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Posted By Bkumm 1 year, 7 months ago in News"This is bullsh*t. This is malarkey. This is outrageous. Outrageous for the president of the United States to go to a foreign country, sit in the Knessetââ;¬Â¦and make this kind of ridiculous statement," Biden said angrily in a brief interview just off the Senate floor.
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Bkumm1 year, 7 months ago
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Bkumm1 year, 7 months ago
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FTA:
"The chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee Joe Biden, D-Delaware, called President Bush's comments accusing Sen. Barack Obama and other Democrats of wanting to appease terrorists "bulls**t" and said if the president disagrees so strongly with the idea of talking to Iran then he needs to fire his secretaries of State and Defense, both of whom Biden said have pushed to sit down with the Iranians."
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Bkumm1 year, 7 months ago
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Look, I know there are a hundred links to Prescott Bush, so don't post 'em, but I don't buy the whole NAZI sympathizer thing.
There were a lot of people (including Jews) who did business with Germany at a very dark time in the world. Many, if not most of them, came to regret it. It was a bad deal all the way around.
I don't care about what his grandfather did, unlike God, I don't hold the sins of the father against the son. But, he's done enough over the last eight years that we don't have to look any further up the family tree.
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Lurch1 year, 7 months ago
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likewise for something the grandmother, or the grandmother`s neighbor, or the business colleague said or did 40 years ago.
Oh, wait a minute, you added the disclaimer that `he's done enough over the last eight years that we don't have to look any further up the family tree`.
Well, in that case, better put all the non-issues back on the table because the cons don`t have anything on Barack and it would be unfair to put them at such a disadvantage, don`t you think?
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SpareChange1 year, 7 months ago
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Why don't you buy the Nazi sympathizer thing when you know there's so much data about it? Doing any bit of research on prescott shows his thirst for money and power.
What makes you think that this internationally elite, legacy family doesn't have a world view that's handed down between generations?
A world view that involves contempt for the little guy, make a buck off war (Bush Sr and Carlil) and suffering, in business with shady characters (Bush Sr watching 911 with a Bin Ladin)
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 7 months ago
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I think it matters. The way family works is things are handed down, values and the like. [confer Barbara Bush's post Katerina astrodome 'sympathies']
so while it matters, and while 'the father's eat the sour grapes and their children's teeth are set on edge' [a honey of a bible quote is ever there was one, meaning the actions and character of the father, the 'sins' as you [and other bible quotes] put it, are visited from generation to generation-justice and innocence have little to do with it, it is unfortunately how existence works.
you can give Prescott the benefit of the doubt and say he was just lookin to make a buck and didn't care how,but surely you can see where such an attitude has been handed down thru the family?
you are right: if we want to use the higher standard of human justice and not natural laws and rhythms inherent in existence, we should forget Bush family history and let every man, as the rest of the 'grapes' quote says, 'die for his own sin'
It's only Wright...
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Bkumm1 year, 7 months ago
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I'm not saying that family character doesn't matter, I'm saying that whether or not Prescott Bush was a "NAZI" sympathizer is irrelevant to the current President. He may be a money grubbing, no account sleazeball like his grand-dad or he could be a basically (as far as I can tell) decent man like his father. I know which side I'd err on, but we must judge each person on their own merits (or in this case lack thereof) and not on the merits of their associations.
As you say, it's only Wright.
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Bkumm1 year, 7 months ago
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I didn't like his politics, but I respected (respect) the man.
Any Republican in that day and age who would stand up, after pledging to not raise taxes KNOWING that it was a political liability, but still the right thing for the country, gets my respect.
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Radiofreeeuropa1 year, 7 months ago
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Although Bkumm, Prescott continued well after the war started; records released through the freedom of information act in 2003 show his dealings continued until 1952. 10 years after many of his companies were ceased for "doing business with the enemy". Whether he sympathized, (his involvement in a coup attempt here in the US in 1933 indicates where he stood) or whether he simply was willing to commit treason for profit makes little difference. I base this on his actions after the War began and Nazi atrocities were well known. Not on the pre war years which could be seen as "innocent" (hesitating to use the word).
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mesodude1 year, 7 months ago
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"Biden is a small, stupid man. It's why he said "Bullsh1t". His vocabulary is too small to come up with anything else."
--Locky, why are you acting like an "islama-fascist"? Are you having a "nucular" meltdown or what? Like America's children, is you learned anything over the last 8 years? Before you go and "misunderestimate" Joe Biden (after all, "bullsh*t is a word that actually appears in the dictionary), you might wanna look up all the words Bush has made up over the years (I recommend you start with a search using "the Google"). Why don't cons used "the Internets" more often? ;-(
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donald511 year, 7 months ago
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...but he has failed at all his foriegn policy... one of the best cases being the pardon of the greatest black marketeer (Kahn of Pakistan) of nuclear technolgy sold to N. Korea, Libya and Iran just to mention a few.
His do nothing approach when the Israelis invaded Lebanon has only fired up and emboldened Hezbollah to begin taking over the country too!
The best foreign policy move he could make now is to turn himself over with his cohorts to the World Court for multiple war crimes against humanity for which this country hanged perpetrators for after WW2.
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Lurch1 year, 7 months ago
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And Cheney violated US law as CEO of Halliburton by trading with Saddam through the French Halliburton subsidiary during the embargo.
Principles? not in the Bush admin and McCain has proven that if he`ll capitulate to these fascists, he`ll capitulate to anybody.
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bluetexasvalley1 year, 7 months ago
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wtagg1 year, 7 months ago
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Lurch1 year, 7 months ago
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Like Bush has NOT negotiated with the terrorists, Hamas, or whomever?
F` me you lying hypocritical POS!
