Televangelist John Hagee Apologizes to Catholics »
Posted By Goppy 1 year, 6 months ago in NewsHagee has often made references to Catholicism as the 'great ,'. That's why it was odd that McCain sought out his endorsement so assiduously. Hagee says now he "better understood" that his use of those descriptions, are 'a rhetorical device long employed in anti-Catholic literature and commentary.'
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Goppy1 year, 6 months ago
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 6 months ago
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So now they can get the Catholics to focus on the real issue: How much Rev. Wright is a threat..
This country is one giant television commercial that never ends.
Americans are constantly distracted by the irrelevant in order to forget the relevance of their vote.
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david_nwpa1 year, 6 months ago
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John Hagee has been running his yap for over a decade decrying the Catholic Church as a bastion of evil. He has insulted the intelligence of Catholics nationwide if he thinks this last minute mea culpa will win over the hearts of the people. Furthermore, John McSameasbush is an even bigger twit if he thinks it will sway Catholic voters his way.
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Poulenc1 year, 6 months ago
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The thing that's truly nutty--as well as pathetic, but also scary--is that people LISTEN to "religious leaders" like Hagee.
Not the first time a demagogue came complete with religious "credentials"--nor the last.
The formulation: dogma is dogma until it isn't. Catholicism is bad then it's good (even if you secretly believe it's not).
Belief is infinitely malleable, especially when pressure is applied to it by "higher-ups" with political power.
Hard to fathom? Naw, easy as pie.
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slate1 year, 6 months ago
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(((The thing that's truly nutty--as well as pathetic, but also scary--is that people LISTEN to "religious leaders" like Hagee))
OR
Robinson
Faharakan
Sharpton
Jackson
Or pretty much any of the 'religious' leaders that think they have a place in the ploitical sysatem. Preach to the faithful, and let the faithful decide whom they want to vote for. Religious leader. Should stay out of the political process, unless they do it as a private citizen.
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brettodactyl1 year, 6 months ago
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Thanks for the story Goppy. John Hagee's style generally does not appeal to me, and I had heard about some of the anti-Catholic remarks he'd made, which makes me less comfortable with the man. Of course, I'm generally uncomfortable with televangelists because I don't often detect the type of sincerity that I look for from a man of God.
Of course, it's not my job to judge Hagee's motives in apologizing and whether or not he was sincere. The Catholic League's Donohue seems to be accepting of it, and all I can say is that the pastor did the right thing.
Truly, it is unfortunate for Christianity to be politicized as it has been lately. That's not what it's supposed to be about. In fact, I wonder if it would be best if pastors refrained from public endorsements.
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Goppy1 year, 6 months ago
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brett said:
"Truly, it is unfortunate for Christianity to be politicized as it has been lately. That's not what it's supposed to be about. In fact, I wonder if it would be best if pastors refrained from public endorsements."
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I strongly agree brett. I believe Religion and Goverment should be kept at arms length.
Providing Spiritual nourishment should be the ONLY interest of ANY Religion.
When religious leaders embrace the role of political kingmakers ... they lose all credibility in my book.
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Poulenc1 year, 6 months ago
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I think it's (regrettably) safe to say that the memory of the American electorate is short.
Hasn't l'affaire Wright already--and mercifully--begun to fade?
And so shall this Hagee business. Obama's style nicely precludes provocation and smear; that's a true marker of politics-NOT-as usual, and a sign, I believe, of his integrity.
In other words, O. won't throw the Hagee gauntlet down....
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spkguy1 year, 6 months ago
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"IF " Is a very large word when used in that context, to say that, one could only conclude that he either had no concern that his words were in fact hurtful to a specific group or just to obtuse to realize that fact! Either way you are right on with your assement, "If I offended anyone...is no apology anyway. It's bs."
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nikkibabe1 year, 6 months ago
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Palama:
I agree. I am a Catholic and hated this SCUM from the beginning. When people say things that amounts to hatred towards others or other religion, it is squeezing toothpaste out of the tube. You cannot put it back in to the tube.
I guess John McCain must have gone and begged this guy to recant his hatred. It shows what a SCUM McCain is to do this just to get votes.
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Bkumm1 year, 6 months ago
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Curious. Do you suppose McCain's camp decided that they aren't going to go after Senator Obama in the Fall on the whole Rev. Wright issue? OR are they setting themselves up to go after him anyway? I'm curious to see how this all falls out.
One thing I will say, the comments of various political pastors just reinforces my opinion that religion is not a good thing in general.
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slate1 year, 6 months ago
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Well let's see, one of them says they are sorry for what they said and the other.... well you saw the coverage on that.
People will decide why they want to vote for someone or not.
Whether they decide they don't like the people a candidate associates with. Let both candidates feet roast a bit as far as I'm concerned. I want to know anything and everything about them all that may make them a bad choice.
Whether I consider their policies are good or bad are the most important issues to me personally.
Their sex, race, religion or even political parties are the least important. People who vote for these last few things I mentioned in the last sentence are shallow thinkers in the least.
I will never understand the mind that wouldn't vote for a man or woman because of the color of their skin, but there are people like that. Thankfully their numbers are small if you look at the actually group that will go and cast a vote in the fall.
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chevydog1 year, 6 months ago
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Nikki--
It's accurate historically to observe that the evangelical churches were established almost in opposition to things Catholic. The two share more than a few of the same beliefs; but the tone of those beliefs and of worship is markedly different.
