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jovial1 year, 6 months ago
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nostalgia1 year, 6 months ago
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"Well maybe the heartland is not really ready yet for a Black President."
Painting with a pretty broad brush aren't you??
Have you already forgotten Iowa??
Only 2.5% of the population is Black and Obama won there
Iowa is more "heartland" than WV
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jovial1 year, 6 months ago
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"Well maybe" isn't a definitive statement. I said that to stimulate the discussion. Did you take that statement as I was talking about you? Most people that discuss politics on these forums here on Propeller are adept at looking into a politicians views on the issues. Unlike the general population that latches on to buzz words like elitist or Muslim or cut and run or tax and spend. Talking about elitist, McCain rides around on his wife's private jet. Clinton is a millionaire. Are we supposed to think that any of the politicians now running for President aren't elitist? It's a ludicrous argument, but the people of America (some of them) don't take out the time to find out. Instead they confirm their prejudices and suspicions with buzzwords they hear on Fox news, Cnn, etc. and vote accordingly.
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nostalgia1 year, 6 months ago
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"I said that to stimulate the discussion"
Seems like I have heard that excuse from you begore or am I confusing you with someone else?
"Are we supposed to think that any of the politicians now running for President aren't elitist? It's a ludicrous argument, but the people of America (some of them) don't take out the time to find out"
But the key is your ability to really relate to blue collar people
Obama didn't even try in WV. That just reinforces their opinion that he is an elitist
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jovial1 year, 6 months ago
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I sense anger coming from you directed at me. I don't really care, but don't accuse me of anything without solid proof. Yes, I quite frequently submit controversial stories to stimulate thought and discussion. If this type of venue gives you grief, the simple solution is to ignore it. Are you a West Virginian or are you an apologist for racism?
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nostalgia1 year, 6 months ago
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LOL Jovial
"I sense anger coming from you directed at me."
You're going to have to try much harder to make me angry
Actually I find most of your comments amusing
"Are you a West Virginian or are you an apologist for racism?"
A West Virginian - LOL are you?? You seem to think you know a lot about West Virginians
apologist for racism - do you even know what race I am??
Keep trying Jovial - my husband just asked what I am laughing at
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jordan111 year, 6 months ago
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As Obama started receiving threats as soon as he announced his candidacy, and seeing the 'intelligence' level of some of those W. Virginians, I wouldn't be at all surprised if staying away wasn't for safety reasons, rather than not wanting to address them. In the exit polls, 20% didn't mind declaring they voted against him because of his race. .
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nostalgia1 year, 6 months ago
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"20% didn't mind declaring they voted against him because of his race. "
"and seeing the 'intelligence' level of some of those W. Virginians"
Then how do you account for the fact that the exit polls showed Clinton won among those with a college degree, a group that usually belongs to Obama.
Wright was also a problem: Many voters â;; 49 percent â;; think Obama shares the controversial views of his former minister. Evidently, this is not a good thing, since 83 percent of the voters who feel this way voted for Clinton.
That may explain this result: 47 percent think Obama is honest and trustworthy; a majority â;; 51 percent â;; say he is not.
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jordan111 year, 6 months ago
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Then how do you account for the fact that the exit polls showed Clinton won among those with a college degree, a group that usually belongs to Obama.>>>>
I don't need to account for it. I'm talking about the 20% who voted for racial reasons. Of those who didn't, I have no quarrel. Well wait now, that's not entirely true. If some people can look at Obama's conduct in life, and still say he's been 'affected' by a militant preacher, then I'd have to say their reasoning abilities are skewed.
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obiefrommuskogee1 year, 6 months ago
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Why is it key to relate to blue collar people? As group, this demographic is getting smaller and smaller.
They don't have money to contribute to the party. Why is this demographic so important? It isn't.
If Hillary Clinton is the Al Sharpton of white folk, we won't be seeing much substance or support from Clinton or her supporters.
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hyperbola1 year, 6 months ago
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Frankly this video is a good example of american provincialism. Those who speak have been deprived of real information and analysis for so long that they are stuck in obsolete stereotypes that may make them feel "comfortable", but prevent them from even thinking about real problems and are damaging to their own future and that of our country.
I consider that the issue of "racism" in this election is typical of how "leaders" create phony issues to augment their own personal power and profit. Basically this depends on "tribalism" and under the influence of corrupt politicians, the US seems to be as susceptible to this as anywhere else in the world.
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hyperbola1 year, 6 months ago
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At the height of the war in the Balkans, I had a dear friend in Belgrade who in his small appartment had friends and family as refugees that were orthodox serbs, catholic croatians and moslem bosnians. All of them got along fine. It is corrupt leaders that create the "tribal divisions" - we have too many such corrupt polticians in the US trying to use "tribalism" for their own gain.
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walden31 year, 6 months ago
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You say that it's American provincialism, but you also say that the US is as susceptible as anywhere else in the world.
Isn't that the truth, that people are people, and people from all countries and all religions and all backgrounds discriminate for all kinds of irrational reasons.
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