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Posted By Goppy 1 year, 6 months ago in NewsHagee has often made references to Catholicism as the 'great ,'. That's why it was odd that McCain sought out his endorsement so assiduously. Hagee says now he "better understood" that his use of those descriptions, are 'a rhetorical device long employed in anti-Catholic literature and commentary.'
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Goppy1 year, 6 months ago
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Goppy1 year, 6 months ago
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This story is HUGE (funny).
You got all the attackes from us Christian Conservatives on Obama about a select few sermons that Obama was not in attendance (as far as I know) and thats a MAKE OR BREAK issue for us Christian Conservatives ... (or so we say).
But then you got John McCain pleading, pleading, pleading over a series of months to get an endorsement from John Hagee ... who is an 'agent of divisiveness'.
And we Christian Conservatives are doin our best pretzel logic excercises to explain how Obamas ASSOCIATION is much worse than McCain's ASSOCIATION.
The simple fact is, Christian Conservatives simply express 'Rigid Conservatism' ... NOT Christianity.
I believe we Christian Conservatives should just admit it.
Christian Conservatives defines a POLITICAL preference ... one of intolerance for diversity.
Thats why Christian Conservatives jumped on the Wright ASSOCIATION. We needed an EXCUSE to not vote for a black man.
See how we work it?
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Blackacereturn1 year, 6 months ago
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This is sad, the state of our nation. Where is the TV coverage on this? It's the equivalent of Rev Wrights speech if not more damning that his but it barley made the news just a passing mention on fox and CNN. The double standards are palpable in this country when it comes to reporting.
Truth it it is racist or borderline so!
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Goppy1 year, 6 months ago
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Actually, I get all my news from my heart.
I do have an antenae out that seems to pick up info from the ether.
Then I route it through my heart - which filters out all the hypocrisy, hyperbole, BS ... and right wing corporate spin from mainstream media.
But that filter gets filled pretty quickly these days.
Beginin bout 30 years ago - with the rise of Newt Gingrich, Jerry Falwell, and NeoConservatism - Ive had change out the hypocrisy/BS filter nearly EVERY DAY!
Whereas prior to say 1978, I dint change the hypocrisy/BS filter but once a month.
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antibrainwasher1 year, 6 months ago
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So ya think we have a "free press" eh? Check out who owns who, and who owns what you think.......
GENERAL ELECTRIC --(donated 1.1 million to GW Bush for his 2000 election campaign)
Television Holdings:
* NBC: includes 13 stations, 28% of US households.
* NBC Network News: The Today Show, Nightly News with Tom Brokaw, Meet the Press, Dateline NBC, NBC News at Sunrise.
* CNBC business television; MSNBC 24-hour cable and Internet news service (co-owned by NBC and Microsoft); Court TV (co-owned with Time Warner), Bravo (50%), A&E (25%), History Channel (25%).
The "MS" in MSNBC
means microsoft
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WESTINGHOUSE / CBS INC.
Westinghouse Electric Company, part of the Nuclear Utilities Business Group of British Nuclear Fuels (BNFL)
whos #1 on the Board of Directors? None other than:
Frank Carlucci (of the Carlyle Group)
Television Holdings:
* CBS: includes 14 stations and over 200 affiliates in the US.
* CBS Network News: 60 minutes, 48 hours, CBS Evening News with Dan Rather, CBS Morning News, Up to the Minute.
* Country Music Television, The Nashville Network, 2 regional sports networks.
* Group W Satellite Communications.
Other Holdings:
* Westinghouse Electric Company: provides services to the nuclear power industry.
* Westinghouse Government Environmental Services Company: disposes of nuclear and hazardous wastes. Also operates 4 government-owned nuclear power plants in the US.
* Energy Systems: provides nuclear power plant design and maintenance
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TIME-WARNER TBS - AOL (donated 1.6 million to GW's 2000 campaign)
America Online (AOL) acquired Time Warnerâ;;the largest merger in corporate history.
Television Holdings:
* CNN, HBO, Cinemax, TBS Superstation, Turner Network Television, Turner Classic Movies, Warner Brothers Television, Cartoon Network, Sega Channel, TNT, Comedy Central (50%), E! (49%), Court TV (50%).
* Largest owner of cable systems in the US with an estimated 13 million subscribers.
