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Posted By JamesMarcus 1 year, 7 months ago in NewsThe US is prepared to strengthen the Lebanese army to help disarm Hezbollah, after a week of violence between the militia group and pro-government gunmen that left 81 people dead. George W. Bush said that US assistance would ensure that the army was "able to defend the Lebanese government and safeguard its institutions."
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bubba21 year, 7 months ago
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Great ... our military is already so stretched beyond capacity because of Iraq and Afghanistan, and he promises military support for Lebanon?
W and his cronies apparently view the military as slave-labor instead of valued employees that should be properly taken care of so that they can do their 'jobs'.
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saintetienne1 year, 7 months ago
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Bullroar. He doesn't have the first CLUE about what to do in the Middle East. After all, he has family members who live there, and who may or may not be members of Hezbollah. I'm speculating, but then again, he's never come clean about the 8 or 9 Muslim half-brothers and half-sisters that are scattered all over the globe, so who really knows?
I WILL say this for him. He has the charm, the eagerness, the jive-talkin' abilities and the sh*t-eating grin to make a TERIFFIC salesboy at Foot Locker. Surely, even in this economic downturn, there's a Foot Locker in a mall in America somewhere that would be able to use his fine skills to increase their sales. I'D buy a shoe from him. Wouldn't you?
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wtagg1 year, 7 months ago
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Could you provide some evidence that the current administration has had the first clue the Middle East,and that is after 5 years of trial and error foreign policy.
I am not sure about your logic. If he allegedly has family members familiar with the cultural and political structure of that area, would that not put him in front of someone who has none? Or are you suggesting that our current leader's success is based on his lack of knowledge?
You demand proof when accusations are made against the administration, as well you should. I see that you do not use the same yardstick everywhere.
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saintetienne1 year, 7 months ago
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"The person you need to complain, will never listen to you."
True. His campaign is too busy trying to shore up the dirty laundry that keeps hemhorraging out about him. Tony Rezco, Rev. Wright, his racial statements, his money-laundering.... these are only the tips of the crooked iceberg.
And that pant-suited old bag with the turkey neck and the crows feet and the pandering, philandering husband in tow is too focused on proving to her dwindling womyn constituency that Oprah was right - girls CAN do it all!
Which leaves us with the only clear choice, John McCain, who at LEAST has the experience, the service to his country, the understanding of the military and the proper connections in Washington to deal with the Saudis and the rest of the yayhoos in the Middle East.
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saintetienne1 year, 7 months ago
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"The person you need to complain, will never listen to you."
True. His campaign is too busy trying to shore up the dirty laundry that keeps hemhorraging out about him. Tony Rezco, Rev. Wright, his racial statements, his money-laundering.... these are only the tips of the crooked iceberg.
And that pant-suited old bag with the turkey neck and the crows feet and the pandering, philandering husband in tow is too focused on proving to her dwindling womyn constituency that Oprah was right - girls CAN do it all!
Which leaves us with the only clear choice, John McCain, who at LEAST has the experience, the service to his country, the understanding of the military and the proper connections in Washington to deal with the Saudis and the rest of the yayhoos in the Middle East.
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MilesAway1 year, 7 months ago
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"wtagg" please explain about "flip-flopping liberal"!!!
The most (actual) know "FLIP-FLAPPER" is Mr. McCain and Mrs Clinton. If you meant THEM, I do agree with you, otherwise just give me 'negative' for this comment... and continue to
be HAPPY.
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PapaWolf1 year, 7 months ago
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I think that's what wtagg meant. For months, people like saint have been bashing McCain for his flip-flops & because he works too closely with Democrats to get things done.
(Imagine that - actually COMPROMISING with your coworkers to get work done. Unheard of - at least since the "Gingrich Revolution.")
They've even claimed he's too Liberal. Now he's their saviour because they're scared of both Clinton & Obama. See how they keep mentioning Obama's middle name, not realizing that Barak & Hussein are Old Testament Biblical names, & referencing his Muslim family; they're trying to imply he's a Muslim & that all Muslims are evil. Great scare tactics.
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Endoscopy1 year, 7 months ago
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Well you like people who compromise. That leaves out Obama. He has never tried to work with the other side. It is his way or not at all.
