Did Israel Drive Out the Arabs 60 Years Ago? »
Posted By SonOfTheMask 1 year, 7 months ago in NewsIsrael is about to celebrate its 60th birthday, but alone among the nations of the world, its legitimacy and right to exist continue to be considered matters of debate.
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SonOfTheMask1 year, 7 months ago
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FTA: "So even now, even after triumphing over so much adversity in its all too eventful first 60 years, Israel is not considered a normal country. The campaign of delegitimization launched by its enemies has succeeded to a tremendous degree in persuading ordinary people that Israel was conceived in sin. That sin was the dispossession of the Palestinians, the rightful inhabitants of the land now called Israel. Second only to the claim that Iran seeks nuclear power for peaceful purposes, this is the most sinister lie in circulation."
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TonyByron1 year, 7 months ago
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"What the Iranians are doing is they're right. At least they are signatories to the nuclear nonproliferation treaty, unlike the zionist entity"
Funny, Abu. Sure they signed it. And then they were caught by the UN lying about their program over nearly 20 years.
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Wolfie20071 year, 7 months ago
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"The Jews fled Arab nations because of persecution. Why did the Arabs flee the new Jewish state? (Note, many remained and became citizens of Israel.) Writing in the most recent issue of Commentary, Efraim Karsh reviews some of the new evidence that has come to light about the events of 1948. Not only did the Jews not force the Arabs out of their homes, they made many vain efforts to persuade them to stay put. The 6,000 Arabs of Tiberias, in a typical example, were forced to leave by their own leaders, over strenuous objections from Jewish leaders."
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hyperbola1 year, 7 months ago
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The lead article is just more zionist propaganda craappp that honest isrealis (like this one) don't even believe, but which can be fed to ignorant americans by israel-first traitors.
Oren Ben-Dor: Who are the real terrorists in the Middle East?
.. What exactly is being defended by the violence in Gaza and Lebanon? Is it the citizens of Israel or the nature of the Israeli state? I suggest the latter. Israel's statehood is based on an unjust ideology which causes indignity and suffering for those who are classified as non-Jewish by either a religious or ethnic test. To hide this primordial immorality, Israel fosters an image of victimhood. Provoking violence, consciously or unconsciously, against which one must defend oneself is a key feature of the victim-mentality. By perpetuating such a tragic cycle, Israel is a terrorist state like no other.
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hyperbola1 year, 7 months ago
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Isreal is no firend or ally of america. They are the biggest albatross around our neck and cost us a fortune in both lives and money to continue their crimes against humanity.
Don't Blame The Inmates Of The Israeli Lunatic Asylum
Do No Evil â;; Israeli and other Jewish opponents of Zionism's colonial enterprise have described Israel as a "fascist" state. More appropriate terminology is lunatic asylum. Don't blame the inmates (Jewish citizens) for what's happening. They are products of Zionist brainwashing. Blame the wardens and management of the asylum (Israel's military and political leaders)
http://donoevil.propeller.com/story/2008/03/07/...
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Mutainia1 year, 7 months ago
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walden31 year, 7 months ago
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engineer1 year, 7 months ago
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vor1 year, 7 months ago
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We need to be concerned first and foremost with the interests of the United States of America. All of this fawning over Israel has gotten us nothing but trouble. They are the most secretive state in the world. Even our intelligence agencies do not know their specific nuclear capabilities.
Mona Charen has always been out of touch with reality and this article continues to prove that. To treat Israel as a priviledged child does them no good. Acknowledge that they have repeatedly ignored UN resolutions. Acknowledge that they have treated the Palestinians terribly. Acknowledge the truth. Do not let them slide because the are the "Chosen People". Find me any historical proof of the Exodus and then we will give that consideration.
The Holocaust was a horrible event but so have been all of the genocides of other peoples that have occured on this Earth. We should not be creating our foreign policy based on the interests of another nation.
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DropkickaLib1 year, 7 months ago
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walden31 year, 7 months ago
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I don't think that anyone is saying we have to treat Israel any more favorably than any other country. You are the only one who brought up "Chosen People."
How about human rights in Saudi Arabia, China, Somalia?
Do you believe in the right of Israel to exist?
