Voter ID Battle Shifts to Proof of Citizenship »
Posted By TechnologyExpert 1 year, 6 months ago in NewsThe battle over voting rights will expand this week as lawmakers in Missouri are expected to support a proposed constitutional amendment to enable election officials to require proof of citizenship from anyone registering to vote.
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namecritic1 year, 6 months ago
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chevydog1 year, 5 months ago
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BuffaloJ1 year, 5 months ago
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"Voting is a right of citizens and proof of citizenship is not asking too much."
Yes it is! This is complete BS! I was born here, I have a Social Security card and a drivers license. I already have to register to vote. There is no reason they cannot tie the voting system in with the Social Scurity and drivers license system so not only would I not have to prove I am a citizen in order to vote but I would not have to go thru the register to vote cr*p.
I have more than enough proof in my wallet to prove I am who I say I am. I sure as heck should not have to jump thru more hoops to present more proof when the proof I can already provide is obviously more than adequate.
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Dionys1 year, 5 months ago
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There are plenty of examples where a "Real ID" has been required and kept US Citizens from voting. The most recent example was a large group of Nuns who came to Notre Dame to vote. The people at the voting station even knew their fellow nuns and their history. Some had expired passports (which were not allowed), but as most were in their 80's and 90's, did not drive and did not travel overseas they didn't have a valid (enough) ID.
The cost of a passport hovers around $80, which is quite a bit of money for those living on a fixed budget, not to mention for people who may be starving. A state ID may be cheaper, but for many (including those nuns) it represents a real obstacle in terms of both money and actually getting to a place to have their ID made and picture taken.
If people are going to require ID, then the required form of ID absolutely *has* to be free of charge, otherwise it's the same as a poll tax.
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MilesAway1 year, 5 months ago
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State Representative Stanley Cox, a Republican from Sedalia and the sponsor of the amendment, said: "The requirements we have right now are totally inadequate," Mr. Cox said. "You can present a utility bill, and that doesn't prove anything. I could sit here with my nice photocopier and create a thousand utility bills with different names on them."
What a stupid comment.
WHAT A STUPID COMMENT! If an old lady (from Missouri) has not proof of citizenship, but she speak as an AMERICAN or if some strange looking person try to vote and his English is as my Chinese, then, of cause, ASK FOR PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP!!!
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Rayman1 year, 5 months ago
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I couldn't agree more. Proof of citizenship must be a requirement to all American voters. I am sure a birth certificate could be falsified by illegals to cast their votes. A passport could also be accepted in lieu of citizenship since it is a legal proof of one's nationality. I don't see how the most powerful and technologically advanced nation on earth cannot solve this idiotic 'Voter ID Issue'. Whatever happened to 'common sense'?
If one decides to vote, two questions ought to be asked:
1. do you have proof of US Citizenship?
2. do you have a US passport?
That should solve this ridiculous battle over voter ID!!!
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nostalgia1 year, 5 months ago
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Teagen1 year, 5 months ago
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In Wisconsin, it would change leadership in many cases. There have been over 5000 charges of voter fraud. Addresses that don't exist, people dead still voting and the like. They've actually video taped someone buying votes with smokes. There have been cases of chartered buses from Chicago dropping off people in Milwaukee to vote. They even had "their" name written on pieces of paper so they could remember their name. Only in liberal Milwaukee and Madison.
PC has nothing to do with it here, it's how elections are stolen. The real voter fraud showed up in the 2000 election. There were enough questionable ballots that Gore's victory might have been overturned had they pushed the issue.
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BuffaloJ1 year, 5 months ago
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hard to believe it would not be controversial?
I should not have to jump thru more hoops to prove I am a citizen when I already have a drivers license and social security card.
If this goes thru, the end result is that many more American citizens will be denied the right to vote. I have never heard of some big problem with "illegals" tricking the system so they can vote so why should I have to go thru more work just to be able to vote in my own country??? And if I don't jump thru the new hoops that are meant to fix a problem that does nto exist I would not get to vote. This is complete BS.