Media Holdings:
* HBO Independent Productions, Warner Home Video, New Line Cinema, Castle Rock, Looney Tunes, Hanna-Barbera.
largest music company.
* 33 magazines including Time, Sports Illustrated, People, In Style, Fortune, Book of the Month Club, Entertainment Weekly, Life, DC Comics (50%), and MAD Magazine.
Other Holdings:
* Sports: The Atlanta Braves, The Atlanta Hawks, World Championship Wrestling
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NEWS CORPORATION LTD. / FOX NETWORKS (Rupert Murdoch) (donations see bottom note)
Television Holdings:
* Fox Television: includes 22 stations, 50% of US households.
* Fox International: extensive worldwide cable and satellite networks include British Sky Broadcasting (40%); VOX, Germany (49.9%); Canal Fox, Latin America; FOXTEL, Australia (50%); STAR TV, Asia; IskyB, India; Bahasa Programming Ltd., Indonesia (50%); and News Broadcasting, Japan (80%).
* The Golf Channel (33%).
MEDIA HOLDINGS:
* Twentieth Century Fox, Fox Searchlight.
* 132 newspapers (113 in Australia alone) including the New York Post, Wall Steet Journal the London Times and The Australian.
* 25 magazines including TV Guide and The Weekly Standard.
* HarperCollins books.
OTHER HOLDINGS:
* Sports: LA Dodgers, LA Kings, LA Lakers, National Rugby League.
* Ansett Australia airlines, Ansett New Zealand airlines.
* Rupert Murdoch: Board of Directors, Philip Morris (USA).
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Blackacereturn1 year, 6 months ago
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I know about all of this. They don't worry me none, the only thing i worry about is the people because the media is nothing without the people. They are starting to get that message. because as much as they held off on telling us that hill didn't win TX or her margin in PA was 9% which they choose to call points. The people went out the next week and voted. They like the Republicans are not in control of the American people anymore!
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slate1 year, 6 months ago
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Shame on you for watching FOX Black! I stated that they did talk about it a lot, when the other poster said he hadn't seen it at all on CNN,,,,, but though what I said was correct you had to find a way to spin it as you claim FOX did,,,, Dat's funny
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cushi1 year, 6 months ago
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Maybe it's just me, but I'm thinking, since Donahue has accepted Hagee's apology and is ready for them to kiss and make up, they have decided to join forces because they don't want that "black" guy to get into the "white" house.
Could be reaching here, but I smell a rat and I think that's the bottom line for some folks.
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slate1 year, 6 months ago
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Maybe it's just me, but I'm thinking, since Donahue has accepted Hagee's apology and is ready for them to kiss and make up, they have decided to join forces because they don't want that "black" guy to get into the "white" house.
Just like a 'progressive' to always use 'race' and assume that all those that disagree with a man of color have to be racists.
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 6 months ago
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So now they can get the Catholics to focus on the real issue: How much Rev. Wright is a threat..
This country is one giant television commercial that never ends.
Americans are constantly distracted by the irrelevant in order to forget the relevance of their vote.
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hyperbola1 year, 6 months ago
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Are we distracted or are we force fed distractions by those who don't want us to think about serious matters?
Obama vs. The Israel Lobby
Religion â;; Poor Obama. No matter how much he grovels to the Israel lobby, they won't take yes for an answer. The Lobby has been after him for months, trying to dig up "evidence" that he is necessarily an enemy of Israel. The best they could come up with so far were the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's jeremiads, which didn't have much of an effect.
http://religion.propeller.com/story/2008/05/14/...
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hyperbola1 year, 6 months ago
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Finding Obama guilty of insufficient devotion to Israel
Do No Evil â;; Right-wing zionists attack Obama on the premise that failure to love Israel with enough passion or to be sufficiently devoted to its interests ought to disqualify -- presumably since, the Founders intended the first obligation of the US President to be to preserve Israel's security, just as George Washington said in his farewell address:
http://donoevil.propeller.com/story/2008/05/14/...
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hyperbola1 year, 6 months ago
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Keep in mind that Hagee is a "christian-zionist" and leader of their most prominent organization - Christians United for Israel. Palestinian christians have been complaining about Hagee for many years. Do you suppose that those christians will also get an apology from Hagee?
