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Dionys1 year, 6 months ago
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There are plenty of examples where a "Real ID" has been required and kept US Citizens from voting. The most recent example was a large group of Nuns who came to Notre Dame to vote. The people at the voting station even knew their fellow nuns and their history. Some had expired passports (which were not allowed), but as most were in their 80's and 90's, did not drive and did not travel overseas they didn't have a valid (enough) ID.
The cost of a passport hovers around $80, which is quite a bit of money for those living on a fixed budget, not to mention for people who may be starving. A state ID may be cheaper, but for many (including those nuns) it represents a real obstacle in terms of both money and actually getting to a place to have their ID made and picture taken.
If people are going to require ID, then the required form of ID absolutely *has* to be free of charge, otherwise it's the same as a poll tax.
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Dionys1 year, 6 months ago
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If you actually read the fine print or address the reality of those 'offers,' you will see that they have to jump through many, many hoops to even qualify for the free ID and that most of the time the things needed to apply for an ID (such as birth certificate/marriage certificate/et cetera) would not be covered, nor would they get assistance (if they were, say, handicapped or simply older without any help) to get to the places where they could get ID. In short it seems like it was made much more difficult, time and money consuming than it needed to be.
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nostalgia1 year, 6 months ago
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most of the time the things needed to apply for an ID (such as birth certificate/marriage certificate/et cetera) would not be covered
I hate to tell you but they are going to need those documents to apply for Social Security
"nor would they get assistance (if they were, say, handicapped or simply older without any help) to get to the places where they could get ID."
Same can be said for obtaining SS or actually going to the polls to vote
GA actually was going to the homes with a mobile unit to supply ID's
How do they cash checks without an ID? or buy tobacco, alcohol etc?
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tkyrchncs1 year, 6 months ago
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Sheesh, Wolfie, where did you come from? Where did you go to school?
The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not
be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.
- Fifteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution (1870)
The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not
be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of sex.
- Nineteenth Amendment (1920)
The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any
primary or other election . . . shall not be denied or abridged . . . by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.
- Twenty-fourth Amendment (1964)
The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of age.
- Twenty-sixth Amendment (1971)
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tkyrchncs1 year, 6 months ago
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Are they gonna hunt up the witnesses and baptismal certificates and whatever for people like my 93 yr old granny who has no birth certificate to let them get the $20 dollar birth certificate to apply for an id? Are they gonna hire someone to take her in her wheel-chair with her O2 bottle to get her picture made? The obstacles are not troublesome for fraud artists but they are for the elderly and infirm, especially the rural population.
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nostalgia1 year, 6 months ago
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Does your 93 yr old Grandmother collect Social Security?
When my mother applied for hers, she didn't have a birth certificate.
We had to get school and church records plus 2 relatives older than her that could swear when she was born
Only then would they issue a birth certificate which she needed for SS
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tkyrchncs1 year, 6 months ago
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I know, I did all that for her years ago to collect rr retirement. That's the reason I remembered (some of) what it took. I was just making the argument, she's gone now but she would have been 112 come the 28th of this month. Thanks for your kindness, the info will probably help someone else.
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