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Posted By jovial 1 year, 7 months ago in NewsMany blue collar Democrats are not ready for a black president
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jovial1 year, 7 months ago
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nostalgia1 year, 7 months ago
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"Well maybe the heartland is not really ready yet for a Black President."
Painting with a pretty broad brush aren't you??
Have you already forgotten Iowa??
Only 2.5% of the population is Black and Obama won there
Iowa is more "heartland" than WV
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jovial1 year, 7 months ago
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"Well maybe" isn't a definitive statement. I said that to stimulate the discussion. Did you take that statement as I was talking about you? Most people that discuss politics on these forums here on Propeller are adept at looking into a politicians views on the issues. Unlike the general population that latches on to buzz words like elitist or Muslim or cut and run or tax and spend. Talking about elitist, McCain rides around on his wife's private jet. Clinton is a millionaire. Are we supposed to think that any of the politicians now running for President aren't elitist? It's a ludicrous argument, but the people of America (some of them) don't take out the time to find out. Instead they confirm their prejudices and suspicions with buzzwords they hear on Fox news, Cnn, etc. and vote accordingly.
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nostalgia1 year, 7 months ago
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"I said that to stimulate the discussion"
Seems like I have heard that excuse from you begore or am I confusing you with someone else?
"Are we supposed to think that any of the politicians now running for President aren't elitist? It's a ludicrous argument, but the people of America (some of them) don't take out the time to find out"
But the key is your ability to really relate to blue collar people
Obama didn't even try in WV. That just reinforces their opinion that he is an elitist
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jovial1 year, 7 months ago
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I sense anger coming from you directed at me. I don't really care, but don't accuse me of anything without solid proof. Yes, I quite frequently submit controversial stories to stimulate thought and discussion. If this type of venue gives you grief, the simple solution is to ignore it. Are you a West Virginian or are you an apologist for racism?
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nostalgia1 year, 7 months ago
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LOL Jovial
"I sense anger coming from you directed at me."
You're going to have to try much harder to make me angry
Actually I find most of your comments amusing
"Are you a West Virginian or are you an apologist for racism?"
A West Virginian - LOL are you?? You seem to think you know a lot about West Virginians
apologist for racism - do you even know what race I am??
Keep trying Jovial - my husband just asked what I am laughing at
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jordan111 year, 7 months ago
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As Obama started receiving threats as soon as he announced his candidacy, and seeing the 'intelligence' level of some of those W. Virginians, I wouldn't be at all surprised if staying away wasn't for safety reasons, rather than not wanting to address them. In the exit polls, 20% didn't mind declaring they voted against him because of his race. .
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nostalgia1 year, 7 months ago
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"20% didn't mind declaring they voted against him because of his race. "
"and seeing the 'intelligence' level of some of those W. Virginians"
Then how do you account for the fact that the exit polls showed Clinton won among those with a college degree, a group that usually belongs to Obama.
Wright was also a problem: Many voters â;; 49 percent â;; think Obama shares the controversial views of his former minister. Evidently, this is not a good thing, since 83 percent of the voters who feel this way voted for Clinton.
That may explain this result: 47 percent think Obama is honest and trustworthy; a majority â;; 51 percent â;; say he is not.
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jordan111 year, 7 months ago
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Then how do you account for the fact that the exit polls showed Clinton won among those with a college degree, a group that usually belongs to Obama.>>>>
I don't need to account for it. I'm talking about the 20% who voted for racial reasons. Of those who didn't, I have no quarrel. Well wait now, that's not entirely true. If some people can look at Obama's conduct in life, and still say he's been 'affected' by a militant preacher, then I'd have to say their reasoning abilities are skewed.
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obiefrommuskogee1 year, 7 months ago
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Why is it key to relate to blue collar people? As group, this demographic is getting smaller and smaller.
They don't have money to contribute to the party. Why is this demographic so important? It isn't.
If Hillary Clinton is the Al Sharpton of white folk, we won't be seeing much substance or support from Clinton or her supporters.
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hyperbola1 year, 7 months ago
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Frankly this video is a good example of american provincialism. Those who speak have been deprived of real information and analysis for so long that they are stuck in obsolete stereotypes that may make them feel "comfortable", but prevent them from even thinking about real problems and are damaging to their own future and that of our country.
I consider that the issue of "racism" in this election is typical of how "leaders" create phony issues to augment their own personal power and profit. Basically this depends on "tribalism" and under the influence of corrupt politicians, the US seems to be as susceptible to this as anywhere else in the world.