Challenging Christian Zionism
The Challenge Of Christian Zionism
The movement of Christian Zionism provides a challenge and an embarrassment to Palestinian Christians at a number of crucial levels, requiring us to address this issue theologically, politically, and existentially. It raises for us a number of issues that must be addressed.
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hyperbola1 year, 6 months ago
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First and foremost are the theological issues: What kind
of God does Christianity teach and what kind of God do we believe in? Is God a tribal, territorially-based God, partial to the tribe of the Hebrews and interested in granting them a particular piece of land in Palestine to be their eternal birthright regardless of the rights of its indigenous inhabitants?? Is God the Lord of Hosts, glorying in the military exploits of his people, andwrathful and vengeful towards their enemies, assuring them of military victory (regardless of their own spiritual state of godliness or lack thereof )? Or is God the sacrificial God who loves the whole world, and who, as revealed to us in Christ, transcends racial and national boundaries, and opens his arms and offers his salvation to Jew and gentile alike, inviting into his universal kingdom
all those who believe in him, granting them the power to be children of God, and inheritors of the promises??....
http://www.sabeel.org/documents/cs32.pdf
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thank you so much for posting this information. But, be careful, the anti-defamation league considers any criticism of Isreal a work of anti-sem....
And guess who owns AOL, and hence Netscape.....
One ethnic group owns all american media, and has complete control over investigative journalism, the "4th leg" of american democracy. Good for them. No more antisem.. propaganda. But, ask yourself, who benifits from a protracted war in Iraq? Who is fighting Israel's enemies? Who is dying in Iraq and for what purpose. Who is running the propaganda campaign brainwashing the left and right in america? Who profits from the tabloid gossip? Who profits from the war bewteen cons and libs? Who pays O'Reily? Who owns Drug Lamebaugh? Who provides the airtime and profits?
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hyperbola1 year, 6 months ago
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Yes, it is clear that we are subjected to major censorship in america when it comes to zionist crimes against humanity. Our "corporate media" do not tell us that the majority of jews OPPOSE the zioncons in the american government and the zionist ethnic cleansers in israel.
Zionism versus Judaism
Religion â;; Zionists have managed to unforgivably drag judaism's name through the mud for more than 60 years. Zionism might be a racist, supremacist ideology - but Judaism is most definitely not. The more Jews who make this distinction, the better: both for security of their fellow Jews, as well as to end zionist crimes against Palestinians.
http://religion.propeller.com/story/2008/04/15/...
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hyperbola
Finding Obama guilty of insufficient devotion to Israel
Devotion to Israel is like devotion to evil. Jewish people reject the Right Wing Israelis and they want to live in peace with Muslims and Christians. America will be better of without Israeli, Israel is a liability and not a trustworty friend, of course they will be a good friend as long as America is with them, the moment America refuse to help them then they will start digging the grave for America.
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hyperbola1 year, 6 months ago
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Frankly engineer it is you who needs the psychiatric help. The term "good germans" willing to support nazi crimes against humanity now has to be supplemented with the term "good jews" willing to support zionist crimes against humanity. Fortunately more and more jews world-wide recognize the zionist crimes against humanity and reject them.
Zionism is Dead, What Now?
Religion â;; The irony of history is while Zionists managed to create a nation state in the Middle East Ã;¢â;¬" the majority of Jews simply don't want to be part of a Jewish nation in the Mid-East. Three quarters of a million Israeli Jews have moved abroad. Jews, not Jihadists, have consigned Zionism to the dustbin of history.
http://religion.propeller.com/story/2008/05/13/...
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 6 months ago
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Bottom line: We're distracted.
Whether it is a combination of their ability to use it to their advantage, or their knowledge that we are consumed by their best use of distraction, it is the method used by
all whose interests are accomplished by its use.
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Radiofreeeuropa1 year, 6 months ago
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Of course Obama denounced and disowned the comments of Wright.
Has McCain done like in regards to Hagee's ridiculous remarks not only about Catholics but about New Orleans, Gays, and other human beings? Hagee has called for more war in the middle east to hurry "duh pocalypse" along. Has McCain denounced this idiocy? No.
It seems so many Americans have become so stupid now, you might as well let Hagee and Wright have a celebrity god-guy deathmatch to decide who becomes the POTUS.
