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Posted By Aidenag 1 year, 6 months ago in NewsThe U.S. government has injected hundreds of foreigners it has deported with dangerous psychotropic drugs against their will to keep them sedated during the trip back to their home country, according to medical records, internal documents and interviews with people who have been drugged.
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kboy1 year, 6 months ago
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JackofallChems1 year, 6 months ago
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Science makes possible that which previously was not possible - like killing a baby before it's officially born without significantly damaging the mother instead of killing the same baby after it's born and completely separated from the other. It didn't used to be that way, but now it is. The question is what to do or refrain from doing with what is now possible. Since left-wing types see no ethical problem with premature infanticide when it's financially or socially convenient, I fail to see any credibility in objections of drugs being used to subdue prisoners when they come from such people. If you want the good-old humane treatments used, first start objecting to the use of modern technology to get away with monstrosities not possible in the bad-old days. As for prisoners in Gitmo, have a hearing to classify them as not-covered by the Geneva Conventions (easy to do with terrorists) and do whatever is beneficial for us to them until they're dead - there are limits, you know.
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Teagen1 year, 6 months ago
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I've had to fly from Mexico as an officer in charge of a prisoner. He was facing capitol charges and gave the MP's problems. In the end we did have to sedate him against his will. He's serving several life term at Leavenworth. Sometimes sedation may be the only option for some people. I disagree if there's no reason but if the person is being deported against his or her will and might be a danger, then it's safer to do that.
I'm kind of questioning the reporting. They claims it was given to many people with no history of violence. To fly medical personal, security and the deportees, that's a whole lot of money. I don't fully buy this. Then again, this is a government operation so you never know.
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hdthehn1 year, 6 months ago
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Teagen1 year, 6 months ago
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Gitmo prisoners are treated better than most other prisoners outside of the USA or for that matter prisoners in most state pens.
As to torture, I'm confused at anyone defending them. I've read their handbooks on how to treat prisoners. Torture, rape and beheading are used regularly. I think armed combatant in civilian cloths trained for terror should be treated like spies. No protection offered none expected. Jimmy Carter signed the PLO protection act from the UN giving them rights they didn't deserve.
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hdthehn1 year, 6 months ago
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"Gitmo prisoners are treated better than most other prisoners outside of the USA or for that matter prisoners in most state pens." Irrelevant statement my friend.
Defending them?
Get a grip on reality my friend, I am defending the rule of law. The Gitmo detainees had legal rights that were upheld by the supreme court after being violated by the Bush admin for years. That is why Bush et al were given retroactive immunity by the war powers act enacted by the republican lead 109th congress.
If they don't have rights than neither do you or I.
Why do you defend a president who has engaged in war crimes, torture for one example.
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hdthehn1 year, 6 months ago
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"Jimmy Carter signed the PLO protection act from the UN giving them rights they didn't deserve. Again irrelevant, deserved or undeserved the law granted them - that is reality." Are you the judge, jury and executioner?
Or is it the law enforcement brain washing taking over.
I would sure not want to be in your custody for even the most inconsequential crime.
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hdthehn1 year, 6 months ago
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Tegan this is just too rich to leave alone:
"Gitmo prisoners are treated better than most other prisoners outside of the USA or for that matter prisoners in most state pens. "
Were you ever at Gitmo in a official capacity?
If your statement is true it speaks poorly for law enforcement incharge of legally operating "pens" in this country, ya think?
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hdthehn1 year, 6 months ago
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tanglang no offense taken
However would they also give their word that the detainees at Abu Ghareb were treated just as decently and with dignity while at the same time viewing the pictures of the torture that we have all seen occured there?
Read this http://www.pen.org/downloads/documents/adminstr...
