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Bkumm1 year, 7 months ago
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If you can sit there an honestly say that you wouldn't call BS on a Democrat like, oh say, Barack Obama going over to Israel and calling President Bush and Senator McCain "appeasers" then you have something.
And I don't think you can do that.
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Bkumm1 year, 7 months ago
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Who wasn't talking about Senator Obama? President Bush? Of course he was.
""Some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along," Bush said at Israel's 60th anniversary celebration."
That's absolutely talking about Senator Obama, among others, who have said that we should sit down and talk with those that wish us harm.
What's wrong with talking to people? And what conditions would you place on a discussion? Only green M&M's?
By the way, appeasement means:
"to buy off (an aggressor) by concessions usually at the sacrifice of principles"
Senator Obama has NEVER said that he would sacrifice his or America's principles in talking to those that wish us harm. What he is suggesting we do is this:
"a discussion between representatives of parties to a conflict that is aimed at resolution "
It's called dialogue NOT appeasement.
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Bkumm1 year, 7 months ago
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He was not talking about just Senator Obama, but even White House aids admit that it was meant as a comment against the stated policy of Senator Obama of dialogue with those that wish us ill.
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Lurch1 year, 7 months ago
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I guess Bush was talking about McCain being an appeaser since McCain said we would have to talk to Hamas in 2006.
With friends like that...
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Lurch1 year, 7 months ago
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LOL. This is from a person who has defended the 9/11 enabler, the guy who let OBL go, the guy who kisses the Saudi prince, the guy who gives Musharraf a free pass on tyranny and harboring terrorists. This from the guy who gave Al Sadr a free pass in order to quiet the Sadr army while prolonging the war profiteering and GIs getting killed.
Chamberlain is a tiger compared to Bush. Who let 9/11 happen on his watch despite the dire warnings, and then let OBL go from Bora-Bora and still cannot be bothered to go after the terrorist behind 9/11, USS Cole, and more?
Nah, nobody appeases like Bush, but McCain is sure aiming to take that title. Look at how he capitulated to the people in his own party on the most important issue in his life - torture.
If he appeases the Bushies on torture, what and who won`t he appease.
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Radiofreeeuropa1 year, 7 months ago
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More denial and obfuscating from those with "no knowledge". Why the Bush apologists even bother their fruitless typing is a matter worthy of anthropological concern. We can easily look at their previous comments and submissions and see that they have not been on the right side of a single issue since they began fumbling around on their keyboards. Their only value is to use whatever dim view they espouse, as a method of determining the polar opposite to be the truth.
It was an insult for Bush to use the occasion to make cheap political potshots. His obvious ploy was an indignity to the office and the country he continues to embarrass.
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Aidenag1 year, 7 months ago
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Yeah i don't know where your getting this Alpha, Bush Aides have openly said that this was aimed at Obama...
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injest1 year, 7 months ago
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By the way, appeasement means:
"to buy off (an aggressor) by concessions usually at the sacrifice of principles"
Senator Obama has NEVER said that he would sacrifice his or America's principles in talking to those that wish us harm. What he is suggesting we do is this:
Actually Obama said he would "engage in aggressive personal diplomacy" with Iran if elected president, and would offer economic inducements and a possible promise not to seek "regime change" if Iran stopped meddling in Iraq and cooperated on terrorism and nuclear issues.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/02/us/politics/0...
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mesodude1 year, 7 months ago
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""to buy off (an aggressor) by concessions usually at the sacrifice of principles"
--So it's ok to cut deals with Libya and N. Korea (um, wait...aren't they supposed to be part of the "Axis of Evil?) but to even suggest diplomacy with anyone Bushco decides is a terrorist amounts to "appeasement." How convenient...
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Bkumm1 year, 7 months ago
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How is offering economic inducements sacrificing our principles? It isn't at all, in fact, that's the American way.
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mesodude1 year, 7 months ago
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I think a wingers concept of what qualifies as corrupt is a little suspect after the last 8 years, aniokly. ;-)
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Radiofreeeuropa1 year, 7 months ago
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Since corruption is essentially driven by greed, it's a stretch to attribute this quality to a man who turned down myriads of offers from the extremely lucrative world of corporate law to work for little or nothing serving the poor in his community.
This means so much coming from those who defended Enron, Foley, Tom Delay, Katherine Harris, and "Duke" Cunningham.
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Lurch1 year, 7 months ago
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Oh pleeeeeeeeze AG.
You know as well as everybody on here that Bush was taking an underhanded punch to Obama`s groin.
>Barack would meet with a true Holocaust denier with NO CONDITIONS.
LOFL. Maybe you should listen to what Obama says Obama says instead of what some proven liars say that Obama says for a change.
Bush himself has used negotiations to lower violence and get back hostages. Reagan used negotiations to peacefully end the cold war. JFK used negotations to peacefully end the Cuban Missile Crisis.
The amount of history, even Bush`s own history, that slaps Bush`s stupid-arse un-presidential attack in the face is infinite.