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david_nwpa1 year, 6 months ago
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John Hagee has been running his yap for over a decade decrying the Catholic Church as a bastion of evil. He has insulted the intelligence of Catholics nationwide if he thinks this last minute mea culpa will win over the hearts of the people. Furthermore, John McSameasbush is an even bigger twit if he thinks it will sway Catholic voters his way.
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Poulenc1 year, 6 months ago
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The thing that's truly nutty--as well as pathetic, but also scary--is that people LISTEN to "religious leaders" like Hagee.
Not the first time a demagogue came complete with religious "credentials"--nor the last.
The formulation: dogma is dogma until it isn't. Catholicism is bad then it's good (even if you secretly believe it's not).
Belief is infinitely malleable, especially when pressure is applied to it by "higher-ups" with political power.
Hard to fathom? Naw, easy as pie.
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slate1 year, 6 months ago
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(((The thing that's truly nutty--as well as pathetic, but also scary--is that people LISTEN to "religious leaders" like Hagee))
OR
Robinson
Faharakan
Sharpton
Jackson
Or pretty much any of the 'religious' leaders that think they have a place in the ploitical sysatem. Preach to the faithful, and let the faithful decide whom they want to vote for. Religious leader. Should stay out of the political process, unless they do it as a private citizen.
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not2needy1 year, 6 months ago
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OR
Falwell
Haggard
Robertson
Copeland
Benny Hinn
Oral Roberts
Eddie Long (Eddie Long received a faith-based grant from the Bush Administration.)
Joyce Meyer
Creflo Dollar
Now i don't know the political affiliation of all these people, but i do know that they make multimillions as televangelists, and i recognize a few of them as being republican supporters.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/06/cbsne...
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Dionys1 year, 6 months ago
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Skull and Bones isn't a cult. It's a secret society. The Illuminati are a made up secret society. Do a little historical research.
Moon's a cult leader, though, with heavy ties to the Repugnant Con party in washington and a heavy control over media. Scary man.
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brettodactyl1 year, 6 months ago
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Thanks for the story Goppy. John Hagee's style generally does not appeal to me, and I had heard about some of the anti-Catholic remarks he'd made, which makes me less comfortable with the man. Of course, I'm generally uncomfortable with televangelists because I don't often detect the type of sincerity that I look for from a man of God.
Of course, it's not my job to judge Hagee's motives in apologizing and whether or not he was sincere. The Catholic League's Donohue seems to be accepting of it, and all I can say is that the pastor did the right thing.
Truly, it is unfortunate for Christianity to be politicized as it has been lately. That's not what it's supposed to be about. In fact, I wonder if it would be best if pastors refrained from public endorsements.
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Goppy1 year, 6 months ago
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brett said:
"Truly, it is unfortunate for Christianity to be politicized as it has been lately. That's not what it's supposed to be about. In fact, I wonder if it would be best if pastors refrained from public endorsements."
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I strongly agree brett. I believe Religion and Goverment should be kept at arms length.
Providing Spiritual nourishment should be the ONLY interest of ANY Religion.
When religious leaders embrace the role of political kingmakers ... they lose all credibility in my book.
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Poulenc1 year, 6 months ago
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I think it's (regrettably) safe to say that the memory of the American electorate is short.
Hasn't l'affaire Wright already--and mercifully--begun to fade?
And so shall this Hagee business. Obama's style nicely precludes provocation and smear; that's a true marker of politics-NOT-as usual, and a sign, I believe, of his integrity.
In other words, O. won't throw the Hagee gauntlet down....
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"IF " Is a very large word when used in that context, to say that, one could only conclude that he either had no concern that his words were in fact hurtful to a specific group or just to obtuse to realize that fact! Either way you are right on with your assement, "If I offended anyone...is no apology anyway. It's bs."
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The Problem with Rev. Wright ... There are Too Few Like Him
Politics â;; In a year which may make the difference between potential peace or another decade of war, a candidate who does not have the knowledge of US history to campaign for justice, will have no chance -- even if elected -- in suppressing the demonic forces by which the military-industrial-financial complex dominates the US.
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/05/14/...
