violence educators to get 501(c)3 non-profit status so donors can make tax-deductible donations); his support of disarming the U.S. under the auspices of the U.N. in the Millenium Declaration; his endless attempts to ban semi-automatics, handguns, and rifles (using Horwitz' "assault weapon" terminology to scare people), and it goes on.
I am totally with Mr. O on many issues, but I think he is dead wrong on thinking that disarming law-abiding citizens or making laws that turn them into instant felons is going to stop lunatics and criminals from manufacturing, distributing, possessing, and using guns. Prohibition doesn't work for abortion, for alcohol, for drugs, and it won't work for guns. Period.
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mesodude1 year, 7 months ago
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Americans in general are too violent and poorly educated for us to distribute guns to everyone as if it were candy. If the people in Congress pushing for expanded gun rights were as enthusiastic about extending statehood rights to DC where I live (instead of imagining that every black person they see is armed and dangerous) their motives wouldn't be so questionable. By no means do I want to see more and bigger guns in the hands of people who voted for Bush. It's terrifying enough knowing they actually have the right to vote.
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memestryker1 year, 7 months ago
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MD, Thomas Jefferson and a lot of other very bright people disagreed with you. They thought ordinary citizens were trustworthy, and would normally do the right thing. We've seen it play out repeatedly--at Appalachian School of Law in Virginia, New Life Ministries in Colorado, etc. See, for example, http://freestudents.blogspot.com/2007/04/when-m...
The Supreme Court actually upheld a lower court's ruling that the police have no duty to protect you. Citizens are responsible for their own self-defense. See http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/kasler-protec...
Concealed carry weapon permitholders are less likely to commit crimes than the general population. Prior to the late 1960s, when most children were routinely taught safe firearms handling and played with toy guns, were around their family's hunting rifles and shotguns and dad's service pistol; drew them in school; could buy them at 14, etc., accidents and violence were rare.
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memestryker1 year, 7 months ago
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I should add that, given the number of guns in private hands, accidents and violence is still very rare. Certain groups commit most of the violence, and it's not families that hung on to dad's pistol they once kept loaded in a drawer in case of home invasion (now it's locked up and unuseable in an emergency).
The statistics on dropped 911 calls are horrific--and 911 is useless if a violent crime is in progress. Most rapes and child molestations don't involve guns, and I consider those the most heinous crimes of all. Also--something that amazed me--about 95% of the time, all one has to do is show a gun--not even point it or use it, and the attacker will retreat or be controllable until police arrive.
Criminals and lunatics are the ones breaking the law, so abridging the constitutionally-protected rights of law-abiding citizens jeopardizes their safety and is unconstitutional.
Kids used to make guns in shop class, so banning them won't stop criminals from manufacturing them.
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memestryker1 year, 7 months ago
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In all fairness to McCain and Obama, until recently we didn't have the statistics to show this. We still have funny stats floating around because of all the so-called "anti-violence" groups that are shills for gun-ban orgs so they can keep collecting those tax-deductible donations while they attack our Bill of Rights and give the U.N. more power over us.
Take the time to read the federalist/anti-federalist history to see what the Second Amendment means. The Supreme Court knowingly used their popular "judicial activism" in the 1930s to sideline the 2nd.
We're talking about the same SCOTUS that upheld unwarranted searches, seizures of private property with guilty until the accused proves himself innocent, and freedom of those providing tax-payer funded services to hire and fire based on religion.
Clinton knows the assault weapons ban was an abject failure and the stats never supported it to begin with, yet she's still for it.
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IanFraigun1 year, 7 months ago
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Then you are obviously too young to remember Kennedy (JFK and RFK) back in the 60's. Both would have been elected had RFK not been assasinated in 1968.
Those of us who do remember those years see Obama as the same type of candidate. At least our generation has seen this twice in our lifetime.
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Blackacereturn1 year, 7 months ago
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It's Amazing how sure these people are of what Obama is but in the same vain will remind that they don't know what he stands for, and have no idea whet he is all about.
This can only make sense to a person who follows like a lemming and does no thinking for themselves. I listen to rush for a bit yesterday and he is saying this same foolish crap. For the love of country please start to do some thinking of your own! It really makes you seem silly repeating what this guy says he is an idiot.