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Redneck1 year, 7 months ago
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We have benefitted in many ways because of our association with Israel. They have developed tech gadgets and software that aid us today. AND God said, "I will curse those who curse you (Israel) and I will bless those who bless you." One can trace this out in history. Spain is a third rate power now. Why? She killed a million Jews during the Spanish Inquisition! Ceased to be a power not long after. Britian has suffered a similar fate since 1948.
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Georgia501 year, 7 months ago
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In numerous cases today and in history wherein a nation's atrocities, real or perceived, are at issue, the common response is that the atrocities, regardless of the degree of horror, in no way nullifies the legitimate sovereignty of a state. The sole exception is Israel, where it's existence is the very first item up for discussion whenever its atrocities, real or perceived, are enumerated.
I don't care why this is; I know only that such a reaction will have neither my buy-in nor the support of reasonable, civilized people.
Israel now, Israel forever. Period.
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Shadowolf1 year, 7 months ago
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Georgia;
I ABSOLUTLY believe Israel has the right to exist...I do NOT believe that Israel has the right to get away with their bullying their neighbors, and spying on us, not to mention skewing our own policies...it's like the neighborhood bully with the REALLY big cousin...
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Charlson1 year, 7 months ago
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I grew up reading Leon Uris and his novels depicting the lives of Jews. He's one of my favorite authors and many of my views about Israel was formed by his literary depictions with a historical flavor. I'm attracted to the plight of the underdog in almost any struggle because I identify with those who are persecuted and persevere. Among overwhelming odds the jews in Palestine created their state and flourished. But it hasn't always been kosher, as all nations have committed atrocious acts, so too has Israel. But their transgressions are pale compared to the Arab States. So with all of their baggage, they still deserve the right to exist in peace. Happy birthday Israel and may you have many more.
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Dionys1 year, 7 months ago
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" But their transgressions are pale compared to the Arab States."
How can this be if the number of Arabs that die for every Israeli are multiples? How can this be when Israel constantly violates its borders and bombs other countries into oblivion, rolls tanks over children or has no problem crossing a border to raid someone while 'accidentally' killing their 14 year old daughter in the process.
The government (not the people)is just as guilty of atrocities as the Arab states and just as culpable.
The problem is that every time someone mentions *both* sides of the issue (or multiple sides of the issue), they're branded an anti-semite and the discussion terminates.
One should be able to criticize all sides of a problem so that all sides can be addressed to move people closer to peace.
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Bkumm1 year, 7 months ago
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I'll only add a little to this discussion by asking a couple of questions:
1. Why do we keep asking the question of whether or not Israel has a "right to exist"? Now, I know the short, knee-jerk answer, but think about it more deeply. Israel is, much like Iraq, a country made up out of whole cloth. It is a country forcibly made real against the wishes of much of its population at the time. So, does it have the right to exist? It's a stupid question. Israel exists and as long as the iron fist (and open wallet) of the U.S. stands behind it, it will exist.
2. I have yet to understand why so many Christians get all goopy over Israel. It's just a country. It's not even that nice of a country to it's neighbors. It bombs them and assassinates their leaders if they don't like them. They're kinda terroristic. But, because it's Israel the emotion peaks and we don't care about the actions. Hypocrisy.
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tkyrchncs1 year, 7 months ago
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I think the "right to exist" debate is just silly. Every country's existence is by its own might, the might of its friends, and the indulgence of its enemies. This is true for all nations, always has been, and always will be, and Israel is no exception.
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taciturnman1 year, 7 months ago
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In numerous cases today and in history wherein a nation's atrocities, real or perceived, are at issue, the common response is that the atrocities, regardless of the degree of horror, in no way nullifies the legitimate sovereignty of a state. http://www.youtube.com/user/MBedroomFurniture The sole exception is Israel, where it's existence is the very first item up for discussion whenever its atrocities, real or perceived, are enumerated.
I don't care why this is; I know only that such a reaction will have neither my buy-in nor the support of reasonable, civilized people.
Israel now, Israel forever. Period.