How did we end WWII without an invasion? Again, negotiations - the Japanese surrendered after both sides compromised allowing the Emperor to avoid trial if he admitted being a regular human and not a deity.
Bush owes Obama an apology.
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injest1 year, 7 months ago
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In fact the Senator, Bush referred to was William Borah who, on hearing of the Nazi invasion of Poland in 1939, lamented: "Lord, if only I could have talked with Hitler, ..
Are there parallels tween Borah and Obama?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Edgar_Borah
William Edgar Borah
was a prominent attorney and longtime United States Senator from Idaho noted for his oratorical skills and isolationist views.
AKA "The Lion of Idaho.
From 1925 to 1933, Borah served as the Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. As Chairman, he became known for his pro-Soviet views, favoring recognition of the Communist regime, and sometimes interceded with that government in an unofficial capacity during the period when Moscow had no official relations with the United States. Purportedly, Kremlin officials held Borah in such high esteem that American citizens could gain permission to travel throughout the Soviet Union with nothing more than a letter from the Senator.
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mesodude1 year, 7 months ago
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This is too rich coming from someone who twice voted for a guy who requires Secret Service supervision to eat a pretzel, who doesn't know the difference between Australia and Austria, and who confuses APEC with OPEC. And don't get me started on chimp's cutesy phonetic cue cards. On second thought...
Nicolas Sarkozy (sar-KO-zee)
Robert Mugabe (moo-GAH-bee)
Kyrgyzstan (KEYR-geez-stan)
Mauritania (moor-EH-tain-ee-a)
Harare (hah-RAR-ray)
*giggle*
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Lurch1 year, 7 months ago
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My bad. It turns out Bush was talking about McCain being an appeaser because he said we would have to talk to the legitimately elected govt of Hamas in 2006.
With friends like that...
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Lurch1 year, 7 months ago
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McAppeaser already followed up with the same coordinated attack point.
Did JFK appease during the Cuban Missile Crisis?
Did Reagan appease during the collapse of the Soviet Union?
Obama, JFK, and Reagan...all appeasers huh?
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Radiofreeeuropa1 year, 7 months ago
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What historical evidence is there of any dispute being resolved by refusal to allow communications? ....
There is none.
You can't even resolve a dispute over a errant garbage pail lid without talking.
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jimdoze1 year, 7 months ago
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"You can't even resolve a dispute over a errant garbage pail lid without talking."
Sure you can. I do it all the time. I pick up my own garbage pail lid when I see it's errant. And, I pick up the neighbors' lids and place them back on their respective cans when I see that they're errant. Some might think I'm a bully that way. But, I've yet to speak to any of them about their lids.
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injest1 year, 7 months ago
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Bkumm
If you can sit there an honestly say that you wouldn't call BS on a Democrat like, oh say, Barack Obama going over to Israel and calling President Bush and Senator McCain "appeasers" then you have something.
And I don't think you can do that"
Uhm ya mean like this ? Bkumm?
Kerry: U.S. A "Pariah" Nation Under Bush
Senator Blasts Administration For Failing To Properly Address Foreign Policy Issues
DAVOS, Switzerland, Jan. 27, 2007
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/27/polit...
And if ya go to the article the Kerry is pictured with is Former President of Iran Mohammad Khatami,
"When we walk away from global warming, Kyoto, when we are irresponsibly slow in moving toward AIDS in Africa, when we don't advance and live up to our own rhetoric and standards, we set a terrible message of duplicity and hypocrisy," Kerry said.
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injest1 year, 7 months ago
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Bkumm
"If you can sit there an honestly say that you wouldn't call BS on a Democrat like, oh say, Barack Obama going over to Israel and calling President Bush and Senator McCain "appeasers" then you have something.
And I don't think you can do that."
Uhm ya mean like this ? Bkumm
Kerry: U.S. A "Pariah" Nation Under Bush
Senator Blasts Administration For Failing To Properly Address Foreign Policy Issues
DAVOS, Switzerland, Jan. 27, 2007
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/27/polit...
And if ya go to the article the Kerry is pictured with is Former President of Iran Mohammad Khatami,
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injest1 year, 7 months ago
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"When we walk away from global warming, Kyoto, when we are irresponsibly slow in moving toward AIDS in Africa, when we don't advance and live up to our own rhetoric and standards, we set a terrible message of duplicity and hypocrisy," Kerry said.
"So we have a crisis of confidence in the Middle East â;; in the world, really. I've never seen our country as isolated, as much as a sort of international pariah for a number of reasons as it is today."â;¦
Kerry criticized what he called the "unfortunate habit" of Americans to see the world "exclusively through an American lens."
He said this while seated next to the former CEO of one of the world's foremost terrorist states, which as we speak is working on building nuclear weapons, bankrolling Hezbollah's efforts to foment civil war in Lebanon and Hamas's exterminationist jihad against Israel, and supplying Shiite militias with IEDs to kill American soldiers in Iraq.
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injest1 year, 7 months ago
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Donald
Apparently you didn't understand the statement Bkumm said,
You completely missed the point.
The point is making these kind of statements OVERSEAS!