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BB641 year, 5 months ago
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"I've to jump thru more hoops to prove I am a citizen when I already have a drivers license and social security card."
Well then don't live in Wisconsin because neither is an ID accepted by Homeland Security. First, the SS card states on the front or back that it cannot and should not be used as an ID alone, you need another form of ID.
As to the driver's license, our DNC Governor "Diamond Jim" Doyle, raided the coffers again to bring our drivers licenses up to the Fed's standards. So it's not a legal ID for anything other than driving. He even had them remove the question regarding citizenship that was standard for years. He also forbid law enforcement to hold suspected illegal aliens for ICE if they're arrested. Doyle is your typical communist now in the DNC. Anything for the win even if it includes lying, cheating and fraud.
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tkyrchncs1 year, 5 months ago
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Nostalgia: It is difficult for me to imagine showing an id in a bank where I have done business for 45 yrs. It is difficult to imagine that anyone would question my citizenship.
What you want is another example of bureaucracy run amok.
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Nixie1 year, 5 months ago
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You HAVE to be a US citizen to vote, I don't know why anyone would have a problem proving it. Where I vote, you already have to show your ID when you go in, they check against the list of registered voters and cross your name off the list. Easy as pie.
1. You must be 18 to vote.
2. You must have a driver's license or state ID once you are 18.
3. You have to be a US citizen to get a driver's license or state ID.
So everyone who wants to vote should already have an ID. I don't know why there is any discussion. If you have nothing to hide, then don't worry about it. The people objecting are historically notorious for soliciting illegal votes, including the dead. What a shock that they oppose anyone having to prove they are entitled to a vote. Some of their constituents would first have to prove they had a pulse!
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chevydog1 year, 5 months ago
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Nixie -- Don't think that one generally has to be a US citizen to get a drivers license; only a resident of the state that one is requesting the license from.
It strikes me that this is wide open to abuse. The little reminder card they send me about elections uses a different form of my name than I normally use--different than the one on my Social Security card as well as on other ID. Two years ago I was hassled by some guy at the polls because of this; he finally let me vote, but I'm not sure what recourse I would have had if he hadn't. I am US-born and have been voting for 40 years.
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Teagen1 year, 5 months ago
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That isn't the case in every state, I wish it were. When I lived in Wisconsin, there was a huge amount of voter fraud that should have been prosecuted. It wasn't because it was DNC based dirty tricks and the DA was a Dem. Not to claim all Dems are corrupt but in Wisconsin, we see votes of the homeless purchased for $5.00 or a pack of smokes. We've seen Bingo played in nursing homes where if the resident marked the DNC candidate on the absentee ballot, they won a prize. One of the few cases that actually went to court was where 30 vehicles leased to the GOP had their tires slashed by the son of Gwen Moore, Congress woman for Wisconsin's 4th district. If it wasn't for the Feds, it would have never gone to court.
On the topic of voter ID, there have been hundreds of claims and charges that disappeared. Again it's the DA, even when the Milwaukee PD published their report showing several hundred cases of voter fraud. An ID with a thumb print would solve this.
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BB641 year, 5 months ago
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Nixie, you're from a GOP controlled state probably. In Wisconsin, the driver's license isn't valid as far as Homeland is concerned. As to proving citizenship, Diamond Jim, our governor prevented the question from being asked. There are an estimated 50,000 illegal aliens with Wisconsin drivers licenses. Some of which might actually be able to legally drive, but I wouldn't count on it. It was a huge boost to his election campaign both in illegals voting for him and donating to his campaign. My sister worked the polling place and got into trouble for posting two signs. One warned people on parole not to vote, it's illegal here. The other advised it was illegal for illegal aliens to vote. The DNC lawyers filed a formal complaint and had to remove them both.
The DNC is not the party it once was. Then again with McCain, neither is the GOP.
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automan9091 year, 5 months ago
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The only ones objecting to ID to vote are the Democrats.
They always try to do underhanded things at the poles. and no ID let's the door open for more of it.
Like not letting our Military's votes count, and not letting the folks in Michigan and Florida's votes count, multiple recounts, and their stupid Delegate/Super delegate system.