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yendisnivak1 year, 7 months ago
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Poor, pathetic people, those Palestinians! Losers of the world, along with so many other arab countries. Their leaders(?) make one poor decision after another and then blame someone else for their problems. Just imagine what a wonderful area the middle east could be if those people could become a part of this century and start thinking rationally. What possible gain does Israel get from occupying these dysfunctional peoples' lands? They are nothing but trouble to Israel and the rest of the region.
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hyperbola1 year, 7 months ago
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This article is nothing more than the usual zionist propaganda craaappp to cover up their crimes against humanity. Due to censorship in the american media, perhaps there are still some americans ignorant enough to fall for such lies, but the world knows better. Here is an honest israeli professor:
The ethnic cleansing of Palestine
by Ilan Pappe
Univeristy of Haifa
The book shows that in 1948, the Zionist movement waged a war against the Palestinain people in order to implement its long term plans of ethnic cleansing. The Arab world tried to prevent this cleansing, but was too fragmented, self-centered and ineffective to stop the uprooting of half of Palestine's native population, the destruction of half of its villages and towns and the killing of thousands of its people.
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hyperbola1 year, 7 months ago
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And since that ethnic cleansing was successfully implemented in almost 80% of Palestine without any global or regional repercussions - the ethnic cleansing policy continues ever since 1967 in the remaining 20% of the country. Creating a Jewish state in historical Palestine cleansed of Palestinians is still the ideolgoical infrastructure on which the state of Israel is based....
...The book uses the accepted scholarly definition of Ethnic Cleansing to show its academic as well legal applicability to the case of Palestine and argues that since in the eyes of the world - including the State Department and the UN - ethnic cleansing is a crime against humanity, this how we should view the Israeli actions in the past and ISrael's policies in the present....
http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/3041
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hyperbola1 year, 7 months ago
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And, of course, honest isrealisd tell us openly that americans are still being suckered into continuing support of the zionist crimes against humanity.
The Mega Prison of Palestine
... Israel is pursuing a genocidal policy against the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, while continuing the ethnic cleansing of the West Bank...
... the West Bank is made of small ghettos and the one in Gaza is a huge mega ghetto of its own. There is another difference: the Gaza Strip is now, in the twisted perception of the Israelis, the ward where the "most dangerous inmates" are kept. The West Bank, on the other hand, is still run as a huge complex of open air prisons in the form of normal human habitations such as a village or a town interconnected and supervised by a prison authority of immense military and violent power....
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hyperbola1 year, 7 months ago
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... the mega prison system in the meantime continues unabated and the punitive measures of its authority are claiming the lives of many more children, women and men in the Gaza Strip.
As always it is important to be reminded that the west can put an end to this unprecedented inhumanity and criminality, tomorrow.... We can only pray it will not be too late for the victims of this horrific Zionist invention: the mega prison of Palestine.
http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/16799
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hyperbola1 year, 7 months ago
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Why do so many pseudo-americans support racist policies that are clearly in violation of the fundamental principles of american democracy? Could it be that we have too many israel-first zionist traitors in our government, politics and media. We should start supporting honest moral israelis (like this one) instead of the right-wing racists.
Why Israel Has No "Right to Exist" as a Jewish State
Religion â;; The Annapolis meeting is a con. We should say loud and clear that Israel has no right to exist as a Jewish state. To claim such a right to be racist must come from a being whose victim's face must hide very dark primordial aggression and hatred of all others.
http://religion.propeller.com/story/2007/11/21/...
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Sandmn1 year, 7 months ago
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Wow. I stop by, after all this time and I find the same arguments. Hyperbola, you will never convince these Israel loving cowards to admit their lies and propaganda's. Some of the world knows but most don't care, enough. At least, not yet. Wait until the Zionist machine comes knocking at their doors with bulldozers and bullets, then it may be a different story. I believe the only chance for middle peace, is the same chance that has existed all along. That is to simply destroy Israel. Lock, stock and yarmulke. Sadly, that would also end the innocent Jewish population, but it is after all, their corrupted politics that is destroying the middle east and our nation with it. F" em all. Dancing with you bunch of pansies is useless. This blog and all like it should be shut down, then watch the cockroaches run. You really want to help? Grab a gun and defend our nation from the onslaught of Zionist controllers. So long ya sissies
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