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Posted By ybdogsct 1 year, 6 months ago in News"If Jesus were alive, he wouldn't necessarily be voting Republican," seminar student Tyler Braun said. "Christians are having trouble getting behind everything the Republicans stand for," said Michael Dudley. 15% of white evangelicals, 18-29, no longer identify with the GOP. Older evangelicals are also questioning their traditio
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supercynic1 year, 6 months ago
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Funny stuff. I'm anti-anti-Poles. I kid you not, a lady was quoted the other day as supporting a candidate b/c he is "pro-anti-terrorism." First, what's with all the anti/pro crap that's taken hold the past few years. Second, I don't know of any candidates here in America (where this lady lives) who is pro-terrorism. There's a reason I call myself supercynic.
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mcarpentry1 year, 6 months ago
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tchef, Like all elections you will have a percentage of voters that will change sides. My In-laws have always voted Democrat but, not this election it will be for McCain. If you read the article it is only 5% of the voters going for BHO.
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ETproductions1 year, 6 months ago
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I am truly delighted to see Evangelicals thinking more about what Jesus would do. Would he drive an SUV and live in a 5,000 square foot home? Would he feed the poor or talk about how they are just lazy? Would he vote for endless wars? Would he think the wealthy need all the tax breaks they can get so that they can soon own everything there is and enslave all those not in their tax bracket?
I am also glad to see some Democrats willing to talk with people of faith.
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Endoscopy1 year, 6 months ago
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True compasion first feeds the people and then helps them learn to become productive parts of society. What does the liberal agenda do? To me it JUST feeds them.
The old saying about giving a man a fish will feed him that day but teaching him how to fish will feed him forever.
What education for these people do liberals push.
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Dionys1 year, 6 months ago
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" What education for these people do liberals push."
The 'liberals' have always paired basic food help with educational programs and assistance. The conservatives have regularly cut both food assistance and educational assistance.
One cannot focus on basic education when they're starving or trying to find food for their children. Try working or volunteering in a social-services sector (public or private -- Churches are great places as long as they're not proselytizing as a requirement for eating) to see what these peoples' lives are actually like instead of depending on FOX. Which has a tendency to say everything's okay despite many people starving in the US on a daily basis.
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ETproductions1 year, 6 months ago
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Public education itself is a liberal value. The current ConMen calling themselves conservatives favor "No Child Left Behind." That's really a program to slowly defund public education in favor of church and private schools, which will then simply be pushed out of the price reach of all but the elites. The Reagan Revolution and the Republican rule since has doubled the wealth held by the richest 1%. It is an agenda to suck all the wealth out of America and transfer it to a tiny handful of elites.
It included a real 10 trillion dollar tax INCREASE. It was just hidden as debt. The elites won't pay that debt. They are multinationals. They will simply leave. You and I and our children will be left in hock up ro our eyeballs.
Liberal is not a bad word. Neither is conservative. But ConMen are odious thieves, and the New RepugniCon party will die unless it purges them and gets back to the truly Republican values of the GOP.
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tanglang1 year, 6 months ago
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"I am truly delighted to see Evangelicals thinking more about what Jesus would do"
Jesus would support a man who voted against stopping doctors from aborting babies that have been delivered?
"Would he drive an SUV and live in a 5,000 square foot home?"
Obama and Gore do. Obama would also put Gore in his cabinet just to make sure that we can't.
"Would he think the wealthy need all the tax breaks"
Probably not, but he most certainly would think giving Everyone a tax break like this administration did is a good idea.
NCLB? Teddy K is a conservative?
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ETproductions1 year, 6 months ago
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I'm not so sure Jesus would compel women to bring children into the world when they know they are unable to take care of them and there is little or no chance they will get adopted. Jesus talked a lot about caring for the born. He never even mentioned caring for the unborn. That said, I agree that partial-birth abortion is rarely if ever medically necessary and is a point of contention the choice advocates should drop.
As to tax breaks, the middle class didn't get a tax break. They got a shell game. Under Bush, real income is down substantially for middle income workers for the first time outside a recession or depression.
The ONLY bracket that gained from Bush's cuts were the top earners. They made out like bandits. That's why wealth disparity is growing faster now than it did in the Republican managed build-up to the great depression.
