Young, evangelical ... for Obama? »
Posted By ybdogsct 1 year, 5 months ago in News"If Jesus were alive, he wouldn't necessarily be voting Republican," seminar student Tyler Braun said. "Christians are having trouble getting behind everything the Republicans stand for," said Michael Dudley. 15% of white evangelicals, 18-29, no longer identify with the GOP. Older evangelicals are also questioning their traditio
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ETproductions1 year, 5 months ago
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I am truly delighted to see Evangelicals thinking more about what Jesus would do. Would he drive an SUV and live in a 5,000 square foot home? Would he feed the poor or talk about how they are just lazy? Would he vote for endless wars? Would he think the wealthy need all the tax breaks they can get so that they can soon own everything there is and enslave all those not in their tax bracket?
I am also glad to see some Democrats willing to talk with people of faith.
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Endoscopy1 year, 5 months ago
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True compasion first feeds the people and then helps them learn to become productive parts of society. What does the liberal agenda do? To me it JUST feeds them.
The old saying about giving a man a fish will feed him that day but teaching him how to fish will feed him forever.
What education for these people do liberals push.
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eddie1071 year, 5 months ago
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Sorry bud, but its the yuppie liberals who are driving the big SUV's.
No matter what happens, the rich will never pay for feeding the poor. It will be the people who work 14 hrs a day, 7 days a week who will be forced to cough up the money to pay for the 350 lb people's food and medical who find the thought of working for minimum wage insulting.
Yet while the working class has to pay a $50 re-hookup fee for the electricity because they couldnt afford to pay it on time. But at least we pay for it with money we earn with our own 2 hands.
I just finished paying for a 12 year old car, which I had to take a loan from a family member to pay off so that it wouldn't get re-poed. But still contributed $36,000 in taxes. I can guarantee that payed for hell of a lot more whoppers than I could have ever afforded.
Did Jesus promote stoning of people in his time? Or did he stand against it? When is the last time there was a stoning of a little girl in America?
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memestryker1 year, 5 months ago
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We know Jesus wouldn't necessarily feed the poor--he'd lead the able-bodied in getting to work to jumpstart the system, though. He was a firm believer in fishing lessons.
Greater than 80% of U.S. citizens report holding some religious belief, so Democrats have always been mostly "people of faith." And the majority of Southern Democrats have always been extremely religious.
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gamahuche1 year, 5 months ago
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"Students at a recent bipartisan political union meeting at SPU say there's something more going on with young Christians than disenchantment with McCain."
That's good news!
I just hope they're not in this in the hope that Obama will be bringing the charismatic Rev. W. back on board..
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Daylight1 year, 5 months ago
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If Jesus were alive today he wouldn't be voting for Republicans or Democrats, everybody would be voting for the party of God and the candidate would be Jesus and he wouldn't be killing people for oil in Iraq and for gas in Afghanistan and also he wouldn't be supporting the Zionists Israel to kill Palestinians on a daily basis.
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Endoscopy1 year, 5 months ago
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You forget what happened to Jesus. As the cornerstone of the temple was rejected by the builders of the second temple so Jesus was rejected by the people. People don't want to hear where they need to improve.
The people in Iraq and Afghanistan being killed are the terrorists. We would rather fight them there than here. They follow the Quran:
Surah 9:29 Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth [i.e. Islam] among the people of the Scripture [Jews and Christians], until they pay their Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
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Poulenc1 year, 5 months ago
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It was and is inevitable that a religion founded on the teachings of one man should devolve--due to the effects of its institutionalization, one of whose main objectives is to keep the franchise in operation--into something negatively dogmatic.
As long as the name of the game is the concentration of power, religious leaders will seek to ally themselves with the powerful, or those perceived to be, rather than the "weak."
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Endoscopy1 year, 5 months ago
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A person who dances can be good or bad at it. They can portray what is lovely or portray what is ugly. I can love the person but dislike the persons ability or what the person portrays. A Christian is required to separate the two. We are commanded to love all but to hate sin.
Personally my 8 year old daughter likes dance and she takes lessons. She will never make a good dancer. I love her and encourage her but I know that she is never going to be good at it. I see some others in the same boat who are much older and have been taking lessons for a long time. They do it for enjoyment of dancing. No one who is not a family member would pay to see these particular people dance. I love her so I endure her attempts at this.
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djrevelky1 year, 5 months ago
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Wow...it's true, some Christians really are idiots.
Since they have became disillusioned with the Republican Party because it doesn't represent their values they decide to vote for a snake-oil salesmen who is vehemently pro-abortion and pro-gay marriage?
The Republican Party did not sell out Evangelicals, the Republican Party never claimed to be "the Party of Jesus", evangelics claimed that. And so now, the Evangelicals sell out their own religion because they are disillusioned with the Republican Party. Smooth.
Let's vote for someone whose beliefs are anti-bible and who isn't offended by "God Damn America" simply because Mike Huckabee didn't get the nomination.
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Poulenc1 year, 5 months ago
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End, you're missing the point entirely by selective literalization.
Whether your daughter dances well or not is irrelevant. When she dances (or sings, or engages in any self-expressive activity), what she is doing is who she is and vice versa.
But practically speaking, hating people's sexuality, which qua that appetite HARMS NO ONE, creates a climate of...hate. And fear.
And encourages hiding: all the evils of the closet.
Etc.
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redLineRunner1 year, 5 months ago
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The "love the person, hate the sin" phrase is mostly used for things like theft, alcoholism, drugs, etc.
In the case of an addict, you can love the person and try to cure them from their addiction. The two are separate. You can get a person to see that theft etc is bad & get them to renounce it. "Cure" them, for lack of a better word.