Pay particular attention to page A-187 which states:
ARMED FORCES INSTITUTE OF PATHOLOGY
Office of the Armed Forces Medical Examiner
1413 Research Blvd., Bldg. 102
Rockville, MD 20850
1-800-944-7912
Landstuhl Regional Medical Center
Landstuhl, Germany, APO AE 09180
DSN 486-7492
CIV 011 (49) 6371-86-7492
AUTOPSY EXAMINATION REPORT
mce,
Name: Blanked out Autopsy No.: A02-95 (Landstuhl
R.M.C. Autopsy Number)
SSAN AFIP No.: 2859183
Date of Birth: Unknown, age approx. 35 yrs. Rank: Civilian, Afghani national
Date/Time of Death: 10 Dec 2002/0200z Place of Death:
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hdthehn1 year, 6 months ago
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Bagram Collection
Point, Bagram Air Field, Afghanistan
DatefI'ime of Autopsy: 13 Dec 2002/1000 Place of Autopsy: Bagram Air Field Date of Report: 25 Feb 2003 Afghanistan
Circumstances of Death: Approximately 35 year old Afghan male detainee who was found unresponsive restrained in his cell in the Bagram Collection Point, and pronounced dead on arrival at the 339's CSH, Bagram Air Field, Afghanistan.
Authorization for Autopsy: The Armed Forces Medical Examiner, JAW 10 USC 1471.
Identification: Visual; Post mortem dentel examination performed; Fingerprints and DNA specimen obtained.
CAUSE OF DEATH: Blunt force injuries to lower extremities complicating coronary artery disease
MANNER OF DEATH: Homicide
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hdthehn1 year, 6 months ago
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FINAL AUTOPSY DIAGNOSES:
I. Blunt force injuries to bilateral lower extremities with rhabdomyolysis
a. Extensive soft tissue hemorrhage with muscle necrosis
i, Involving bilateral legs, extending from upper thighs to upper calves and bilateral inguinal regions
ii. Nearly circumferential muscle damage, from subcutis to level of periosteum of femurs
iii. Histologically, extensive muscle destruction with necrosis
MEDCOM-29
DOD 003156
A-187
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hdthehn1 year, 6 months ago
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The 1st key point here being: MANNER OF DEATH: Homicide
The second: Murdered while in military custody.
Believe what you will tanglang and believe what you don't.
Of course this may just be more of that looney liberal propaganda I hear tell of. I mean he could of beat himself to death, right???
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Beau78901 year, 6 months ago
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Since Congress usually exempts itself from restrictions it puts on other workplaces, it's really only a short ethical step to making exceptions for other government agencies and branches. The Supreme Court usually rationalizes such obvious BS for the power elites.
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BB641 year, 6 months ago
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Walden I agree with your sentiment, if the claims in the article if they're true. However, the Washington Compost isn't known for objective or fair reporting. They've had problems with fictional stories or more accurately, creative writing. I'd really like to see all of the evidence, be it reports, records and the like. They claim they're flying prisoners, being deported with medical escorts. There has to be more to this story we're not seeing. If not, if there's not good reason to waste our more taxpayer money and risk the prisoner's lives with this stuff, then I'm with you all the way. But I'd like to see more information.
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walden31 year, 6 months ago
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I had to read your comment about five times and then I went back and read the story again. What do you dispute? Are you saying that the government isn't administering drugs? After reading the story again I think that you are barking up the wrong tree. The evidence seems pretty compelling.
"according to medical records, internal documents and interviews with people who have been drugged..."
"medical note..."
"according to an airline crew member's written account
nurse's account in his deportation file..."
"The few times officials have spoken of the practice, they have understated it, portraying sedation as rare and "an act of last resort."
"Hundreds of logs for the past five years, obtained by The Post..."
"Internal government records show..."
"they internally circulated a new policy..."
"The log says..."
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Beau78901 year, 6 months ago
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The drugs given in various combinations, their dosages, and information about the drugs and their effects, are listed in a sidebar on page 2 of the article, along with the numbers of detainees receiving specified ranges of dosages. I'd have copied and pasted, but it's way too long.
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Beau78901 year, 6 months ago
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WTF, NoSpine?
You could have negged the comment where I called you NoSpine (thanks for that one, Goppy, I like it), but you negged my purely factual answer to tanglang's question--an answer that contained no rudeness, insults or sarcasm.
If the lack of insults was your problem with that, I have plenty for you.
Or maybe you just don't like facts about pharmaceuticals? Or don't like to read?