He doesn't even know how many states there are in the Union. Even after voting in the Senate. He said he had been to 57 states and would go to one more. When people chuckled he pointed out that he wasn't including Hawaii and Alaska because his campaign said he couldn't go there.
He thinks there are 60 States. Your candidate.
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PapaWolf1 year, 7 months ago
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Don't even start that. He's worked w/more opposition senators than the former Republican majority OR the President.
And don't start w/that 57 State thing. HE WAS MAKING A JOKE!!!!
You guys have to MANUFACTURE things to talk about on Obama. And the more you make up, the more desperate you look.
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wtagg1 year, 7 months ago
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"He has never tried to work with the other side. It is his way or not at all."
Please consider I am not an Obama supporter, but I would like you to provide some evidence to support your statement.
If you would like to talk about the gaffs that our political leaders have made, that would be fine. We could start with the current leader.
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PapaWolf1 year, 7 months ago
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>>Iran is arming both Hezbollah and the Iraqi Shiites so the two situations are not unrelated.
And the US armed the Iraqi Shi'ia, who turned into the militias the Iraqi gov't's now fighting.
And the US is arming the Sunni militias that were fighting the US forces & Iraqi gov't.
And the US armed the Iraqi leader we relatively recently overthrew.
AND the US armed the Iranians who had kidnapped US citizens, & were at war with our ally, and who are now arming both the Iraqi gov't AND Shi'ia militias.
What's your point?
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DropkickaLib1 year, 7 months ago
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When did we arm the Sunni and Shiite militias, aside from captured weapons?
The point is clear. Iran is making a power grab throughout the Middle East and is Hezbollah's paymaster. Dealing with the Iran/Iraq situation is dealing with the situation in Lebannon.
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PapaWolf1 year, 7 months ago
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Petraeus was supposedly training the Iraqi police & military. THAT was the Shi'ia group that were & are the Shi'ia militias.
And we are CURRENTLY paying & arming the same Sunnis, thanks to the "surge", who were targeting US military & Iraqi gov't & civilian populations.
And we won't even discuss the almost 200,000 missing weapons or the missing $9 to $12 BILLION.
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wtagg1 year, 7 months ago
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"Iran is making a power grab throughout the Middle East and is Hezbollah's paymaster."
The administration's foreign policy is really coming together. We have opened the door for Iran, al qaeda, etc....
How has the foreign policy of the last 6 years helped stabilized the middle east?
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MrBabyMan1 year, 7 months ago
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I just have to agree 10000%!
Let's say that also US army helped Iran in the war against Iraq before saddam hussein was killed. Also US agreed with IRAQ to occupied Kuwait and when IRAQ did it US army helped Kuwait. You see the point? Iran want power in the middle east, US want power in the middle east, EUROPE Country as well. To get power in the middle east you have to make the countries weak so that is the whole plan. And why Middle East? Simple answer it!
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MilesAway1 year, 7 months ago
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Yes 'MrBabyMan". I was watching our Ambassador of Iraq (her name was April) when she told to Sadam that: "... they have legitimate claim on part of Kuwaitis underground oil and part of it's territory. We (USA) will not interfere in their (OIL) conflict, she concluded".
Same month she packed her things, returned to Washington (DC) and Sadam believed to us, he did what he thought was honest answer (from us, The U.S.A.) and now he is dead, many of our soldiers too and about IRAQIS, hell no, nobody has any statistic.
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PapaWolf1 year, 7 months ago
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>>Almost true, you kind of confused the history.
In what way? Everything's pretty clear.
- We helped our ally, Saddam
- We sold him weapons
- We encouraged him to go to war w/Iran
- We sold weapons to Iran
- We turned a blind eye when Saddam used OUR, the UNITED STATES', weapons on his own people & on Iranians
- We told him it was OK to invade Kuwait
- We then drove him out of Kuwait
- We invaded his country even tho he did NOTHING to us
- We left a MAJOR vacuum & are now surprised Iran's trying to fill the void
- We trained Shi'ia for the Iraqi military & police forces
- Many of those Shi'ia turned into militias we are now fighting
- We basically drove Sunnis into militias w/the de-Baathification & Haliburton importing workers instead of using Iraqis
- We lost BILLIONS of $$ and hundreds of THOUSANDS of weapons now in the hands of God knows who
- Now we're paying & arming the same Sunnis who attacked our forces not too long ago.