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ETproductions1 year, 6 months ago
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Oh, and about that tax break you THINK you got, guess who is going to pay of the 10 trillion dollar debt it ran up. Not the wealthy. They are multinationals. When the jig is up, they will just move on. I plan to do the same. All you Bubbas who voted for this insanity and can't afford to get out of the consequences of your stupidity and greed will end up paying. You and your children, and theirs.
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tanglang1 year, 6 months ago
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If Jesus knew you in the womb he most certainly would not want you to be killed in their.
I received a tax break. A pretty good one at that. According to the schp bill from last year and you libs who defended it, I don't even make enough to be considered middle class.
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ETproductions1 year, 6 months ago
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You got a very small tax break that was almost immediately offset by other cost increases due to shifts in Federal spending priorities set by Bush. If you are telling the truth about your income, then you are either a tiny exception that proves the rule, or you are like almost all lower and middle income earners worse off today than you were 8 years ago.
And again, you haven't even STARTED to pay of the 10 trillion in debt your RepugniCon corporate welfare set has run up. That comes to $440,000 per tax paying household if we pay it off today. Got your checkbook handy, Mr. I-got-a-tax-break?
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eddie1071 year, 6 months ago
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Sorry bud, but its the yuppie liberals who are driving the big SUV's.
No matter what happens, the rich will never pay for feeding the poor. It will be the people who work 14 hrs a day, 7 days a week who will be forced to cough up the money to pay for the 350 lb people's food and medical who find the thought of working for minimum wage insulting.
Yet while the working class has to pay a $50 re-hookup fee for the electricity because they couldnt afford to pay it on time. But at least we pay for it with money we earn with our own 2 hands.
I just finished paying for a 12 year old car, which I had to take a loan from a family member to pay off so that it wouldn't get re-poed. But still contributed $36,000 in taxes. I can guarantee that payed for hell of a lot more whoppers than I could have ever afforded.
Did Jesus promote stoning of people in his time? Or did he stand against it? When is the last time there was a stoning of a little girl in America?
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Dionys1 year, 6 months ago
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"Did Jesus promote stoning of people in his time? Or did he stand against it? When is the last time there was a stoning of a little girl in America? "
He did not, thankfully. However you might want to consider the question: When was the last time there was a stoning of a woman in Israel by orthodox Jews? A country we support in so many ways.
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eddie1071 year, 6 months ago
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Good question. I don't think anyone here would dispute the fact that Jesus was a Jew wasn't he? So what about the Muslims who are fighting for the right to murder all the Jews? Are Jews famous for stoning people to death? Not that I am aware of.
Israel was built by Jews who were cast out of the world. They were given a piece of desert with nothing to work with, and when they built a home the Arabs decided they wanted it back. Even though they were welcomed and given more rights than they themselves had, the Arabs still wanted the Jews dead.
The only "Support" we give them, is trying to stop the Muslims from being the new Hitlers. But according to the liberals today, we have no right to interfere with the conquests of the Muslim world.
According to that, we had no right to stop Hitler either.
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Dionys1 year, 6 months ago
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Your logic is flawed from the beginning.
Try researching about the recent stoning of women in Israel by orthodox Jews who justified their stoning by saying these women who were wearing pants were ******s or breaking moral, orthodox Jewish codes. Perhaps they weren't stoned to death, but many of them have been seriously injured.
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 6 months ago
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Eddie107 said :"Israel was built by Jews who were cast out of the world. They were given a piece of desert with nothing to work with, and when they built a home the Arabs decided they wanted it back."
The palestinians have a rather diferent history of what happened.
It sounds more believable, too.
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tanglang1 year, 6 months ago
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To you maybe. However truth is on the side of the Jews.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09pmTh64vD8
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Dionys1 year, 6 months ago
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Honor killings are common to the theology and history of Islam, Christianity and Judaism. Since we don't live, as Americans, in an Honor and Shame based society/culture you won't find it enacted as often here in the current times. You will, however, find plenty of people who kill/beat/maim their partners in reaction to some perceived dishonor (such as a cheating spouse), and you will find plenty of Christians who would support killing homosexuals based on a Judaic holy code written by priests primarily FOR priests.
Any sane person would be against "honor" killings. Just as any sane person would be against killing hundreds of thousands of innocents.