90% of the improvement in the violence level in Iraq was due to the Bush admin getting their thumbs out of their arses and negotiating with ALL sides. They granted Al Sadr a safe haven in Sadr City, so he called a truce and that saved more GIs than any `surge` in truth.
Bush not only negotiates with our enemies, he kisses them: (choose yer link)
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=bush kiss saudi prince&um=...
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Lurch1 year, 7 months ago
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Who meets with the Saudis? Who meets with Musharraf?
Who enables the financial supporters and enablers of OBL and AQ?
Either this admin puts war profits ahead of 4,000 GI lives, or they have not clue ONE about how diplomacy or negotiations work and should not be trying to tell others what to do.
JFK used negotiations to stop nuclear war in Cuban missile crisis. Reagan used negotiations to peacefully end the cold war. If Bush/McCain would have been president at those crucial times, they would not have passed up the `opportunity` to start counter-productive and incredibly costly war. It would not be their arses on the line and they would naturally get rich, so what the heck eh.
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donald511 year, 7 months ago
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Reagan just happened to be the one in office when the Soviet Union collapsed as Eisenhower said it would. Eisenhower had to tell all those right wingers after WW2 that Patton didn't have to continue the war against the Russians - the Russians would defeat themselves, as Sadam would have too!
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Lurch1 year, 7 months ago
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The Dems should demand an apology from Bush and demand that McCain denounce Bush`s BS statement. Without a doubt.
What Bush said is not only nonsensical and hypocritical, it is down-right below the decency of the office of the President fo the USA.
Bush owes Obama and America an apology.
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antibrainwasher1 year, 7 months ago
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Interesting thought. The last believer....
In the Phillipines, the Japanese soldiers were found in caves in the jungle 10 years after the war had ended, still fighting the war.....
global warming is a liberal plot, and scientific evidence is just anti-christian communist liberal propaganda.......
cigarettes don't cause cancer......
don't tell me how to live, I can own slaves if I want.....
fight 'em there, so we don't have to fight 'em there.....
Yellow cake......
Iraq had something to do with 911.......
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antibrainwasher1 year, 7 months ago
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More BS:
Dropping bombs and getting shot down and imprisioned for it makes you a hero. Burning children with incinderary napalm from 10,000 feet is heroic.....BS
A 73 year old man can run the country, without being run by the neocon billionaires who are running Bush....BS
The american media is owned and run by americans, loyal to america....Complete 100% BS.
If Saudi's planned, financed and executed 911, its a great idea to bomb Iraq, who we backed to fight Iran, who we are now going to bomb.....BS.
No way that neocon Jews loyal to Israel own and control 100% of all tv news, tv programming, newspapers, investigative journalism, radio stations, pay and control Drug Lamebaugh, pay and control Bill O'Reily, pay and control John Stewart, Bill Mahr, Howard Stern....BS.
Arabs didn't really bail out Bush from his failed Texas Oil bidness, and buy him a baseball team....BS
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Poulenc1 year, 7 months ago
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Bluetexas, in re Alpha G: "Well, she has to live up to her [former] name...."
Oh, goodie! I thought I was the ONLY one who felt, because of style (e. g., the preponderance of posted quotes); the "flirtatious" or chummy banter with posters of like mind; and the the general vibe, not to mention the politics, that she was in fact our old friend/nemesis LUVMYPREZ!
And I DO think she is.
Yoo-hoo, LUV/AG! Come out, come out wherever you are!
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Poulenc1 year, 7 months ago
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(Oh, goodie! I thought I was the ONLY one who felt, because of style (e. g., the preponderance of posted quotes); the "flirtatious" or chummy banter with posters of like mind; and the the general vibe, not to mention her politics, that she was in fact our old friend/nemesis LUVMYPREZ!
And I DO think she is!
Yoo-hoo, LUV/AG! Come out, come out wherever you are!)
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bamababy1 year, 7 months ago
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So what I am gathering is this: You people or some of you at least think it better to start a war and allow our brave mwn and women in our God forsaken military, that is already stretched beyond it's capability, than try negotiating peace and mutual understanding. I taught my son at a very early age to use his WORDS when angry,upset even outraged at a perceived wrong against him. Violence begets violence and nothing good ever comes from it. Yes there are times when war is inevitable, but the old addage, keep your friends close,but keep your enimies closer, ring any bells out there? Look at the mess GWB & CO. have made and now will walk away from for someone else to clean up. A mere child in a grown ups world. He can't and couldn't handle.
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MaFromTennessee1 year, 7 months ago
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This post from a thread on race42008.com is very eloquent
PabloZed Says:
May 15th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
I think its hairsplitting to say we can meet on every level but the top level and somehow its some capital offense to go all the way. Under Bush the US has made agreements with Libya and Qaddafi even though he admitted to blowing up that Pan Am jet. We are in talks with Korea. And we should be. Secretary of Defense said just yesterday that we need to meet with Iran.
But the worst part of all of this is that Bush has made himself now a campaign issue and a surrogate for McCain. I even think this whole thing was coordinated. Foolishly.
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MaFromTennessee1 year, 7 months ago
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I found this thread on the race42008.com blog, very eloquent
PabloZed Says:
May 15th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
I think its hairsplitting to say we can meet on every level but the top level and somehow its some capital offense to go all the way. Under Bush the US has made agreements with Libya and Qaddafi even though he admitted to blowing up that Pan Am jet. We are in talks with Korea. And we should be. Secretary of Defense said just yesterday that we need to meet with Iran.
But the worst part of all of this is that Bush has made himself now a campaign issue and a surrogate for McCain. I even think this whole thing was coordinated. Foolishly.
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doppich1 year, 7 months ago
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askripko's submittal from a couple of months ago says it well...
http://humor.propeller.com/story/2008/03/14/hom...
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