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tanglang1 year, 6 months ago
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Haldol, Lorazepam and cogentin? That's what this is about? I knew kids in high school who were on Lorazepam for their anxiety issues. Haldol and cogentin are often used together because cogentin takes care of some of the unwanted side effects of Haldol.
I think this might be a non issue.
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walden31 year, 6 months ago
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From the article, "Haldol gained notoriety in the Soviet Union, where it was often given to political dissidents imprisoned in psychiatric hospitals. "In the history of oppression, using haloperidol is kind of like detaining people in Abu Ghraib," the infamous prison in Iraq, said Nigel Rodley, who teaches international human rights law at the University of Essex in Britain and is a former United Nations special investigator on torture.
For people who are not psychotic, said Philip Seeman, a University of Toronto specialist in psychiatry and pharmacology, "prescribing Haldol . . . is medically and ethically wrong."
The only circumstances in which small amounts of Haldol are appropriate for non-psychotic people, Seeman said, are when a person comes into a hospital emergency room violent and agitated from an overdose of a drug such as PCP, or when someone with severe dementia is delusional or combative."
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hdthehn1 year, 6 months ago
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Ok Nospin-
You have me convinced with your eloquent response. I now believe everything that the conservative media you worship feeds me.
Thanks for straightening me out on this matter. I am humbled by your brilliance. I'm so not worthy, I'm so not worthy, I'm so not worthy, I'm so not worthy, I'm so not worthy, I'm so not worthy,â;¦..
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Beau78901 year, 6 months ago
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Ha! That's exactly what NoSpineDave means--don't believe anything the "liberal media" tells you. But believe EVERYTHING the government-sanctioned conservative media tells you.
If you believe anything he terms liberal, you're an idiot. If you question any media reports he agrees with, you're an idiot.
Clearly, everyone who doesn't agree with NoSpineDave is an idiot, including those who do their own research and those who don't watch TV.
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hdthehn1 year, 6 months ago
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NoSpin should have a look at this video
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/05/12/blast-...
I'd bet a weeks pay he admires Bill O for his extraordinary leadership, dignity and decency demonstrated in this one.
Yep I can see why Nospin admires Bill O for hero that he truly is.
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disraeli1 year, 6 months ago
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Davey,
I must confess that I agree with you, in part anyhow. Unfortunately the first four words of your comment seem to have the ring of truth to them.
Idiots in charge and idiots who let them be in charge. Overall the nation must have a slight majority of idiots.
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normallysilent1 year, 6 months ago
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"Repeatedly, documents describe immigration guards "taking down" a reluctant deportee to be tranquilized before heading to an airport."
That means they could be a hazard to the other passengers.
Deportation; Expulsion of an undesirable alien from a country.
That means even if you start throwing a fit.
You can walk, or you can be carried, the botton line is
See ya
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Beeboppin711 year, 6 months ago
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Ratskii1 year, 6 months ago
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FTA: Records show that the government has routinely ignored its own rules, which allow deportees to be sedated only if they have a mental illness requiring the drugs, or if they are so aggressive that they imperil themselves or people around them.
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Teagen1 year, 6 months ago
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There's a clearly defined set of laws concerning entry into the United States. Part of our problem is the 14th Amendment and what's called Anchor Babies. Even if you break ever law to enter the USA, drop a baby on this side of the line, and it's an American citizen. The law needs to be changed.
As to undesirable, anyone crossing illegally without proper papers should be shipped out ASAP. We need to stop paying for all health care, housing, schools, food stamps, welfare and the rest of the social services. Also, if you hire an illegal alien, you go to jail too. We take your business or send your board of directors to jail. Make it so difficult they go home for lack of jobs.
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hamy1 year, 6 months ago
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And giving someone potentially harmful drugs against their will BEFORE they even go to the airport is OK with you? What if your mother was being deported and she was drugged and died on the flight from complications from that drug? How would you feel about this practice then? Are doctors giving these tranquilizers? Most likely not.
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Endoscopy1 year, 6 months ago
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Beau78901 year, 6 months ago
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I would want them in cuffs, restraints, chains, if necessary, and even gags if they won't be quiet.
