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chevydog1 year, 6 months ago
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Teagen1 year, 6 months ago
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Huh? People living outside of the United States hold what's called a US Passport, that's an ID. If you're born outside of the USA, you have to make a choice on citizenship when you become either 18 or 21, I don't remember anymore. A passport would be issued anyway.
As to the claims of costs, in my home state, Wisconsin, there have been charges of voter fraud. The GOP, offered to pay the entire cost for the program but the other side would have nothing to do with it.
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chevydog1 year, 6 months ago
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Teagen -- My children (now 25-30) were born outside the US (to foreign parents), brought here as infants, and naturalized when they were under 5. They were never asked to make the choice you describe at 18 or 21; don't remember whether Mrs. Chevydog and I were asked by proxy to renounce their native citizenship. None of them have a passport.
As far as they're concerned, they're Americans who were born in Country X. They have naturalization papers; the pictures (taken when they were under 5) look very little like they do now.
So far, they've lived normal lives with their background never causing a problem for them or anyone else. I'm not about to support anything that's going to cause problems for them now.
Can't really adress dead people voting. But I know that Mrs. Chevydog has never seen a death certiciate for her father, who died in NY in 1968. Though he's long dead, I don't think she could prove it.
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chevydog1 year, 6 months ago
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Wolfie --
Maybe they will. But it burns me when people like me (and them) who have had a perfectly legitimate right to vote for their entire lives might be questioned about it. I don't mind stopping voting fraud, but the price of stopping people who are entitled to vote seems too high.
Mrs. Chevydog's father is happily resting in Arlington, and she's never voted for him. He had about three Social Security numbers (two gotten for him by the Army plus one he got when he became a self-employed minister). For some reason, Social Security never figured this out until more than 30 years after he died. Government bureaucracy is sometimes almost as bad as the private sector version.
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Wolfie20071 year, 6 months ago
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Well, I'm glad that Mrs chevydog isn't voting for her diseased father. He must have been a veteran, my thanks to him for helping defend the country.
You and your children don't have a legitimate right to vote unless you can identify yourselves and prove you are citizens and residents of the state, county and precinct where you desire to vote. So get over being burned up it's not a big thing. lol
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svensun1 year, 6 months ago
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Chevydog, I have a question:
How do your children prove their US citizenship now? Certainly, there are times when one has to, for various reasons: certain types of aid programs, travel to and from foreign countries, etc.
On such occasions, I have to show a birth certificate. What do your kids do?
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chevydog1 year, 6 months ago
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Sven --Actually as far as jobs, school, and most of the other stuff I'm aware of, they've never had to.
Two of them went to Mexico on class trips. It surprised me to learn that, although I wouldn't need a passport, the documents they needed were basically the ones to get a passport. (This was all pre-9/11 era.) The same thing was true for Canada when we visited there. INS recommended passport, but there wasn't enough time to do it; so we went the document package route. This included--MO birth certificate (shows them born in Korea), copy of custody order, copy of adoption order, naturalization papers. Most of this stuff I would've as soon left locked in a drawer at home. You never realize how hard it is to save stuff until you try.
I guess I was bugged to find that their doc requirement was more than mine. Thought that naturalization endowed them with the same privleges I have. But I guess that's not completely true.
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svensun1 year, 5 months ago
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It's too bad they have to face that hurdle. Perhaps having a passport would solve that document mess? I know that now passports are required for Mexico and Canada. I went to both when only a birth certificate was required myself, and confess that I don't have a passport.
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BB641 year, 6 months ago
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I know Teagen very well and I know the cases she's talked about throughout this topic. We have huge amounts of voter fraud in Milwaukee. The DNC really is the problem here. They have control over the Election Commission, DA's office, Sheriff's department, city hall and most of the State's checks & balances. We've had press from the local ABC affiliate video tape people from the New York DNC buy votes with smokes and no one was ever charged. The nursing home Teagen mentioned is where my grand mother lives and I've seen it. They have them sign off on the absentee ballots that are filled out for them. BTW-this is home that works with Alzheimer's patients mainly.
As to your comments, you make no sense. If they were born to non-US parents outside of the USA, how can they be naturalized citizens? Unless you signed the forms relinquishing their rights when you adopted them. If you didn't there's a very good chance they're illegal.
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svensun1 year, 6 months ago
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everyone who either naturalizes or is a citizen born outside the US has PROOF of their citizenship; if they've lost it, they can get a duplicate copy.
If I lose my birth certificate, I have to appy to the County Registrar to get a duplicate. It's not impossible, and isn't an extraordinary burden to exercising one's suffrage.
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chevydog1 year, 6 months ago
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Sven-- Not completely true on your second point. PA, in which I was born, hasn't used county clerks for that function since the 1930's. There is a state agency for that. But point taken.
On your first point-- I can't speak for now; but when my children were naturalized in the 1980's we were told (in almost these words):"If you lose this certificate, it can't be replaced." Puts the fear of God in you. My mind may be a little hazy because that was a ways ago; but I don't think I was imagining it. Still, given the realities of modern life, it doesn't seem to make much sense.
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svensun1 year, 5 months ago
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I hope that what you were told about your childrens' naturalization certificates is NOT true. That would be quite ridiculous, to NOT be able to replace such an important document. I hope whoever told you that was mistaken. If not, it sounds like the Congress has some work to do with ICE.
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