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scott42611 year, 7 months ago
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JFK DID cut the marginal tax rates (at least as the percentage of tax appears on paper), but he actually raised them by closing the loopholes that the rich were using to avoid taxes. The result was that the rich actually DID pay more of their fair share...
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Lurch1 year, 7 months ago
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JFK was a fiscal conservative. Something a contemporary Republican would attack.
Obama sounds like he`s hawk enough to me. He intends to go after the terrorists and finish the job that Bush could not be bothered to start, despite Bush`s promises to not rest until OBL was brought to justice. Remember 9/11?
McCain has raised taxes, stolen private property for cronies, flip-flopped on the most important issues because of pressure from his own party (if he thinks that is pressure, how do you think he will stand up to the heat of the WH), he is for handouts for cronies, he is the opposite of a fiscal conservative, he is anti-vet, anti-child, anti-healthcare (hypocrite gets best socialized medicine in world), etc.
Many of the Republicans I know would rather vote for Obama than McCain.
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memestryker1 year, 7 months ago
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Interesting fact, IanFraigun: When RFK was young he aligned himself with McCarthy (communist witch-hunter). My perception is the democratic party has actually moved left since then. RFK was certainly well-loved.
Obama needs to be wary of Soros and keep him at arm's length, since Soros has actually stated that he welcomes the economic decline of the U.S. and the rise of China. Of course, Soros made his own money in the U.S.!
I actually suspected that, due to the extreme right turn of the Bush administration, we were going to have to snap left. My biggest concern is the Supreme Court, if you want to know the truth. I'd much rather see a dem appoint the next judge/s than a repub. That's the real legacy of a president.
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lum-chate1 year, 7 months ago
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lum-chate1 year, 7 months ago
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He's a senator now but he got his start in politics by earning the seal of approval from community activist like Ayers & Reverend Wright and soon climbed the political ladder by gaining the trust ogf the Cook County Crooks who throughout Illinois history have stolen more elections than they actually won.
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Lurch1 year, 7 months ago
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obama could have taken the easy route and gotten any federal clerkship he wanted. He did graduate top of his class at Harvard Law, he`s a minority, and is internationally experienced. He could have had a job at any law firm in the nation in fact.
So, if all he was interested in was politics, do you really truly honestly believe he would give all that up to become a lowly community activist in a poor neighborhood in Chicago? Come on man, use your own head.
Its not like he dumped his wife and the mother of his three children for the money, political connections, and easy street or anything.
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mesodude1 year, 7 months ago
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"Look at Chicago! Do you want the rest of the Country to be like that. Obama District is FULL OF MURDERS AND SLUMS!"
--That sounds eerily similar to the transformation the Bush administration has brought to Iraq over the past five years. ;-(
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Beau78901 year, 7 months ago
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lum:
You are an idiot. Obama doesn't control the police or the housing authority in his district. He's a senator, and he used to be a state senator.
America is full of murders and slums. How do you propose dealing with it? How does McCain or anyone else propose to deal with it?
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memestryker1 year, 7 months ago
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lum-chate,
The problem is that legislators focus on abridging rights--that's what they do all day. Since only law-abiding citizens obey laws, the laws are not that useful for catching criminals, who ignore them and are resourceful enough to work around them. But legislators just pass more and more laws to cover every little needling hole they think they may have left open, until more and more law-abiding citizens are in jail and the criminals continue to run loose.
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memestryker1 year, 7 months ago
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lum-cate, give the man a break. We don't know how to solve poverty and crime, and we keep trying things that don't work. Social programs don't do it, corporatist programs don't do it, putting more people in prison doesn't do it, prohibiting more goods and services doesn't do it.
The real problem is both the repubs and dems think criminalizing more things so more ordinary citizens will go to jail will actually make a difference. It won't. They may jail them using different abridgements of rights, but it really doesn't matter much.
Right now we are suffering much like Mexico, where gangsters and cartels have backfilled behind laws with black markets. We need to figure out how to improve parent quality and mainstream the disenfranchised. Criminalizing behaviors and building more prisons doesn't do it.
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