Drugs are dangerous, especially without medical records and appropriate medical personnel. Flying nurses to dispense the drugs is way more expensive than necessary to subdue deportees.
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Beau78901 year, 6 months ago
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Did you read the first sentence of my comment?
Were these detainees being flown on passenger jets?
And yes--on the off chance they were on passenger jets, and I was on my honeymoon flying for 10 to 20 hours somewhere, I'd rather have them scream than possibly DIE from adverse reactions to medications the nurses, who don't have medical records of the detainees, injected.
Shall we also drug screaming babies on long-distance flights so I won't be inconvenienced?
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tanglang1 year, 6 months ago
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One of my sisters recently went to Mexico on her honeymoon. There were three hispanic males in federal custody being deported on her flight. She told me that she wished they would have drugged hem.
I can't say for sure if this is standard practice, but what I can say is hat last fall there were people on a passenger jet being deported.
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Beau78901 year, 6 months ago
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They do sometimes get taken into custody when the plane lands. Sometimes they make an emergency stop to have disruptive passengers arrested. Until now, I haven't heard of disruptive passengers being drugged, though deportees aren't regular passengers.
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Beau78901 year, 6 months ago
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At the same time, I have to note that acting unconscionably toward criminals being deported stands against principles the U.S. was founded on, and hurts our cause (by creating more enemies and showing those who might still not be certain that we're no better than any other government) more than it helps. There are other ways to deport criminals without them causing harm.
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hamy1 year, 6 months ago
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I didn't say anything about their behavior. All I said was that they drugged them before they even got too the airport. Let's say your mother was kicking and screaming because she didn't want to go, then. And they drugged her and she died in transit. How would you feel?
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tanglang1 year, 6 months ago
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Why is the drugging illegal? If she were a criminal being deported and was a threat to passengers on a commercial flight and therefore had to be drugged which later resulted in her death, I can't honestly say I would be too upset. She was the one who committed a crime. IMO, she chose her fate.
(This may sound harsh to you, but it is how I feel about most things)
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Candida1 year, 6 months ago
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The authorities were breaking the law. Are they honest people or will they get their comeuppance?
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"honest people who do not commit crimes will not be druggeed and deported:
This used to be the party line in the communist countries. Just toe the line and nothing will happen to you. As thousands and thousands of people who ended up in the Gulag can testify, that's not always what happens when you allow the authorities to break the laws.
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DaneL1 year, 6 months ago
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"And of course you know as an absolute fact that their behavior was just nice and pleasant. If you were to accompany several angry belligerent people out of the country what would you want?"
I just wish some of these bleeding hearts would escort these people back and see how their story would change after a few weren't nice. They'd be screaming for the nurse with the drugs!
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normallysilent1 year, 6 months ago
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And you think all they use on the those prisoners is restraints if they are making a fuss? Guess again.
Thats what I am saying; What its good enough for citizens in prison oh but not for someone being deported?
dangerous would be not sedating them.
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MajJohn1 year, 6 months ago
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If you were a guard of someone reluctant to go home and that person had a violent history, even if he says, "I'll behave now". would it be prudent to insure we did not have to deal w/ someone who was out of control while in an aircraft? And why the sudden indignation? This has been going on under all the previous administrations and to my own knowledge since as far back as Nixon. We know the answer to that, there are those w/ agendas who wear blinders to anything that happened under Carter or Clinton. Are there abuses? Sure, in all things there are but to analyze something and only be selective in what you look at is disingenuous at best. That's why we have an over abundance of lawyers I guess. Ask not, "what have we become", rather ask, "what are we" and then you'll understand why we are viewed as we are in some corners of the world.
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Beeboppin711 year, 6 months ago
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MajJohn - "If you were a guard of someone reluctant to go home and that person had a violent history, even if he says, "I'll behave now". would it be prudent to insure we did not have to deal w/ someone who was out of control while in an aircraft?"
If there were no laws in regards to situations like this, than I would agree. However, "involuntary medication of such persons for the sole purpose of subduing them during deportation, without a court order, is not supported by any legal authority and raises ethical issues, as well."
There are laws that must be followed. One cannot decide for themselves who is "violent" or who might become "violent". Drugging detainees against their will is illegal regardless of which administration is in charge.