No ID let's the door open for more of it.
And they wonder why they can't win an election?
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Dionys1 year, 5 months ago
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They have more than valid concerns over ID requirements being the equivalent of a poll tax. If ID is to be required, then it absolutely has to be given free of charge to anyone who wants to vote. Otherwise you put up an obstacle to American citizens who want to vote. The required documentation to prove you are a citizen (such as birth certificates, et cetera) also must be provided free of charge. Anything else is patently unfair and an obvious ploy to exclude those who tend to vote democratic.
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joeblowe1 year, 5 months ago
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While I am strongly against having to "show your papers" for any ordinary daily activity, I think that - at this point in time, and considering the HUGE population of illegal invaders - it might well be prudent to ask for some proof of citizenship prior to allowing someone to vote. I'm concerned that if we DON'T, the illegal invaders will simply take over the country from the inside, using our own lax attitude against us. It's a tough call.
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Howtogo1 year, 5 months ago
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Voter fraud is a real issue. For those that don't think it is, they have their heads in the sand or they have ulterior motives for allowing an illegal vote to be accepted. The cost is not an issue to get a legal ID. Georgia will pay for it if the person(s) can show they can't afford it. That could easily be instated everywhere. If born outside the US and become a citizen you have the naturalization papers, if parents are citizens & you are born outside the US you are automatically a citizen unless you don't want to give-up the other countries citizenship.
No, the real issue is the mass of "illegal immigrants" that have invaded the US and want to vote here. The political parties in this country don't have the will to do what is right and resolve this issue. The proof of being legally in this country and being a citizen of this country before you can vote is not too much to ask of the politicians and judges.
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Dionys1 year, 5 months ago
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Garbage. It's not a real issue. Unless you count "counting" fraud which has happened in the past two elections in great numbers, certainly. This "great concern" over a "real issue" is mostly mythic. You're much more likely to encounter fraud at the counting level (whether democratic or republican) than at the actual voting level.
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Teagen1 year, 5 months ago
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Oh Walden your foil hat must be tight tonight. All we're asking for is a photo ID to vote. I'd rather see them use a thumb print and not have the little old ladies try to find my name on the huge voter list. Put your finger on the scanner, approves me and a clerk hands me a ballot. I'm military, all of my prints are on file as are millions of people.
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markmawn21 year, 5 months ago
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Why is this a "battle"? In counties where signatures are verified against a computer database, bad ballots are caught and investigated. If they fail to meet the requirements, they are filed for future reference or shredded. Based on experience of a family member who work in the election system, this if very effective in finding the bogus ballots. What many voters don't realize is that it is a Federal offense to write your dog's name on a ballot, or to sign for another member of you family, which occurs quite often.
I think warning letters are a better solution than disenfranchisement, as now much voting is heading towards mail-ins ballots anyway.
For something this important, a unified system is required.
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TheSatyr1 year, 5 months ago
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To say illegals voting is not a problem have their heads in the sand. Back in the 80s a group of Hispanic politicians in So.Cal. held a meeting where one of the items on the agenda was on finding ways and means of getting illegals in to vote. The goal was to slowly work on the Reconquista of South West America. Hispanic members from all those states took part. One of their ways of getting illegals into the voting booths...Drivers licenses for illegals. The meeting was done openly,the press were even invited and everybody just laughed it off. Even the (small) LA times article on this meeting viewed it more as a joke than anything else...No one wanted to take it seriously.
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chevydog1 year, 5 months ago
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My problem is less with preventing illegals voting (a miniscule problem here in MO) than with making sure that those who are entitled to vote can. I have a state-issued ID (valid picture driver's license), was born and raised in the US, have lived and voted here for 40 years. Yet two years ago, I was nearly kept from voting by some guy bent out of shape by the fact that my reminder card said Chevy Dog while my driver's license said Chevy Quality Dog (we are both the same person). It was sobering to think that he could have prevented me from voting for no other reason than his being in a bad mood. IMHO, this offers far more potential for fraud than anything it is intended to correct.
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