The problem is, can you "cure" a person from homosexuality? Some believe that its a choice, and something a person can "turn away from". Others believe its part of the person and something you cant "turn away from".
People who apply the "hate the sin, not the sinner" to homosexuality usually believe that it is something that can be "cured" or "turned away from".
I dont believe its a choice, and I dont believe it can be cured. It can be repressed, but that would be like telling a person who loves to dance not to ever dance. (Wasnt that kind of the plot of Footloose?)
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mcarpentry1 year, 5 months ago
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poulenc, Christians do not hate ones sexuality, there is a difference between hating someone and hating sin. Sin is the downfall of all humanity, we all sin, even Christians sin. The difference is we as Christians are to try and stop engaging in sin. In regards to your analogy of " all the evils of the closet" do not push your immoral ideas (again sin)upon man and there is no evils of the closet.
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DiscipleofChrist1 year, 5 months ago
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The Bible tells Christians to "shun the very appearance of evil". Obama is evil. So the question becomes do we vote for, the lessor of 2 evils in the upcoming election? I gave you a biblical answer in my first sentence. If you call yourself a christian and you follow Jesus, and you live by God's Law- you cannot vote for anyone who is pro-abortion, pro gay marriage, pro ANYTHING AGAINST the Laws of God. We who are true disciples of Christ are standing up! We will continue to pray for the Christian who just wants to feel good.
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redLineRunner1 year, 5 months ago
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But didnt Jesus do the exact opposite? He didnt shun, or hate. He helped, he taught, he overcame. He didnt shun.
This always gets me when I hear someone say something like "dont talk to / dont work with / dont associate with" this or that person because they are not "saved" or they dont believe what I believe.
If I shun them, how can I spread the word of God? Even if its just leading by example (I dont advocate forcing faith on anyone) how can I do that if I seal myself away from people who believe differently from me?
So many "believers" seem to think the answer is to create this safe little "haven" away from anyone who is different. I would argue that is exactly opposite of what Jesus taught.
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Dionys1 year, 5 months ago
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"Obama is evil"
Right there is where your logic breaks down.
You're no disciple of Christ. Sorry. You can vote for whomever you please and remain a Christian. Your decisions are between you and God.
Please no one listen to this sad, angry little person who tells you they speak for God.
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 5 months ago
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DiscipleOfChrist: "ANYTHING AGAINST the Laws of God." -
But according to the laws of God, McCain is living in adultery ( since Jesus said anyone who divorces and marries again, is an adulterer ).
Obama is not.
Should we stone McCain?
Do you have the first stone ready now?
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Poulenc1 year, 5 months ago
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I might just add, redline, above, that there's no reason to believe that gayness is something you can turn away from unless you maintain that it's something some or all gay people SHOULD turn away from.
Would anyone suggest that people turn away from heterosexuality, even if it WAS a choice? No, not likely. That sexual position seems innate to them, the standard against which all sexual object-choice is measured.
But it's just one type of sexual expression, no matter how typical or usual.
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redLineRunner1 year, 5 months ago
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I always ask people I get into talks with about religion and homosexuality "what day or year in your life did you actively choose to be heterosexual?" Usually they answer "when I saw this girl I liked" and I say "but that wasnt a choice. You saw a girl who attracted you. You didnt think 'hmmn, there is a cute girl. Should I be attracted to her. Should I at this point declare myself heterosexual?'"
I have never thought of it as a choice - a conscious choice one way or the other. You are, and one day you just realize it.
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Poulenc1 year, 5 months ago
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Cushi, above, I appreciate your honesty.
May I say that people often have trouble with appetites they don't share.
The important thing to keep in mind, as you seem to, is that the world is a large place with many kinds of people in it--and though toleration is definitely a step up from antipathy, it also has its measure of condescension.
So one cares for the whole person and tries not to place him or her "beyond" ourselves--to see him or her as "the other."
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cushi1 year, 5 months ago
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For the most part, we are creatures of contradiction anyhow. On the one hand, I have problems with homosexuality from a biblical standpoint, but on the other hand, some of the best friends I have ever had I suspect were closet homosexuals or had those leanings, and they were better to me than a lot of quote unquote "straight and narrow" people!
It is difficult for me to understand a man being attracted to another man or a woman to a woman, but as you say, I love peas, but somebody else probably can't stand 'em!
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tkyrchncs1 year, 5 months ago
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I think every true Christian is always in a quandary about voting. Some emphasize one un-Christlike behavior, even to the point of making that one thing the only decisive point, but most of us consider a broad range of issues, and vote on the basis of the ones that seem most important to us. I always consider in voting what a politician wants to do about issues that involve all the citizens or our whole government (war, for example) a great deal more than regulating personal behavior (abortion, for example). We know how God expects us to behave as individuals, so the impact of His will on the decisions of how our nation should behave as a unit are the deciding ones in my vote.
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NoWayMan1 year, 5 months ago
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FTA: "If Jesus were alive, he wouldn't necessarily be voting Republican"
first off, he wasn't american, so he wouldn't be voting. a better question is how he would feel about whats going on with the palestinians.
but if he was american, and alive today, I doubt he would back the party that marketed, sold, then took us into a war of choice that has cost hundreds of thousands of lives (yes, to jesus, an iraqi life is just as valuable as an american life).
a better example of one of today's spiritual leaders is Rev. Kirbyjon Caldwell, George Bush's longtime siritual advisor who gave the benediction at both Bush inaugarations and intro'd Bush at the 2000 GOP convention.
Rev. Caldwell is endorsing Obama for President.
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Dionys1 year, 5 months ago
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"first off, he wasn't american, so he wouldn't be voting. a better question is how he would feel about whats going on with the palestinians. "
If he was an American, though, he'd have a really time getting to vote anyhow, what with requiring Real ID.
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