By the way, I didn't realize that this sort of thing was happening. Thanks to the Post and Aidenag for alerting me.
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MajJohn1 year, 6 months ago
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Dear Boppin, there are laws in this regard, but sometimes they are ignored for either expediency or common sense. This is not necessarily abuse of the law. When there is no expediency issue and common sense is thrown out the window and the drugs given anyway, then we raise legal and ethical issues.
Funny how these issues are raised now and not in an earlier time. We know the answer and I'm not laughing.
It's also not funny when you're escorting someone who goes berserk in an aircraft. I'd hate to have to go get a court order at that time, it's a long way to the ground.
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Beeboppin711 year, 6 months ago
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If ICE is drugging deportees, against their will, for the sole purpose of deportation, without a court order, it is illegal. It appears, from the evidence presented in the article, that they are and they need to reprimanded for doing so.
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BB641 year, 6 months ago
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Actually, that's not entirely true. While I'm still not completely satisfied in the integrity of the news source, there are rules that govern the transport of prisoners. Since there is a medical professional along, they can administer drugs under something from Homeland I thought.
I still can't understand why we're flying them. Since they most likely crossed the Mexican border, why are we not dropping them off on Mexico's door step and letting them walk back home. Why are we paying for air fairs?
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BB641 year, 6 months ago
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You have over 15,000,000 illegal aliens killing the social services of most states. Between the free health care, education, welfare, food stamps, housing subsidies and the like, you're spending billions already. How about before they're shipped out, you have them work on the fence to cover all of their costs? Oh this is going to attract the negs.
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lvrofwolves1 year, 6 months ago
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would you rather they work here for peanuts, helping destroy our economy and even worse sending a lot of their $ back to their own country? how are they going to repay us for using our services illegally??? I think that's a great idea, we don't have to treat them like concentration slave labor.
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Beau78901 year, 6 months ago
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I know that many out here seem to believe that illegal immigrants are the greatest cause of our financial problems.
There'd have to be a whole lot more than 15 million (a number I doubt, by the way, though I'm open to reliable links proving it), with EACH of them collecting unemployment AND food stamps AND huge healthcare expenses AND education (though that certainly doesn't take much government money) for it to end up costing what ONE year of the war in Iraq costs us.
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lvrofwolves1 year, 6 months ago
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I agree certainly not the biggest cause, but still, for those that do not even belong here to place an even bigger burden on an already suffering economy, well yeah I resent that, especially when we cannot offer as much help as needed for our OWN citizens in need. Still we shouldn't treat them like animals. If I were in their position with children I might try and do the same thing, I don't know.
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Ciera-Marie1 year, 5 months ago
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Amen Candida you hit the nail on the head with that statement right there.
I think there are more employers who hire illegal aliens than people realize, more authorities who look the other way when they rent homes or sell homes to the coyotes, to many in positions of authority (law makers, politicians, attorneys, etc) who hire them as nannies, housekeepers, groundskeepers, etc. Or how about that company they hired to fix their roof, landscape their yard, clean the pool?
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Candida1 year, 6 months ago
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MajJohn: "there are laws in this regard, but sometimes they are ignored for either expediency or common sense. This is not necessarily abuse of the law."
What? Are you saying that we are supposed to follow the law unless it's expedient not to? You can't be serious.
No, it's not funny when people go berserk in an airplane, but occasionally people do for all kinds of different reasons, and usually the flight attendants deal with them.
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Beeboppin711 year, 6 months ago
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Why is ICE ignoring court orders regarding immigrants? The article says:
"Eleven months later, as [Amadou Diouf] was still appealing his case and, according to his lawyers, had a court order blocking his deportation, immigration officers came for him and took him to the airport for the trip back to Senegal."
Why was ICE trying to deport an individual with court orders BLOCKING his deportation? Who authorized this act that defies a court order? Isn't that a crime as well?
It bothers me that immigrants are being drugged against their will but it really concerns me that agencies are ignoring our laws.