"Bkumm
Barack Obama going over to Israel and calling President Bush and Senator McCain "appeasers" then you have something.
"going over to Israel and calling"
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injest1 year, 7 months ago
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Donald
"the main context is Dumya saying one thing and finally realizing that he was wrong later!"
I'm absolutely sure he knew he was in Israel. Did ya notice his words referenced WW2, Nazi Germany and never again?
The part about Chamberlain "peace in our time" appeasement.
Do you know about WW2?
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mesodude1 year, 7 months ago
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donald51, fliplops were out in the fall of '04 but they (and "Crocs," ironically enough) roared back into popularity this spring and the GOP electorate can't get enough of 'em. ;-P
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Lurch1 year, 7 months ago
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you are grasping at straws injest.
Nothing wrong with the truth. It is anti-American lies that we protest and demand McCain denounce!
How would you feel if Edwards insinuated that Bush was like Hitler?
You would demand an apology from Edwards and demand Obama denounce Edwards` words, and reasonably so.
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injest1 year, 7 months ago
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Donald
"Injest gets his revisionist history from folks like Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter!"
Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter are writing Obama's web site?
From Obama's web site
Diplomacy: Obama is the only candidate who supports tough, direct presidential diplomacy with Iran without preconditions.
And where is your apology Donald?
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Lurch1 year, 7 months ago
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No, you`re thinking of Bush, the 9/11 appeaser, who later let OBL go.
Appeasing and enabling. Bush has already out Chamberlained Chamberlaine himself.
Oh, next time you call in to Rush, ask him to ask Bush how he negotiated and re-negotiated the truce with Al Sadr.
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Lurch1 year, 7 months ago
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heh, heh, and it turns out McSame said we would need to negotiate with Hamas all the way back in 2006.
So for you cons it was ok back then, but as soon as the black guy says it, it`s against all moral standards, right?
GL with that hypocrisy and completely naive stance.
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Lurch1 year, 7 months ago
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Yeah, Obama is acting presidential and McCain is acting like the wimpy punk who talks tough and starts fights whenever he has a lot of big guys around.
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injest1 year, 7 months ago
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Lurch
"Nothing wrong with the truth"
So why the problem with stating the obvious?
Obama has stated many time that he is willing to engage in direct presidential diplomacy with Iran without preconditions.
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Lurch1 year, 7 months ago
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> Obama has stated many time that he is willing to engage in direct presidential diplomacy with Iran without preconditions.
Links plz.
Here, let me restate the obvious. Bush has crossed the line on decency in campaigns and owes Obama and America an apology. McCain, instead of rising about the character assassinations and negative campaigning he promised to avoid, jumped right on board.
McCain needs to explain why he has not denounced Bush`s words. Even conservatives like Tucker Carlson are attacking both Bush and McCain over this ridiculous and transparent attempt to pull a swiftboat.
Here`s more stating the obvious. I have heard Obama say he will engage in direct presidential diplomacy with conditions, several times.
Funny thing, McCain says the same thing when you get past the all-hat, no cattle rhetoric. Even today McCain said he would engage in discussions with Iran, oh the appeaser! lol.
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 7 months ago
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''Obama has stated many time that he is willing to engage in direct presidential diplomacy with Iran without preconditions''
talking is not appeasing, as bk pointed out
talking is talking
diplomacy with preconditions is not diplomacy
its cart before the horse diplomacy
its not inclusive, which is sort of the point of true diplomacy
I mean really, 'do as we say first and then we'll talk'
where is the incentive to talk then?
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'' Obama has stated many time that he is willing to engage in direct presidential diplomacy with Iran without preconditions.''
Obviously Obama should be tossed in jail for even suggesting such a thing.
much better to call them 'a rogue state' 'axis of evil' and accuse them of sponsoring use of IED's in Iraq with no proof, and keep up the war rhetoric
Now THATS diplomacy
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not2needy1 year, 7 months ago
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Wasn't Biden the candidate all the cons were rallying around during the debates? Wonder how they can justify trashing Biden now?
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Radiofreeeuropa1 year, 7 months ago
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Only an idiot would believe that not talking to people you disagree with somehow solves anything.
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injest1 year, 7 months ago
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FTA
"He quoted Gates saying Wednesday that we "need to figure out a way to develop some leverage and then sit down and talk with them.""
"Develop some leverage"
AND THEN
sit down and talk with them
That sounds like a precondition to me.
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mesodude1 year, 7 months ago
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ITA but not surprisingly, tonight CNN has already mentioned the Biden "bullsh*t" quote (horrors--he done sayed a bad wurd, America!) at least twice as many times as they've allowed us to hear Bush sleazily trading on the memory of the Holocaust as he desperately tries to rescue his imploding party.
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SpareChange1 year, 7 months ago
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Amazing that Bush would say all this stuff about Obama and the nazis while
Bush's grandfather made their forture off of the nazis and was a nazi sympathizer.
Bush has a lot of nerve going to Isreal when his grand pappy was on the board of directors of a company that used Jewish labor in auschwitz
it is Bullsh!t
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