What did I get wrong?
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fourthtunz1 year, 7 months ago
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------DropkickaLib
{iran is arming both Hezbollah and the Iraqi Shiites so the two situations are not unrelated.}
Well that might be what Rush and our Government are saying but that doesn't mean it's true. I used to believe in Santa too.
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djn3nunez31 year, 7 months ago
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"he promises military support for Lebanon"
I seriously doubt that he intends to send US troops into a battle in Lebanon.
If he send equipment and military hardware, how is that significantly different from Iran and or Syria suppling Hezbollah?
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PapaWolf1 year, 7 months ago
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Not to mention the US's total failure to even attempt to stop Israel from bombing Lebanon. That gave a not-too-popular fringe group - tho well-armed, I'll admit - increased popularity & power in an already divided country & region.
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Endoscopy1 year, 7 months ago
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papawolf
I know you think Israel is wrong about everything. They are supposed to let the surrounding terrorists send rockets and suicide bombers and do nothing like good little sheep led to the slaughter.
What a guy.
Christian brotherly love. For the terrorists only.
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joeblowe1 year, 7 months ago
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It's interesting to read comments going back and forth between "It's all Israel's fault" and "It's all Lebanon's fault" and "It's all Syria's fault" and "It's all Iran's fault" and "It's all OUR fault." And the irony is: IT SHOULDN'T MATTER - because really, it's none of our business. Neither Lebanon, Syria, Israel, Iran... none of them are U.S. territories. Quite frankly - except possibly for humanitarian reasons - it shouldn't matter the tiniest bit who does what to whom in that part of the world. Our "interests" in the region DO seem to keep costing the taxpayers billions and billions - soon TRILLIONS - of dollars though. WHY isn't Ron Paul way, way ahead in the polls? Seriously folks, we can't afford this crap anymore. Not that we ever could...
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hyperbola1 year, 7 months ago
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Ron Paul isn't way ahead in the polls because we have too many israel-first traitors to america in our government, our politics and our media. The israel-first traitors like Elliot Abrams (convicted for lying to congress during Iran-Contra) are the ones running our policy in Lebanon.
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Edmar141 year, 7 months ago
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And the idiots like Hyperbola who continuously lie to everyone are trying to convince those on this thread that she actually knows what she is talking about. Thank goodness that the majority of the people here have intelligence and an education. She's preaching to the wrong crowd and doesn't even know it. Get psychiatric help Hyperbola.
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dissent1 year, 7 months ago
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who elected you propeller community spokesperson? a lot of it's extreme but a lot more of what hyper has to say is more knowledgeable and truthful than anything i've ever seen from you. go hold somebody else's hand and speak for yourself next time
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fourthtunz1 year, 7 months ago
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joeblowe
---It's interesting to read comments going back and forth between "It's all Israel's -fault" and "It's all Lebanon's fault" and "It's all Syria's fault" and "It's all Iran's fault" and "It's all OUR fault." And the irony is: IT SHOULDN'T MATTER - because really, it's none of our business.---------------
Right Joe, I can't understand it myself. What about the UN handling these problems? But then you see Haliburton might not have gotten the contracts.
As far as the presidential race
People are voting for their party instead of what is best for the country. I've always been a democrat but then I woke up to who owns both sides. You have to listen to what they say they are going to do. The top 3 are going to do what
David Rockefeller tells them to do.
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pcknowledge1 year, 7 months ago
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I believe the conflict between Israel & Lebanon stems partially from the fight over the Litani River, since water is so scarce in that part of the world.
"THE LITANI RIVER OF LEBANON"
"Because of current Israeli utilization of all its renewable water resources and the predicted annual water deficit of 500 to 600 million cubic meters, Israeli occupation of the water-rich area in southern Lebanon raises questions about Israel's hydrological imperative. Israel has had historical interest in the Litani River, whose entire flow is within the borders of Lebanon.