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Charlson1 year, 6 months ago
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But does the difference allow breaking our laws? I'm all for deportation but do it legally. Just like I'm all for wire tapping terrorist calls but, once again, do it legally. Our country is a nation of laws and when one segment of the population continually subvert the rule of law, our country is in peril, not from outside but from within our borders.
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lvrofwolves1 year, 6 months ago
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Candida, I agree 100% with some rights, after all we are all human beings even tho some don't act like it.
If there was no difference, they would have all the rights we have. Not just some laws, ALL laws apply to them,and everyone else that comes to America regardless if it's legally or not.
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lvrofwolves1 year, 6 months ago
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NO in America, we all have to live by our laws of America, regardless if you are an immigrant a visitor or an illegal alien. I'm not for treating anyone like an animal unless they act like one, and you need to protect others. A straight jacket and a gag might be a better way to go on a plane, no extra medical nurse needed. If an injection is against their will, god only knows what they are putting in there.
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lvrofwolves1 year, 6 months ago
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many things look worse then they are and some things are worse then they look. If they gave you a choice, which would you take? There might actually be some who would pick the injection over being physically bound. All I know is one way to avoid all of that...follow our laws.
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DaneL1 year, 6 months ago
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Beeboppin711 year, 6 months ago
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First of all, ICE was trying to deport an individual that was protected under a court order blocking his deportation. Second of all, the argument is about deportees being drugged, against their will, for the sole purpose of subduing them during deportation.
This argument isn't about whether or not they should stay, it's about the unethical, illegal treatment from ICE as we're sending them back.
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Beeboppin711 year, 6 months ago
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You amaze me. I read a lot of the stories on Propeller and I read most of the comments as well. There is always one constant - You never read the article. Why? But that's not what amazes me. What amazes me is that you're capable of reading but you'd rather not. You'd rather buy into the party line and you'll defend them at any cost. Why? What do you owe these PUBLIC SERVANTS who so blatantly ignore the rule of law in our country?
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DropkickaLib1 year, 6 months ago
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You amaze me. I read many stories and posts on Propeller and am amazed at what a Leftist schill you really are. You'd rather find an opportunity to take a jab at anything smacking of Conservative values than deal with the reality of the illegal immigration problem. Much more serious than a few drugged terrorists.
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Beau78901 year, 6 months ago
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Can you show anything in the article that says the people who were drugged are terrorists?
No, because it doesn't say that.
Not only that, but one of them had an appeals process underway. In other words, we don't know for sure that that person should have been deported at all.
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Beau78901 year, 6 months ago
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I know you aren't literal in most of your posts here, so I don't always take you entirely seriously, but the intent of your comments is clear.
Your logic demands that all criminals are terrorists. There is no mention of terrorism in this article about deportees being drugged. You say they're criminals, and call them terrorists because of it. And you see no reason for them to be able to argue in any way or appeal their cases.
You really might want to start worrying about driving over the limit. Especially--God forbid--if the Democrats get all that unchecked and secretive power Bush has had. ;-)
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Beeboppin711 year, 6 months ago
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"You amaze me. I read many stories and posts on Propeller and am amazed at what a Leftist schill you really are. You'd rather find an opportunity to take a jab at anything smacking of Conservative values than deal with the reality of the illegal immigration problem. Much more serious than a few drugged terrorists." - Dropkickalib
Now, this is a really rich comment full of proof that not only do you refuse to read the article but the comments accompanying it as well. So, for your benefit, I will state my position again. Then I will have to ask you for YOUR apology. I'm AGAINST ILLEGAL immigration. I have ACTIVELY fought against it with the Federation for American Immigration Reform. I have passed out petitions to be signed against the BUSH-Kennedy Amnesty Bill.
I am against any government agency who thinks they are above the laws of this nation.
Your apology...
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thoughtforsale1 year, 6 months ago
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Reading this just left me speechless. How can methods like this become a kind of "standard treatment" in a civilized country? After Guantanamo and these horrible findings, what dark secrets will be brought to light next? Torture and drugging are crimes and serious violations of human rights, never mind, who commits them!
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Beeboppin711 year, 6 months ago
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thoughtforsale - "How can methods like this become a kind of "standard treatment" in a civilized country?"