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Mutainia1 year, 6 months ago
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When Buddhists fly planes into buildings after shouting, "Buddha is Great!", when Atheists carve off heads to, "Praise My Monkey Ancestors!", when Christians strap on bombs to retarded women to blow up Catholic children in pet stores, when Mormons protest violently a Teddy Bear named Joseph Smith and JWs threaten death on those who draw cartoons of Jehovah God, I'll raise my voice to such injustice as well.
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Dionys1 year, 6 months ago
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Read about Zen Buddhism and its involvement with WWII in "Zen at War." Read about Maoist China (atheist) in "Tibet Tibet" by Patrick French, or about current Chinese practice. Ask your average prison population filled with murderers, rapists and all sorts of lovely people if they're Christians.
It's pathetic that you'll only raise your voice to injustice when it suits your political agenda. You're no Christian.
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memestryker1 year, 6 months ago
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We know Jesus wouldn't necessarily feed the poor--he'd lead the able-bodied in getting to work to jumpstart the system, though. He was a firm believer in fishing lessons.
Greater than 80% of U.S. citizens report holding some religious belief, so Democrats have always been mostly "people of faith." And the majority of Southern Democrats have always been extremely religious.
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gamahuche1 year, 6 months ago
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"Students at a recent bipartisan political union meeting at SPU say there's something more going on with young Christians than disenchantment with McCain."
That's good news!
I just hope they're not in this in the hope that Obama will be bringing the charismatic Rev. W. back on board..
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Dionys1 year, 6 months ago
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McLame would keep his wife's money sources private, despite her obvious influence on his decisions. He'd also keep us in Iraq for quite some time. He'd also lend John Hagee an ear (such as Bush did), likely ending us up in Iran. Don't forget that he promised a continuance of Bush's policies.
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Daylight1 year, 6 months ago
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If Jesus were alive today he wouldn't be voting for Republicans or Democrats, everybody would be voting for the party of God and the candidate would be Jesus and he wouldn't be killing people for oil in Iraq and for gas in Afghanistan and also he wouldn't be supporting the Zionists Israel to kill Palestinians on a daily basis.
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Endoscopy1 year, 6 months ago
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You forget what happened to Jesus. As the cornerstone of the temple was rejected by the builders of the second temple so Jesus was rejected by the people. People don't want to hear where they need to improve.
The people in Iraq and Afghanistan being killed are the terrorists. We would rather fight them there than here. They follow the Quran:
Surah 9:29 Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth [i.e. Islam] among the people of the Scripture [Jews and Christians], until they pay their Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
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Endoscopy1 year, 6 months ago
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Surah 9:5 But when the forbidden months are past then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them and seize them beleaguer them and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful
Al-Tirmidhi HadithHadith 3834
Narrated byAl-Miqdam ibn Ma'dikarib
Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said, "The martyr receives six good things from Allah: he is forgiven at the first shedding of his blood; he is shown his abode in Paradise; he is preserved from the punishment in the grave; he is kept safe from the greatest terror; he has placed on his head the crown of honour, a ruby of which is better than the world and what it contains; he is married to seventy-two wives of the maidens with large dark eyes; and is made intercessor for seventy of his relatives."
Tirmidhi and Ibn Majah transmitted it.
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Endoscopy1 year, 6 months ago
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You also ignore that the Palestinians are sending rockets and suicide bombers into Israel on a daily basis following the Quran. The context of these verses and Hadith is not during a war but used to spread Islam faster and farther than any other Imperialist army has ever accomplished. Dying killing infidels is the only guarantee of Paradise for a Muslim.
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Dionys1 year, 6 months ago
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"You also ignore that the Palestinians are sending rockets and suicide bombers into Israel on a daily basis following the Quran. The context of these verses and Hadith is not during a war but used to spread Islam faster and farther than any other Imperialist army has ever accomplished. Dying killing infidels is the only guarantee of Paradise for a Muslim."
These are lies. In a worldwide study, less than 7% of Muslims supported 9/11. Those that supported it 'proved' their support with ideological rants. Those that said it was a horrors and immoral proved it through quoting the Qur'an against such actions. So it was the more religious Muslims that found such actions immoral.
Stop spreading lies. Try reading " Who Speaks for Islam " and educating yourself.
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Dionys1 year, 6 months ago
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"When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you may nations...then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them and show them no mercy." Deuteronomy 7:1-2, NIV
Exodus 32:28 "...Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor. And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men."
