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Posted by: walden3 1 year, 7 months ago
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Beau78901 year, 7 months ago
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Since Congress usually exempts itself from restrictions it puts on other workplaces, it's really only a short ethical step to making exceptions for other government agencies and branches. The Supreme Court usually rationalizes such obvious BS for the power elites.
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BB641 year, 7 months ago
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Walden I agree with your sentiment, if the claims in the article if they're true. However, the Washington Compost isn't known for objective or fair reporting. They've had problems with fictional stories or more accurately, creative writing. I'd really like to see all of the evidence, be it reports, records and the like. They claim they're flying prisoners, being deported with medical escorts. There has to be more to this story we're not seeing. If not, if there's not good reason to waste our more taxpayer money and risk the prisoner's lives with this stuff, then I'm with you all the way. But I'd like to see more information.
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NoSpinDave1 year, 7 months ago
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walden31 year, 7 months ago
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I had to read your comment about five times and then I went back and read the story again. What do you dispute? Are you saying that the government isn't administering drugs? After reading the story again I think that you are barking up the wrong tree. The evidence seems pretty compelling.
"according to medical records, internal documents and interviews with people who have been drugged..."
"medical note..."
"according to an airline crew member's written account
nurse's account in his deportation file..."
"The few times officials have spoken of the practice, they have understated it, portraying sedation as rare and "an act of last resort."
"Hundreds of logs for the past five years, obtained by The Post..."
"Internal government records show..."
"they internally circulated a new policy..."
"The log says..."
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Beau78901 year, 7 months ago
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The drugs given in various combinations, their dosages, and information about the drugs and their effects, are listed in a sidebar on page 2 of the article, along with the numbers of detainees receiving specified ranges of dosages. I'd have copied and pasted, but it's way too long.
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Beau78901 year, 7 months ago
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WTF, NoSpine?
You could have negged the comment where I called you NoSpine (thanks for that one, Goppy, I like it), but you negged my purely factual answer to tanglang's question--an answer that contained no rudeness, insults or sarcasm.
If the lack of insults was your problem with that, I have plenty for you.
Or maybe you just don't like facts about pharmaceuticals? Or don't like to read?
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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Haldol, Lorazepam and cogentin? That's what this is about? I knew kids in high school who were on Lorazepam for their anxiety issues. Haldol and cogentin are often used together because cogentin takes care of some of the unwanted side effects of Haldol.
I think this might be a non issue.
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walden31 year, 7 months ago
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From the article, "Haldol gained notoriety in the Soviet Union, where it was often given to political dissidents imprisoned in psychiatric hospitals. "In the history of oppression, using haloperidol is kind of like detaining people in Abu Ghraib," the infamous prison in Iraq, said Nigel Rodley, who teaches international human rights law at the University of Essex in Britain and is a former United Nations special investigator on torture.
For people who are not psychotic, said Philip Seeman, a University of Toronto specialist in psychiatry and pharmacology, "prescribing Haldol . . . is medically and ethically wrong."
The only circumstances in which small amounts of Haldol are appropriate for non-psychotic people, Seeman said, are when a person comes into a hospital emergency room violent and agitated from an overdose of a drug such as PCP, or when someone with severe dementia is delusional or combative."
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hdthehn1 year, 7 months ago
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Ok Nospin-
You have me convinced with your eloquent response. I now believe everything that the conservative media you worship feeds me.
Thanks for straightening me out on this matter. I am humbled by your brilliance. I'm so not worthy, I'm so not worthy, I'm so not worthy, I'm so not worthy, I'm so not worthy, I'm so not worthy,â;¦..
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Beau78901 year, 7 months ago
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Ha! That's exactly what NoSpineDave means--don't believe anything the "liberal media" tells you. But believe EVERYTHING the government-sanctioned conservative media tells you.
If you believe anything he terms liberal, you're an idiot. If you question any media reports he agrees with, you're an idiot.
Clearly, everyone who doesn't agree with NoSpineDave is an idiot, including those who do their own research and those who don't watch TV.
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hdthehn1 year, 7 months ago
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NoSpin should have a look at this video
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/05/12/blast-...
I'd bet a weeks pay he admires Bill O for his extraordinary leadership, dignity and decency demonstrated in this one.
Yep I can see why Nospin admires Bill O for hero that he truly is.
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disraeli1 year, 7 months ago
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Davey,
I must confess that I agree with you, in part anyhow. Unfortunately the first four words of your comment seem to have the ring of truth to them.
Idiots in charge and idiots who let them be in charge. Overall the nation must have a slight majority of idiots.
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