It's rather a shame because I know some very good people who are members of evangelical churches. Maybe Hagee is also as a person. But this public episode episode revealed him to be disruptive and insulting. Sometimes shared convictions make it necessary that evangelical believers and I share the same political path. When that happens, I always make sure to remember the words of Hagee and those like him -- what he said is not an isolated feeling.
Would that the Bible were not reduced to something to beat people over the head with. :|
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hyperbola1 year, 6 months ago
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There are others in american public life who need to make similar renouncements.
For Israel's Sake, Moderate American Jews Must Find Their Voice
Religion â;; Radical zionist political associations have embraced the most right-wing figures of American politics from Rick Santorum and Trent Lott to Tom DeLay and George Bush - all in the guise of being "pro-Israel." Enough. These extremists don't speak for me or the majority of American jews and they endanger Israel.
http://religion.propeller.com/story/2008/05/03/...
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hyperbola1 year, 6 months ago
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Are You Listening, Joe Lieberman?
Religion â;; Kudos to Rabbi Eric Yoffie, head of the Union for Reform Judaism, who has publicly spoken out against Jewish political cooperation with those Evangelicals who label themselves "Christian Zionists," with their most prominent organization - Christians United for Israel - and with its leader, Rev. John Hagee.
http://religion.propeller.com/story/2008/04/04/...
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DropkickaLib1 year, 6 months ago
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Goppy1 year, 6 months ago
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Hey! I wonder when John McCain is gointa apologize and DISAVOW his connection to John Hagee.
After all, thats what we Christian Conservatives demanded of Obama with Reverent Wright.
Course, as in all things, we make the most of our two-facedness.
See how we work it?
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hamy1 year, 6 months ago
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But you told me before that they are not the same! Does that mean you lied?
When Hagee said that homosexuals caused Katrina with their magical powers and then later tried to say that he didn't say that, you said that Wright and Hagee were very different. You said that Hagee wasn't as attached to McCain as Wright is to Obama.
Are you changing your story?
And since when is "I know you are but what am I" political debate?
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antibrainwasher1 year, 6 months ago
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Of all the criticism of religion, of muslims, evangelicals, catholics, or any christian sect, sunni's, shiites.....
This is tolorated and encouraged by those who own this media I'm typing on now. Its just good bidness. Let the American left attack the american right, they laugh all the way to the bank.
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tkyrchncs1 year, 6 months ago
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The really funny thing here is that someone apparently believes Catholics vote as a block! LOL My family often might as well stay home as we go and cancel out each other's votes.
In the last local election the Democrat and the Republican running for one office both go to my church!
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antibrainwasher1 year, 6 months ago
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"Today, seven Jewish Americans run the vast majority of US television networks, the printed press, the Hollywood movie industry, the book publishing industry, and the recording industry. Most of these industries are bundled into huge media conglomerates run by the following seven individuals:
Gerald Levin, CEO and Director of AOL Time Warner
Michael Eisner, Chairman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company
Edgar Bronfman, Sr., Chairman of Seagram Company Ltd
Edgar Bronfman, Jr, President and CEO of Seagram Company Ltd and head of Universal Studios
Sumner Redstone, Chairman and CEO of Viacom, Inc
Dennis Dammerman, Vice Chairman of General Electric
Peter Chernin, President and Co-COO of News Corporation Limited
These men profit from the fueding of libs and cons, catholics and evangelicals, Dems and Reps.
Netscape/AOL/TimeWarner.
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Poulenc1 year, 6 months ago
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Bkumm's comment above is interesting: will one preacher's faux pas cancel out the other's when it's mud-slinging time?
I'm inclined to believe that neither candidate (assuming O. gets the nod) will initiate play of the preacher card; but I'm afraid that guilt-by-association is a bone (to pile on the metaphors) that others won't want to stop chewing.
The fact is, neither Hagee nor Wright speaks for McCain or Obama. And reasonable people should recognize this.
(Did I use the words reasonable and people in the same sentence?)
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scott42611 year, 6 months ago
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One thing that should be clear to everyone: these dominionists do NOT represent mainstream Christianity. But people like them and their followers are very quick to judge my faith (I am an Episcopalian... "Catholic-lite" as we are known by some people) as not really being Christian at all ....never mind that we don't park our brains at the door...never mind that we take very seriously Jesus' teachings of taking care of the least among us, treating others as we wish to be treated...in short, loving our neighbors as we love ourselves. Doesn't that sound like we arefollowers of Christ?
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NoWayMan1 year, 6 months ago
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so does this mean hagee now believes something different concerning catholics that he did not believe before?
or is he merely apologizing because he said his true beliefs out loud and its caused disgust amongst the general populace?
and now that he has apologized about hateful rhetoric concerning catholics, will he now apologize about his hateful rhetoric concerning muslims, gays, and the city of New Orleans?
(sorry scott. this wasnt supposed to appear as a response to your post)
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Poulenc1 year, 6 months ago
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Obie, in answer to your question about why antibrain's comment is antisemitic:
The Jewishness of the guys mentioned is IRRELEVANT to the issue (inappropriately) raised.
Further, the post inaccurately (and laughably) pits this group against others, concluding:
"These men profit from the feuding of libs and cons, catholics and evangelicals, Dems and Reps," as if a threatening conspiracy were afoot.
In other words, the post demonizes Jews.
Get it?
If not, try replcing the word "Jewish" with "blacks" or "Catholics" or....
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