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Dionys1 year, 6 months ago
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Exodus 34:11 "...behold, I drive out before thee the Amorite, and the Canaanite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, and the Hivite, and the Jebusite. Take heed to thyself, lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land whither thou goest, lest it be for a snare in the midst of thee: But ye shall destroy their altars, break their images, and cut down their groves: For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God."
Deuteronomy 7:3-4 "Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son. For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly."
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Dionys1 year, 6 months ago
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Destroy the temples of other religions:
Deuteronomy 12:2-3 "Ye shall utterly destroy all the places, wherein the nations which ye shall possess served their gods, upon the high mountains, and upon the hills, and under every green tree: And ye shall overthrow their altars, and break their pillars, and burn their groves with fire; and ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names of them out of that place."
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Dionys1 year, 6 months ago
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Any person who performs religious rituals to other than Jehovah was to be executed:
Exodus 22:20 "He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed."
A call to God to destroy persons of other faiths:
Psalms 79:6: "Pour out thy wrath upon the heathen that have not known thee, and upon the kingdoms that have not called upon thy name."
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Dionys1 year, 6 months ago
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Instruction to murder any of your relatives or friends if they spread other religious faiths:
Deuteronomy 13:6-10 "If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die..."
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Dionys1 year, 6 months ago
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Murder persons of other faiths: King Asa destroyed idols of other faiths in Judah and assembled all the people together. They swore an oath promising to murder any persons of a different faith.
2 Chronicles 15:10-15 "So they gathered themselves together at Jerusalem...And they entered into a covenant to seek the LORD God of their fathers with all their heart and with all their soul; That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. [The LORD] was found of them: and the LORD gave them rest round about."
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Dionys1 year, 6 months ago
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All straight from the Bible. All could be used to 'justify' incredibly hateful acts because they're taken out of context both historically and out of context of the greater understanding of the Bible and in particular Christ's example. I don't believe a single one of them has validity in terms of guiding us on Christ's path, but they are (every single one of them) direct quotes from the Bible.
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Dionys1 year, 6 months ago
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Wow. So many people neg-ging the Bible. I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts they're the same people that quote the Qur'an out of context to justify their hatred and who pretend to be Christians yet haven't read their own wisdom text.
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Mutainia1 year, 6 months ago
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Hard to believe what you are saying, O Jihadist of the Pen who said he wasn't a Muslim, yet, talks like one. Being that you TALK like a Muslim, it makes me think you ARE one. And, if you ARE one, you sound like the knowledgeable type who knows a LOT of Islam...to the point where he can feel free to lie about Islam saying it's ok to lie to infidels (see Quran 3:28 and 16:106)...meaning, you can divert and lie whenever you feel like it. Because, in Islam, "war is deceit"...(see "dar al harb" in your web browser).
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Mutainia1 year, 6 months ago
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GOOD diversion and change of subject, Dionys. So, ARE you a Muslim, or AREN't you? You SAID you weren't one, but, is that true, or, taqqiya...meaning that you ARE a Muslim saying he ISN'T a Muslim for some hidden agenda in the service of Allah.
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eddie1071 year, 6 months ago
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That is exactly what the Muslim world hates about America, the spreading of knowledge, education will be the key factor on the war against terrorism. When the children of Islam are allowed to be educated about the world. Islam will be no more.
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Dionys1 year, 6 months ago
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Garbage. The "Muslim world" hates the injustice spread by America, the invasion of soverign nations and their children being killed time and time again during times of war or outside of war with bombs that read "made in the USA."
Many Muslims are well educated and certainly more educated than you are with your one-sided, dogmatic view of the world.
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Mutainia1 year, 6 months ago
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I take it, Dion, that Sunnis who set off bombs in Shiite market places (going so far as strapping on bombs to two retarded women to blow up pet stores), really aren't Muslims, just Americans DRESSED as Sunnis to make it look like Islam is of Satan? It must be the case since Muslims are totally silent on that, yet, will protest and demand the death of a teacher for a Teddy Bear named Muhammed.
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Dionys1 year, 6 months ago
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Who the media chooses to give the loudest voice almost never represents the majority of any section of the public.
As for their being Muslims, they are as much Muslims as are Christians who embrace hatred, division, war, destruction, lies, the gospel of wealth at the expense of the poor, et cetera are Christians.