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hyperbola1 year, 6 months ago
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If you believe that then you show thateither: (1) you are easily taken in by superficial propaganda, much of which is spread by the same right-wing ZionCons that lied us into the Iraq war, or (2) you are an active peddler of zioncon lies to americans aimed at continuing to kill americans in the mideast for zionist crimes against humanity.
Jeremiah Wright Delivers the Knockout Punch
Politics â;; Reverend Jeremiah Wright appeared on PBS Bill Moyers Journal on Friday night and delivered a knockout punch to the bully-boys in the corporate media. Wright showed that he is neither a fanatic nor an "America hater"; just an extremely well-read and principled man with an unshakable commitment to justice.
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/04/29/...
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Obama vs. The Israel Lobby
Politics â;; Poor Obama. No matter how much he grovels to the Israel lobby, they won't take yes for an answer. The Lobby has been after him for months, trying to dig up "evidence" that he is necessarily an enemy of Israel. The best they could come up with so far were the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's jeremiads, which didn't have much of an effect.
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/05/14/...
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ZionCons and the truth: Bitter enemies to the end
Politics â;; "Iran: The Next War" --detailed shady activities of numerous neocons inside and out of US Government to plan attack on Iran. Virtually identical deceit from this same group lied americans into Iraq war. They're as transparent as dishonest and bloodthirsty and are desperately trying to lie americans into an Iran war before Bush departs.
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/05/08/...
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Finding Obama guilty of insufficient devotion to Israel
Do No Evil â;; Right-wing zionists attack Obama on the premise that failure to love Israel with enough passion or to be sufficiently devoted to its interests ought to disqualify -- presumably since, the Founders intended the first obligation of the US President to be to preserve Israel's security, just as George Washington said in his farewell address:
http://donoevil.propeller.com/story/2008/05/14/...
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nikkibabe1 year, 6 months ago
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Palama:
I agree. I am a Catholic and hated this SCUM from the beginning. When people say things that amounts to hatred towards others or other religion, it is squeezing toothpaste out of the tube. You cannot put it back in to the tube.
I guess John McCain must have gone and begged this guy to recant his hatred. It shows what a SCUM McCain is to do this just to get votes.
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Bkumm1 year, 6 months ago
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Curious. Do you suppose McCain's camp decided that they aren't going to go after Senator Obama in the Fall on the whole Rev. Wright issue? OR are they setting themselves up to go after him anyway? I'm curious to see how this all falls out.
One thing I will say, the comments of various political pastors just reinforces my opinion that religion is not a good thing in general.
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Goppy1 year, 6 months ago
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Truer words wernt never spoken.
Personally, I HATE it that we Christian Conservatives hooked up with the hard line warriors of the REpublican party.
This is a union that was born out of political expediency on BOTH sides, and can only be nourished by Blatant Hypocrisy.
In spite of our right wing media mavens such as Ann Coulter and Rushy Limbaugh, all sides have only been made to look LESS credible by HONEST folk.
However, the union still works for those who embrace intolerance just generally, and have a hard line, retribution-style specifically.
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Bkumm1 year, 6 months ago
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Someone once said:
"Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely".
Unfortunately, religion has become about power, over hearts, over minds and over people, rather than about how to treat ourselves and our fellow human beings.
It's sad.
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Blackacereturn1 year, 6 months ago
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Who said that the founding fathers are no longer relevant? I think if the last crap of republicans did. Now if there is an agreement that they still are relevant here it is, the separation of Church and state is as good an idea now as it were then. If we didn't have these quacks in our politics maybe we wouldn't be here now.
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Goppy1 year, 6 months ago
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You are so correct Blacky.
That is one of the keystones of Neo-Conservatism. They REJECT historical precedent.
Thats why they all love SCJ Antonin Scalia.
Maybe you remember Newt Gingrich? He of the 'Republican Revolution'?
Well, what he was REVOLTING against was Traditional American Values. And the tool he used in this process was NEO-CONSERVATISM.
Its a revolutionary ideeologie.
BUT liek many craaazie ideeologies, such as Communism ... it too is destined for the Ash Heap of history ... along with it's proponents ... Newt, Karl, Goerge, Dick, and Donnie.
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Bkumm1 year, 6 months ago
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Yep. Personally, I don't care if you worship at the Church of the Divine Orgasm as long as you respect the rights of others to believe differently than you do.
