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Endoscopy1 year, 7 months ago
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The problem is not what the Republican stand for but what the liberals say the Republicans stand for. Your post says it. You say hate but that is not reality but only your view of it.
Conservatives that are Christians will view homosexuality through the Bible. God calls the actions an abomination. We are to love the person but hate the sin. Therefore you twist it into just hate.
Again the view of people breaking the law and being in the US illegally is wrong. They should conform to the law and leave. Again you twist this into hatred for illegal and legal immigrants.
Your hatred of conservative and family values is the problem. No constructive exchange of ideas just vitriol.
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Dionys1 year, 7 months ago
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"Again the view of people breaking the law and being in the US illegally is wrong. They should conform to the law and leave. Again you twist this into hatred for illegal and legal immigrants. "
Seeing as how there are a great deal of Catholic priests that don't see it this way, I think I'll tend to honor their view of what Christ would do over that of the Repugnant Con supporters who go out into the deserts of Texas with guns and beer.
"Your hatred of conservative and family values is the problem."
Hatred is not a family value. Neither is spewing hatred or discrimination against a group of people, especially the marginalized. Here is everything Jesus said against homosexuality: "."
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Dionys1 year, 7 months ago
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"Conservatives that are Christians will view homosexuality through the Bible. God calls the actions an abomination. We are to love the person but hate the sin."
Leviticus, a set of Law Code as laid out by the Priestly writers, calls the actions an abomination. http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibh.htm
You will notice that the same people who use this to justify an anti-homosexual stance almost never follow any other portions of Leviticus (such as planting two seeds in one plot, wearing cloth of two kinds of 'threads', cutting their hair). It's hypocracy to rant and rave about one thing and completely ignore the rest.
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Dionys1 year, 7 months ago
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If conservatives took the example of Christ as guide rather than the OT, Jewish Law Codes as guide they might find themselves to actually be Christians. Then again they'd have to give up their gospel of greed (also against the word and examples of Christ and early Christians) along with their gospels of hatred and warfare (again against the example and words of Christ and the early Christians).
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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You say it's hypocracy to rant and rave about things such as homosexuality while ignoing such things as planting seeds and wearing two seperate materials, but I tell you that it is your ignorance of the Bible that makes you feel that way.
What is the punishment for homosexuality according to Leviticus?
What is the punishment for wearing two separate fabrics?
If you knew these answers, you would understand why your argument is an ignorant one.
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Dionys1 year, 7 months ago
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It depends on if you're depending on Lev 18 or 20 for your death sentence and your reading of the text. If 20, then you have to apply the same to anyone who insults their father/mother (Leviticus 20:9:"If anyone insults his father or his mother, he shall be put to death, he has insulted his father and his mother -- his bloodguilt is upon him" JPS Pentateuch).
However according to Leviticus 20:13 there is no punishment for homosexuality. There is only punishment according to Leviticus for a single act of homosexuals, a particular form (if you look at the original Hebrew you will understand -- I can't post specifics without them being starred out) of a particular act of homosexuality.
Being homosexual and engaging in homosexual acts besides that specific one mentioned in Leviticus 20:13 is absolutely fine.
So to answer your first question: the punishment for homosexuality according to Leviticus is nonexistant.
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Dionys1 year, 7 months ago
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Just to point out some other interesting Leviticus facts:
Lev 18:19 requires the same penalty for men who have relations with their wives during their period as for men who have relations with men. Lev 18:20 requires the same penalty for men who have relations with their neighbour's wife.
Et Cetera.
When you ridiculous people start calling down the same penalties and rabid hatred for people who commit those same violations of the purity codes maybe you'll get someone to listen to your hate-filled words regarding homosexuality. Which thankfully isn't against the Bible's teachings. Nor Christ's.
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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Here is the fatal flaws in your argument. Leviticus 18 gives a list of the Lords commandments to the Jews and at the end of the list, gives the punishment for all of the crimes given in Leviticus 18.
The punishment: "For whosoever commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people.
This covers crimes such as lying with an adulterer, incest, sex during the 'period', taking the Lords name for profane reasons and lying with animals. It does not say the punishment is death as it does with homosexuality.
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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Also, you failed to answer my question so I will do so for you.
Leviticus 20:13 says that if a man were to lie with a man as he does a woman than they have both commited an abomination and they surely must be put to death. Combined with the fact that Leviticus also states that GOd said these punishments also apply to those who have commited the crimes in their soul, I would say you are again incorrect.
Furthermore, wearing two fabics does not carry a punishment. It just means that you are temporarily unclean.
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Dionys1 year, 7 months ago
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"Leviticus 20:13 says that if a man were to lie with a man as he does a woman than they have both commited an abomination and they surely must be put to death."
This is what it says in English. The Hebrew is much more clear as to what 'action' is specifically barred.
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Shadowolf1 year, 7 months ago
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(Matthew 22:...)
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
(Where in this can be read you can hate gays???)
(Or,for that matter...anybody else???)
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obiefrommuskogee1 year, 7 months ago
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For Christians, the new testament is what is relevant.
God's word is the new testament in the actions of Jesus-- The WORD (God's word) was made flesh. Jesus preached tolerance and acted with tolerance. That is the word of God.
The old hellfire and brimstone in the Old Testament is not relevant, except as historical curiosity. Why do you think Jesus came anyway? To refute what was in the Old Testament.
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cushi1 year, 7 months ago
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I am a Christian, and I suscribe to the message that homosexuality is not acceptable in the sight of God. However, many republicans DO NOT love the person and hate the sin! They hate both, and make no bones about it: Example - the insinuation that NO was suffering judgment because of the gay community there. Fanatics who would kill a doctor in an abortion clinic because "he" had no regard for life (the pot calling the kettle black). Meanwhile, blind eyes and deaf ears are turned toward a cult like FLDS, which has, until now, been allowed to operate "openly in secret," without any threat of consequences. The silence of the religious conservatives on that issue gave overwhelming consent to organizations like that to live long and prosper. Same with the catholic church and its attitude toward child molesting and homosexual priests...silent approval and business as usual.
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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" However, many republicans DO NOT love the person and hate the sin! They hate both, and make no bones about it: Example - the insinuation that NO was suffering judgment because of the gay community there."
Many republicans? Is not your way of thinking a sin? Are you not judging an entire political party by the words/actions of a few nutcases?
For that matter, how do you know that they hate the person and the sin? It would appear that since they are praying for God to heal them instead of stoning them to death that they do not hate them. Would you not agree?
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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Many implies a large number. Yet you cannot prove any number s using many is being judgemental. Do you not think that many democrats feel the same way? Byrd is a life long democrat and was a klansman for how long? They did in fact hte the person.
Now, please address my last point. I am interested to hear your take.
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supercynic1 year, 7 months ago
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Respectfully, you need to define what you mean by "the Bible." After all, it's 66 books written over a couple thousand years. Leviticus speaks against homosexuality, but other parts of Leviticus speak out against multi-clothed robes, so I hope you're not wearing a poly-cotton blend shirt right now. In the New Testament, Paul has been translated to speak against it, but he's also been translated to speak against a woman's right to be a leader in church and other principles that, if true, would make him a misogynist, which I don't think he was, given how he referred to Lydia and other women as leaders in their respective churches.
Jesus, who base my beliefs on, says nothing about homosexuality. I see nothing of familial value in categorically denouncing homosexuality. I'm a happily married heterosexual with 2 children -- the thought of gay marriage becoming legal has not once made me want to leave my wife, and I would love my daughters no less if they were gay.
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