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Mutainia1 year, 6 months ago
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Oh, I get it. A Muslim is a Muslim until he does something the infidel world perceives as evil...then you don't claim him AS a Muslim, even if he is on tape shouting "Allahuachbar!" And IF the infidel world points to the fact that he WAS a Muslim, you will, no doubt, say, "well, he went insane because he just couldn't take the evil oppression of the West or Israel", right? Those 45 British Islamic medical doctors who tried to set off bombs at the Scottish airports were just reading evil ENGLISH versions of the Quran, NOT the peaceful, tolerant classical ARABic Quran, true?
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Mutainia1 year, 6 months ago
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You SURE you aren't a Muslim, Dionys? You certainly resort to ad hominem when you can't come back to one's questions you find anti-Islamic. I mean, that is just SOOOO Islamic to not only attack one's character, but, Islamic to try to change the subject when confronted with something that seems to contradict Islam. Maybe I'll post the "12 Pillars of Islamic Debate" for people to read here so they can decide for themselves. We'll see.
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smithichie1 year, 6 months ago
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"the spreading of knowledge, education will be the key factor on the war against terrorism".
This sounds logical, however the facts don't seem to support this. Bin Laden has a degree in civil engineering and has studied economics, this didn't seem to make him give up Islam. According to some Israeli stats, 47% of suicide bombers are college educated, over 3/4 of all suicide bombers have at least a high school education.
http://www.israelinsider.com/channels/security/...
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tanglang1 year, 6 months ago
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TCHEF-"Oh yeah, we're doing a great job over there. (I'm talking about our leaders, not the troops. The troops are doing a great job"
What??? If you think that our being there is screwing up the region than it is not possible for you to also feel that our troops are doing a good job their.
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tchef1 year, 6 months ago
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I have a feeling that the "terrorists" are telling the people of Iraq that they are killing the "Occupiers". It's all in how you look at it. Al Queada was NOT in Iraq until we let them in. They are now stronger than pre 9/11 and are getting ready to add Pakistan (who has nuclear weapons) to their strongholds. Meanwhile by removing Saddam we have upset the balance of power in the Middle East and made Iran Stronger.
Oh yeah, we're doing a great job over there. (I'm talking about our leaders, not the troops. The troops are doing a great job.)
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Dionys1 year, 6 months ago
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"The people in Iraq and Afghanistan being killed are the terrorists."
Not according to most studies such as those at John Hopkins. Over 600,000 innocents dead.
As for your Qur'an quotes, they're quoted in English (low-context language) and out of the greater context of the Qur'an. One could find plenty (*plenty*) of out-of-context Bible quotes to show the same kind of thing and it would be just as invalid.
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Dionys1 year, 6 months ago
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Aww. Eddie is Mutainia. How cute.
Hitler was a monster. Millions of Jews, homosexuals, gypsies and political upstarts were murdered by that monster. It still doesn't give Israel the right to imprison Palestinians in a walled ghetto.
As for who was killed by whom, America is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocents. You can try and spin it however you want, but it will never be the truth.
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tanglang1 year, 6 months ago
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" It still doesn't give Israel the right to imprison Palestinians in a walled ghetto."
"As for who was killed by whom, America is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocents"
"Eddie is Mutainia. How cute"
Not one of these statements is true.
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Dionys1 year, 6 months ago
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"As for who was killed by whom, America is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocents"
"Not one of these statements is true."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancet_surveys_of_...
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Mutainia1 year, 6 months ago
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And YOU, Dionys, say you aren't a Muslim? You are doing a GREAT "yes, but" Muslim tactic, it seems. Hey, Eddie, I think I'll make you my friend. I've got a LOT of Islamic stuff you might be interested in. Check out "investigateislam" and "CloningIsFun" on YouTube for starters. Muslims were incredibly happy that they were able to pull "investigateislam" off of YouTube for a while, but, when YouTube saw that he WASN'T doing hate speech, hey, he's back on YouTube inSPITE of the power of Allah.
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Mutainia1 year, 6 months ago
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I take it, Dion, that surah 9:1-5 in the classical Arabic Quran is telling Muslims to KEEP oaths, to NOT dissolve treaties, to NOT rise up and kill pagans after the sacred months are passed? "Lie in wait" really means, "rest and relax"?
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memestryker1 year, 6 months ago
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Jesus was rejected in part because he pointed out the faults of The Establishment. That never goes well.