Further, if you do belong to such a church, as long as you are (relatively) honest and will do your best to deliver open government that is forward looking and inclusive, that's the best we can hope for.
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slate1 year, 6 months ago
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Well let's see, one of them says they are sorry for what they said and the other.... well you saw the coverage on that.
People will decide why they want to vote for someone or not.
Whether they decide they don't like the people a candidate associates with. Let both candidates feet roast a bit as far as I'm concerned. I want to know anything and everything about them all that may make them a bad choice.
Whether I consider their policies are good or bad are the most important issues to me personally.
Their sex, race, religion or even political parties are the least important. People who vote for these last few things I mentioned in the last sentence are shallow thinkers in the least.
I will never understand the mind that wouldn't vote for a man or woman because of the color of their skin, but there are people like that. Thankfully their numbers are small if you look at the actually group that will go and cast a vote in the fall.
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chevydog1 year, 6 months ago
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Nikki--
It's accurate historically to observe that the evangelical churches were established almost in opposition to things Catholic. The two share more than a few of the same beliefs; but the tone of those beliefs and of worship is markedly different.
It's rather a shame because I know some very good people who are members of evangelical churches. Maybe Hagee is also as a person. But this public episode episode revealed him to be disruptive and insulting. Sometimes shared convictions make it necessary that evangelical believers and I share the same political path. When that happens, I always make sure to remember the words of Hagee and those like him -- what he said is not an isolated feeling.
Would that the Bible were not reduced to something to beat people over the head with. :|
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Dionys1 year, 6 months ago
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A majority of modern Evanglicals, however, have a very solid and strong anti-Catholic stance and embrace the idea that the Pope is the anti-Christ. All one has to do is look at the left-behinder fiction series embraced by so many Evanglicals or the online MMORPG Left Behind (or whatever it's called). The AntiChrist is dressed to look exactly like the Pope. And these peace-loving, all-embracing Evangelicals wanted to send CDs of this game to all the troops overseas.
They may be a minority, but they are a loud and powerful minority in this country, unfortunately, and do not in any way exhibit the true understanding of evangelicalism.
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Dionys1 year, 6 months ago
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Try listening to all the left-behinders that have infiltrated not only the military to high positions, but also the pentagon and other intelligence agencies who have extremely strong influence within this administration.
You're right, though. Perhaps it isn't a majority of Evangelicals. Just the loudest ones with the most power in this administration.
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Goppy1 year, 6 months ago
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The only loser is our nation ... for when hate mongers liek yourself reject our proud traditional civic values ... as well as essential teachings of Jesus ... in favor of a anger filled political world view ... only evil can come of it.
Of course, your ongoing commentary gives plenty of evidence to that.
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hyperbola1 year, 6 months ago
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There are others in american public life who need to make similar renouncements.
For Israel's Sake, Moderate American Jews Must Find Their Voice
Religion â;; Radical zionist political associations have embraced the most right-wing figures of American politics from Rick Santorum and Trent Lott to Tom DeLay and George Bush - all in the guise of being "pro-Israel." Enough. These extremists don't speak for me or the majority of American jews and they endanger Israel.
http://religion.propeller.com/story/2008/05/03/...
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hyperbola1 year, 6 months ago
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Are You Listening, Joe Lieberman?
Religion â;; Kudos to Rabbi Eric Yoffie, head of the Union for Reform Judaism, who has publicly spoken out against Jewish political cooperation with those Evangelicals who label themselves "Christian Zionists," with their most prominent organization - Christians United for Israel - and with its leader, Rev. John Hagee.
http://religion.propeller.com/story/2008/04/04/...
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DropkickaLib1 year, 6 months ago
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Goppy1 year, 6 months ago
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Hey! I wonder when John McCain is gointa apologize and DISAVOW his connection to John Hagee.
After all, thats what we Christian Conservatives demanded of Obama with Reverent Wright.
Course, as in all things, we make the most of our two-facedness.
See how we work it?
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Goppy1 year, 6 months ago
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Funny, I dont remember Obama bein in attendance at Wrights handful of tirade sermons.
And you dont either.
But I DO know that, after John Hagee DENOUNCED Americas Catholics as W-HORES ... John McCain rushed as quickly as he could to snare his endorsement.
Why does John McCain have such hatred for Catholics, Droppy? What did they evea do to him?