"Israel is interpreted as being motivated largely by environmental prudence in extending its sphere of influence into southern Lebanon. Israeli desire to gain access to the Litant water resources serves its national interest, but to the detriment of Lebanon."
http://web.macam.ac.il/~arnon/Int-ME/water/THE LITANI RIVER.htm
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Edmar141 year, 7 months ago
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The Latini river has absolutely nothing to do with Israel wanting it's water. In the 1970's Israel went into Lebanon to stop the katusha rockets being fired into Israel from Southern Lebanon by the PLO. The Litani River became the dividing line from which Israel seperated southern Lebanon from the rest of the country. When Israel occupied southern Lebanon to prevent the rockets from being fired from that area, the Litani became the boundry line. Israel has a very efficient national water carrier which takes water from the Sea of Galilee and disperses it throughout the country. It also has very sophisticated desalination plants which create fresh water from the Mediterranian sea, as well as deep water wells. It doesn't need or covet the Litani water. Get your history and facts straight. The Lebanese have been using that same old BS about Israel wanting the water since the Civil War. Israel doesn't need or want their water.
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pcknowledge1 year, 7 months ago
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The last Israel/Lebanon conflict was not because of 2 Israeli soldiers. It was because of the Litani water, & long in the planning.
"The entire basin of the Litani River is located within the borders of Lebanon.
In the Israeli-Palestinian context, water is a central ingredient, perhaps only second to land, of the wider conflict between the two sides...the water conflict is not just about water; it reaches to the recesses of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, to questions of land and annexation. Those are abnormal in a water conflict, and render the Israeli-Palestinian water conflict more complex and acute than others in the region.(9)
12) Historically, Israel has been interested in the Litani, and conflict with Lebanon over the Litani is more likely given this."
http://www.american.edu/ted/ice/litani.htm
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PapaWolf1 year, 7 months ago
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Few Westerners, with little or no ties to the ME, realize any of this. Israel has even threatened all-out war if Lebanon restricts Israel's water use of LEBANESE rivers. And they limit PALESTINIAN water usage while the Israeli settlers are allowed, by comparison, almost unlimited water usage.
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Edmar141 year, 7 months ago
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PC and Papa Wolf, you need some serious history lessons and some knowledge of Israeli technology. Crghss is absolutely correct, consult a map before you make statements that are patently false. Frankly, I'm a little sick of the Arab propoganda about Israel wants this, Israel wants that. Israel wants peace and to be left alone. It can take care of it's own needs without it's neighbor's resources. Unless you haven't noticed, the Palestinians have done absolutely nothing to improve the land for the last 2000 years. The Jews have done in 60 years what the Arabs haven't even tried to do since Rome fell. Israel left the most technological greenhouses for the residents of Gaza to use to feed themselves when Israel pulled out in 2005. The Palestinians destroyed them in less than one day. The Palestinians have the Jordan river to tap into for their use. They never made any attempt to use it for their well being. The West Bank is as brown today as it was under Jordan 30 years ago.
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PapaWolf1 year, 7 months ago
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Gave you a POS by accident:
>>Israel left the most technological greenhouses for the residents of Gaza to use to feed themselves when Israel pulled out in 2005. The Palestinians destroyed them in less than one day
I saw & heard the reports of Israelis destroying the buildings, & even removing the olive trees that had been there for a LONG time, when they left Gaza. So it wasn't the Palestinians who destroyed them; it was the leaving Israelis.
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pcknowledge1 year, 7 months ago
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I agree. Our government doesn't give us all the necessary information to know the real reasons behind a conflict. Everyone has to do research on their own. Even if someone doesn't have any ties to the ME (I sure don't) I believe it helps to have travelled there before believing what is shared through the media.
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dissent1 year, 7 months ago
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yep, and that goes for everywhere, pc, not just the ME. i've read so much sh!t on these threads from morons who've never been anywhere and have no idea about anything but have a loud mouthed, dumb a$$ed opinion on everything and are all too happy to blow it all away before they ever get there which they never will. pretty much sums up our foreign policy
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hyperbola1 year, 7 months ago
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This is just the same old US/Israeli imperialism that has been committing war crimes in Lebanon for 60 years now. It is yet another result of having zioncon traitors to america running our mideast policy - in the case of Lebanon the "Welch Club" run by arch zionist racist Elliot Abrams (you know the one convicted of lying to congress during Iran-Contra). Of course, our media never tell us about these traitors and their crimes against humanity.