Isl*m is a 7th century engineered culture that is more backwards than the earlier engineered culture it seeks to replace. It's easy to cherry-pick ancient writings for wisdom, but you have to ignore a lot of really hate-filled teachings in those books to find it.
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Dionys1 year, 6 months ago
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"Isl*m is a 7th century engineered culture that is more backwards than the earlier engineered culture it seeks to replace. It's easy to cherry-pick ancient writings for wisdom, but you have to ignore a lot of really hate-filled teachings in those books to find it."
Garbage again. One could claim the very same for the Bible. There aren't a lot of hate-filled teachings in the Qur'an or accompanying commentaries and surely no more than any other collection of wisdom texts edited over the years to reflect particular theology/philosophy.
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Poulenc1 year, 6 months ago
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It was and is inevitable that a religion founded on the teachings of one man should devolve--due to the effects of its institutionalization, one of whose main objectives is to keep the franchise in operation--into something negatively dogmatic.
As long as the name of the game is the concentration of power, religious leaders will seek to ally themselves with the powerful, or those perceived to be, rather than the "weak."
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Endoscopy1 year, 6 months ago
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A person who dances can be good or bad at it. They can portray what is lovely or portray what is ugly. I can love the person but dislike the persons ability or what the person portrays. A Christian is required to separate the two. We are commanded to love all but to hate sin.
Personally my 8 year old daughter likes dance and she takes lessons. She will never make a good dancer. I love her and encourage her but I know that she is never going to be good at it. I see some others in the same boat who are much older and have been taking lessons for a long time. They do it for enjoyment of dancing. No one who is not a family member would pay to see these particular people dance. I love her so I endure her attempts at this.
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cushi1 year, 6 months ago
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Comparing loving a bad dancer who loves to dance to, say, someone who's sexual preference is the same sex, is like comparing apples to oranges! The two have very, very little in common, except that the apple and orange are both fruit and the dancer and the homosexual are both people.
Homosexuality carries a stigma with that in no way pertains to dancing. Lets be honest here. What we are commanded to do and what we do are two different things. Truthfully, we are not always obedient in minor things, much less in major issues that challenge us.
I confess that I do not like homosexuality, in general. I am repulsed by that life style. That is honest. Nevertheless,I would never do harm in any way to anyone because of their sexual orientation, and that is also honest. I have had friends who I suspected were homosexual, though the matter was not discussed between us, and I cared for them regardless. That, too, is honest.
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djrevelky1 year, 6 months ago
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Wow...it's true, some Christians really are idiots.
Since they have became disillusioned with the Republican Party because it doesn't represent their values they decide to vote for a snake-oil salesmen who is vehemently pro-abortion and pro-gay marriage?
The Republican Party did not sell out Evangelicals, the Republican Party never claimed to be "the Party of Jesus", evangelics claimed that. And so now, the Evangelicals sell out their own religion because they are disillusioned with the Republican Party. Smooth.
Let's vote for someone whose beliefs are anti-bible and who isn't offended by "God Damn America" simply because Mike Huckabee didn't get the nomination.
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Poulenc1 year, 6 months ago
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End, you're missing the point entirely by selective literalization.
Whether your daughter dances well or not is irrelevant. When she dances (or sings, or engages in any self-expressive activity), what she is doing is who she is and vice versa.
But practically speaking, hating people's sexuality, which qua that appetite HARMS NO ONE, creates a climate of...hate. And fear.
And encourages hiding: all the evils of the closet.
Etc.
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redLineRunner1 year, 6 months ago
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The "love the person, hate the sin" phrase is mostly used for things like theft, alcoholism, drugs, etc.
In the case of an addict, you can love the person and try to cure them from their addiction. The two are separate. You can get a person to see that theft etc is bad & get them to renounce it. "Cure" them, for lack of a better word.
The problem is, can you "cure" a person from homosexuality? Some believe that its a choice, and something a person can "turn away from". Others believe its part of the person and something you cant "turn away from".
People who apply the "hate the sin, not the sinner" to homosexuality usually believe that it is something that can be "cured" or "turned away from".
I dont believe its a choice, and I dont believe it can be cured. It can be repressed, but that would be like telling a person who loves to dance not to ever dance. (Wasnt that kind of the plot of Footloose?)
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