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hamy1 year, 6 months ago
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But you told me before that they are not the same! Does that mean you lied?
When Hagee said that homosexuals caused Katrina with their magical powers and then later tried to say that he didn't say that, you said that Wright and Hagee were very different. You said that Hagee wasn't as attached to McCain as Wright is to Obama.
Are you changing your story?
And since when is "I know you are but what am I" political debate?
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Goppy1 year, 6 months ago
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Now you are just stringin words together to make non-sensical associations!!
Man Alive Droppy!
Your self loathin is becomin more evident ever day!!
Above you call me a'Lib-Fascist' ... here you call me a Libbot ... hten a DenOrat/Socialist!!!
You have really FLIPPED your lid!!
Do you even know what you are sayin?
Oh wait! I know. You are in an insane asylum!
I dint know we still had those.
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antibrainwasher1 year, 6 months ago
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Of all the criticism of religion, of muslims, evangelicals, catholics, or any christian sect, sunni's, shiites.....
This is tolorated and encouraged by those who own this media I'm typing on now. Its just good bidness. Let the American left attack the american right, they laugh all the way to the bank.
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tkyrchncs1 year, 6 months ago
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The really funny thing here is that someone apparently believes Catholics vote as a block! LOL My family often might as well stay home as we go and cancel out each other's votes.
In the last local election the Democrat and the Republican running for one office both go to my church!
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antibrainwasher1 year, 6 months ago
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"Today, seven Jewish Americans run the vast majority of US television networks, the printed press, the Hollywood movie industry, the book publishing industry, and the recording industry. Most of these industries are bundled into huge media conglomerates run by the following seven individuals:
Gerald Levin, CEO and Director of AOL Time Warner
Michael Eisner, Chairman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company
Edgar Bronfman, Sr., Chairman of Seagram Company Ltd
Edgar Bronfman, Jr, President and CEO of Seagram Company Ltd and head of Universal Studios
Sumner Redstone, Chairman and CEO of Viacom, Inc
Dennis Dammerman, Vice Chairman of General Electric
Peter Chernin, President and Co-COO of News Corporation Limited
These men profit from the fueding of libs and cons, catholics and evangelicals, Dems and Reps.
Netscape/AOL/TimeWarner.
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Poulenc1 year, 6 months ago
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Bkumm's comment above is interesting: will one preacher's faux pas cancel out the other's when it's mud-slinging time?
I'm inclined to believe that neither candidate (assuming O. gets the nod) will initiate play of the preacher card; but I'm afraid that guilt-by-association is a bone (to pile on the metaphors) that others won't want to stop chewing.
The fact is, neither Hagee nor Wright speaks for McCain or Obama. And reasonable people should recognize this.
(Did I use the words reasonable and people in the same sentence?)
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scott42611 year, 6 months ago
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One thing that should be clear to everyone: these dominionists do NOT represent mainstream Christianity. But people like them and their followers are very quick to judge my faith (I am an Episcopalian... "Catholic-lite" as we are known by some people) as not really being Christian at all ....never mind that we don't park our brains at the door...never mind that we take very seriously Jesus' teachings of taking care of the least among us, treating others as we wish to be treated...in short, loving our neighbors as we love ourselves. Doesn't that sound like we arefollowers of Christ?
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NoWayMan1 year, 6 months ago
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so does this mean hagee now believes something different concerning catholics that he did not believe before?
or is he merely apologizing because he said his true beliefs out loud and its caused disgust amongst the general populace?
and now that he has apologized about hateful rhetoric concerning catholics, will he now apologize about his hateful rhetoric concerning muslims, gays, and the city of New Orleans?
(sorry scott. this wasnt supposed to appear as a response to your post)
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Poulenc1 year, 6 months ago
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Obie, in answer to your question about why antibrain's comment is antisemitic:
The Jewishness of the guys mentioned is IRRELEVANT to the issue (inappropriately) raised.
Further, the post inaccurately (and laughably) pits this group against others, concluding:
"These men profit from the feuding of libs and cons, catholics and evangelicals, Dems and Reps," as if a threatening conspiracy were afoot.
In other words, the post demonizes Jews.
Get it?
If not, try replcing the word "Jewish" with "blacks" or "Catholics" or....
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