Sharon's war crimes in Lebanon: the record
... Israel, Lebanon and Zionist expansionism
While public attention has focused on the atrocities at Sabra and Shatilla, the record shows that these were the culmination of 15 years of military action by Israel in Lebanon, much of which constituted war crimes. ...
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/feb2002/sab-f...
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hyperbola1 year, 7 months ago
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The Israeli Project Has Failed in Lebanon
Why the Bush Administration Wants to Negotiate Now with Hezbollah
http://www.counterpunch.org/lamb04252008.html
What's in it for Hezbollah?
Will U. S. Policy in Lebanon and the Middle East Ever Change?
http://www.counterpunch.org/lamb04262008.html
Part One: Historical Context and Current Posturing
Bush to Nasrallah: an Offer Hezbollah Cannot Refuse?
http://www.counterpunch.org/lamb04242008.html
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hyperbola1 year, 7 months ago
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The Western Colonial war on Lebanese Patriots
Do No Evil â;; Despite propaganda in the western press, there are two main positions in Lebanon today. A colonialist project supported by the US and Israel, whose spokesman is the Lebanese Government, and a project of national sovereignty conducted by Lebanese patriots that includes people of many religions and political streams.
http://donoevil.propeller.com/story/2008/05/12/...
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Edmar141 year, 7 months ago
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Hyperbola, you seem to hate the US and Israel so much. Why don't you just pick your big a double s up and move out of this great country. If you don't like the US, leave. You don't like it, and it doesn't like you. You have the ability to speak your mind only because this country gives you that right. Why don't you try moving to one of your lovely Moslem countries where women like you are relegated to second class citizens with little or no rights. Then again, you're not smart enough to understand what it is that you really have.
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Daylight1 year, 7 months ago
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Hyperbola, you seem to hate the US and Israel so much. Why don't you just pick your big a double s up and move out of this great country.
He seem to hate the American policy but you seem to be an Israeli Zionist shill. Why don't you move to Israel?
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Daylight1 year, 7 months ago
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For the last 50 years America has been the cause of blood shed in the world supporting tyrants and puppets to crush even the reasonable and genuine concern of citizens. It is time America changes it's policy towards the countries that kill their own citizens in the name of Democracy and freedom to be in the list of the American financial help. America is not helping Democracy anywhere in the world instead trying to protect those American shills in the name of Democracy. America has already done enough damage to the world by taking sides rather America should stop supporting governments to fight their opponents. Hisbolah is not a terrorist organization, they are political force who want to defend their country from Israeli aggression and by helping Lebanon to fight Hisbollah, America is laying the foundation for a long and bloody civil war that will bankrupt the already bankrupt America but will help Israel to be strong to start another war in the Middle East.
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djrevelky1 year, 7 months ago
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How dare President Bush pledge support for a democratically elected government that is being overthrown by an acknowledged, anti-American, terrorist group?
Why the nerve! Bush needs to be like all of the anti-American liberals and terrorist-backers on netscape and just go hug them.
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hyperbola1 year, 7 months ago
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Actually it is Israel, not Hezbollah, that should be on our terrorism list. Nice try at trying to continue killing americans in the mideast fore zionist crimes against humanity.
Why is Hezbollah on the Terrorism List?
And Who Isn't But Should Be?
... Hezbollah's view of the April 17, 1983 Embassy bombing is different from some militia operating during this period. Hezbollah has consistently opposed attacks on foreign civilians. It was one of the first to condemn the 9/11 operation as well as the 1997 attack at the Temple of Hatshepsut at Luxor, Egypt which killed 58 civilians as "bloody and terrible, calling them crimes against Islam. Hezbollah also condemned the Cairo attacks on the Greek tourists, and the Algerian killing of 7 trappist monks in Algerian by claimed Islamists....
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hyperbola1 year, 7 months ago
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... A study undertaken at the American University of Beirut in January- February 2007, benefiting from research and surveys from a variety of international and Israeli human rights organizations, tabulated no fewer than 6,672 acts of Israeli state terrorism directed against Lebanon and Palestine between the years 1967-2007. Not only is Israel absent from the US State Department Terrorism list, Israel appears to determines who is on it...
http://www.empressoffice.com/en/index.php?news=19
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