There are citizens in this country who lack critical thinking skills. They promote and support these illegal activities out of fear and ignorance. They lack the foresight to see that if these practices are not kept in check, it may be used against them in the future. If we allow one agency to ignore our laws, there is nothing to stop the rest of them from doing so.
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Beeboppin711 year, 6 months ago
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Normallysilent - "Beeboppin71, You wouldn't be in the law profession would ya. Just wondered, I think the Attorneys and liberal judges should be the next in line for the catapult idea. Bet I could make a fortune selling tickets to pull the lever."
Of course you feel this way now. I wonder if you'd feel the same if you were wrongfully accused of a crime and were in need of one of those attorney's you "catapulted" over the border. This could really be a problem if they privatize prisons. Prisons are paid by the state on a per prisoner, per day basis now. The capitalists would have a heyday exploiting and imprisoning innocent people for their personal gain. Just think of all the free labor they would have for their products.
Auschwitz, anyone?
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Beau78901 year, 6 months ago
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God forbid we should have laws and lawyers, normallystupid.
Let's just leave all governmental actions up to the whim of a "unitary executive."
And that, by the way, is pretty much the definition of a dictatorship. I'm pretty sure North Korea works that way. Perhaps you'd like you'd like to live there.
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Charlson1 year, 6 months ago
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Why do people in our government think it's okay to break laws while enforcing them? 'Do as I say and not what I do' is an attitude that invites scorn and who in their right mind would follow an idiot that had double standards, one for them and another for you? Bushbots?
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Grrr1 year, 6 months ago
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That IS the big carrot on the stick for the neo-con fascists.
The promise of the privilege of elitism.
Of course, they're so short sighted, self absorbed and ignorant of history that they don't realize that that is, in a nutshell, a very un-American ideal.
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Howtogo1 year, 6 months ago
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Interesting the article never mentioned what type of physical actions these deportees that received drugs were displaying before the drugs were administered. It did say "most deportees simply did not want to go home." If the deportees are physical in their refusals maybe the drugs are called for. I'm sure I would not want to be placed within the confines of an aircraft with a mad man or woman running up & down the isles screaming, cursing and throwing things around. The issue for me is; if they are drugged then there needs to be someone responsible for them sitting next to them in case of an emergency. I'm not sure we received all of the information we should have in this article.
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Candida1 year, 6 months ago
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Howtogo: "I'm sure I would not want to be placed within the confines of an aircraft with a mad man or woman running up & down the isles screaming, cursing and throwing things around."
You can't run up and down and throw things in shackles and handcuffs.
Those of us who read the article did receive the information. A nurse was sitting next to them, but that doesn't make the procedure legal.
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IzaBluByU1 year, 6 months ago
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I'm not gonna address this comment to anyone in particular, but I'm sure most will know. Why is it all you vain bloated p****s just love to criticize, but your heads are so far up your asses you can't see nothing but your own? Allowing liberalism a free reign in this nation is what led to all of this! You whine about what is right and then elevate the most twisted things of all. I dunno 'bout ya, but I'll take at least one for every round in my rifle..............
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IzaBluByU1 year, 6 months ago
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I'm not gonna address this comment to anyone in particular, but I'm sure most will know. Why is it all you vain bloated p****s just love to criticize, but your heads are so far up your asses you can't see nothing but your own? Allowing liberalism a free reign in this nation is what led to all of this! You whine about what is right and then elevate the most twisted things of all. I dunno 'bout ya, but I'll take at least one for every round in my rifle..............
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jeffieny1 year, 6 months ago
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Well, some people consider drugging or whatever as an acceptable ruling tool. Like it or not! What have become of us? That's an other question. Just don't do anything bad so you wont get drugged or what ever else goes on cause no one will care or help you (I certainly won't because I don't need no trouble by getting involved with someone supposed to be criminal, they may drug me too) and apparently not even you would be able to help you cause you will already be drugged! Come on, what is the possibility of you getting accidentally charged? You don't have a suspicious, none pure background or anything, do you? Just don't ****** anyone with power who can charge you with some fake claims. Live a simple quiet life and boy keep praying or just go and drug yourself anyway.
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