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hyperbola1 year, 7 months ago
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At the height of the war in the Balkans, I had a dear friend in Belgrade who in his small appartment had friends and family as refugees that were orthodox serbs, catholic croatians and moslem bosnians. All of them got along fine. It is corrupt leaders that create the "tribal divisions" - we have too many such corrupt polticians in the US trying to use "tribalism" for their own gain.
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walden31 year, 7 months ago
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You say that it's American provincialism, but you also say that the US is as susceptible as anywhere else in the world.
Isn't that the truth, that people are people, and people from all countries and all religions and all backgrounds discriminate for all kinds of irrational reasons.
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Beau78901 year, 7 months ago
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I think it's just depressing. No one interviewed could give a single valid reason--that is, a reason having to do with an issue that affects them--to vote for any of the candidates. Not even the ones who said they'd vote for Obama.
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nostalgia1 year, 7 months ago
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vor1 year, 7 months ago
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That talk extends all the way through the Deep South. He has the same issues among the white lower and middle class voters there as he had in WV. This is the exact demographic to which all of those poisonous emails were directed and those will continue to be sent by the millions. These people read something once about a Democrat or anyone with liberal leanings (McCain in SC in '00) and they believe it as fact. Never cross checking references or checking the source.
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jovial1 year, 7 months ago
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Good point, V.O.R. It's like the Muslim thing. Muslims in cahoots with Osama bin Laden attacked the World Trade Center. Most educated and informed people know that this was done by a radical faction of Islam that was based in Afghanistan. The uneducated and uninformed took the opinion that all Muslims were bad and they needed to be re-educated and turned into a Secular government. A good Arab christian nation. They are throwing billions of dollars away everyday and causing death and destruction on the people they try to liberate. They see nothing wrong with this. Yet abortion is bad. Dropping a 5000 pound bomb on a city is good. Sorry I wandered off.
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 7 months ago
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It is a depressing state filled with hillbillies.
Their education system is abysmal, and (garbage)what you put in is (garbage) what you get out.
The lord's gonna make their lives better!
Ever see how many roadside crosses there are in W. Va.??
(they have many unburnt ones left over)
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jovial1 year, 7 months ago
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It's not just West Virginia. In a related story from the Washington Post.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...
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greenmac1 year, 7 months ago
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I was in Memphis in 1968 .... that was the first time I witnessed racism .... I didn't like it one bit and I have hated all my life. I fail to understand the racist mentality. Where does a person get the idea that they are superior to another based on race or color. In some parts of the world society has not evolved that much. I guess I can't judge everyone by a few.... but each of us should not sit quietly by when racism raises its ugly head. I don't care if it is a family member or close friend, let the person know if you think a remark or action is racist. One person at a time...one person at a time is my motto when it comes to fighting racism.
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Spadecaller1 year, 7 months ago
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And Clinton's proud of winning with these voters? This video depicts racism against people of color, bigotry towards all Muslims, and astounding ignorance.
I've experienced anti-Semitism and racism in many places and in many situations all around this country, and I have noticed that often it festers worse in specific areas.
Hopefully the next president will not need West Virginia to win the election, despite the fact that there are still a significan number of West Virginians that would support Obama despite the color of his skin and the idiotic rumors about his background.
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walden31 year, 7 months ago
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If there was a candidate of your state who was openly gay do you think she'd get the gay vote?
I'm not saying it's right, in fact it's wrong. It's just interesting and got me to thinking. I bet it has to do with the fact that we (me, some of us, most of us)must assume that someone who looks like us, goes to the same church as us, eats the same food as us or whatever is concerned with the same things we are.
I'm sure prejudice is just as prevalent in San Francisco or Minneapolis as it is in West Virginia.
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jovial1 year, 7 months ago
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Damn right it is. Got interviewed to be a mechanic at United Airlines in the early 90's. As I was negotiating my salary, the interviewer said, "Why should you need more than 16 dollars an hour? You can get a place in Oakland being that your African American." Needless to say I walked out and never returned. One good thing about it was I got a free airline ticket and stayed in San Francisco and had quite a good time.
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 7 months ago
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Ahhh....not if it represents civil rights, which the blacks have as a valid issue, or Israel, which the Jews find important to them, or women's rights in the workplace etc..
Why, are whites struggling to prevent a ban on bad dancing
or whiskey?
These people are not voting FOR someone, they're voting AGAINST a black man, or is it against a Muslim?
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