Karl Rove; Fabricating Indictments against Democrats »
Posted By Spadecaller 1 year, 5 months ago in NewsMSNBC's Dan Abrams questions Karl Rove's outrageous refusal to appear before Congress regarding serious allegations that he used the US Justice Department to take down a prominent Democratic politician. Did Rove instigate the prosecution of former Alabama Governor Don Siegleman? Will Congress force Rove to testify before Congress?
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Spadecaller1 year, 5 months ago
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Robert Wexler
"If Rove refuses to testify voluntarily and ignores the subpoenas that will certainly be issued, he should be held in Inherent Contempt of the House of Representatives.
No American is above the law. None of us should be able to ignore Congress without consequence. If Mr. Rove ignores a subpoena from the Judiciary Committee, then the House of Representatives should pass an Inherent Contempt citation and exercise our right to send the House Sergeant-of-Arms to gather Mr. Rove and bring him before Congress to testify."
"Enough is enough. We have a Constitutional obligation to provide accountability to a White House that is trying usurp the constitutional powers of Congress."
Bravo To Robert Wexler. We must demand that Congress stand up to hoodlums and renegades like Rove, Cheney, Meyers, Roberto Gonsalez, and Mukasey. Without a Congress, there is no government of or by the people. And right now we do not have a Congress.
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injest1 year, 5 months ago
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Federal prosecution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Siegelman#cite...
FWIKI
"Alabama's U.S. Attorneys began a criminal investigation of Governor Siegelman in 1999 based on accusations of corruption while in office. In 2004, Siegelman was indicted, and in 2006 was convicted on corruption charges."
So how did Rove get the Alabama's U.S. Attorneys in 1999 to begin an investigation of Siegelman?
Rove had nothing to do with the Federal government in 1999.
"In short, Siegelman as lieutenant governor from 1995 to 1999 and governor from 1999 to 2003 was accused of trading government favors for campaign donations."
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Spadecaller1 year, 5 months ago
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Radiofreeeuropa1 year, 5 months ago
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Deadly serious indeed. This calculated attack by the Bush administration on our constitution is nothing less than treason. By placing incompetent lackeys in key roles the entire administration has gotten away with crimes against the state, the international community, and indeed humanity.
Will congress show signs of life? It is their duty!
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memestryker1 year, 5 months ago
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Karl Rove is clever--I'm convinced the only reason Bush is president is because of him. He managed to stay just out of reach when the Swift Boat campaign against John Kerry took off--although the key players associated with it were only one degree of separation from Rove.
He knows how to dance along the edge of the law, and because he has links to the most powerful (and could probably bring them down if they allow him to fall), he survives to do it again and again.
This is an administration where the Vice President claimed not to be part of the Executive Branch of government. They feed on a combination of corporatism and ignorance. At election time, Rove screams "abortion!" "gay rights!" and the religious right all hurry to the polls in a rush of doctrinal frenzy. After the election, it's business as usual.
This is one powerful man who is an absolute genius at manipulating public opinion and simultaneously rewarding the base.
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Amazing11 year, 5 months ago
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It is serious indeed that things have gone on this long. This president should be impeached. His Vice president should be impeached. Feith, Rove, Rumsfield and Rice should all be FIRED. Mukassey should never have been confirmed. Goon=zales should be brought up on charges as well. This gang of criminals has done more to undermine our Constitution than any other gang of thugs in history.
We are a long way from the people who pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to bring this country into being. The yahoos currently in power have no comprehension of what the hell SACRED HONOR is.
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Blackacereturn1 year, 5 months ago
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"manipulating the justice system" They have already set up the Justice to put this into action...they went as far as to try and pass a law that would make their appointees a for live appointment. Sensible so a republican congress shot it down after a tun of pressure from the DEM in congress and MSNBC/CNN/NYTimes. Here is what scares me, they have the capacity to steal this election and then have the justices they planted rule in their favor, god knows our supreme court will.
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jordan111 year, 5 months ago
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http://topics.law.cornell.edu/wex/contempt_of_c...
In February, Congress held Meirs and Bolton in contempt for their refusal to testify on the same issue. As required, the contempt charges were turned over to the US Attorney in D.C. to prosecute. When they hold Rove in contempt, he too will be turned over to this U.S. attorney, who has jurisdiction. BUT.....
The D.C. US attorney is Jeffery Taylor. He was counselor to Gonzalez & Ashcroft, & was an aide to Orrin Hatch. He's in thick with CONS, and nothing will be done to these people. CONS have carefully inundated the judiciary system with their pals.
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Ditto681 year, 5 months ago
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We Allowed it to happen, I think that is the biggest problem. The American People are scared to death of having to look inward, and admit we were fooled. It seems to be the popular thing to do anymore , is to try and cover it up with one bad decision after another.
Liteally a Bummer
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Lurch1 year, 5 months ago
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Conflict of interest.
I think this is one of the biggest reasons we need to get Obama or Clinton into the WH.
If the AG passes judgment or refuses to do his job because of an obvious conflict of interest, the next AG must go after Rove and all with a vengeance (wherever the Justice Dept can because Bush is going to give pardons to everybody). The next AG should also make sure that any of the AGs or other attorneys who cooperated with the Bush illegal activities loses his/her license. From Ashcroft on. And those 85 regional AGs who were NOT fired - what is wrong with them? If they had been doing their job and following their oath of duty/office, they would have been fired too. None of them should be allowed to practice law after this imo.
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Spadecaller1 year, 5 months ago
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The key to destroying their effectiveness is exposure. When the public becomes aware of this and we start weeding these crooks out of office, they will lose power and the inside track.
Mainstream media is competing for ratings and when these subjects are highlighted on the internet they ofen challenge the msm to follow suit, because msm is beginning to lose their audiences who are starting to turn more and more to the internet and other sources for news.
Bottom line: it is up to the people to make the government work.
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cowboygrandpa1 year, 5 months ago
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I'd like to see Rove and all the neocon crooks pay for what they did.
The Nuremberg trials seems to be a sample of what is needed.
We need to make sure our country is not led by the Nazi like propagandists.
Get a rope, in fact get a lot of them. Bush, Cheney, Rove, Gonzales, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Rice...
Time this country cleaned its' dirty laundry and hung it out to dry.
To prosecute because of a political party is Nazi like. Hmmmm yep. Sounds like a Bush, Rove, Cheney deal.
Put 'em over in Iraq in the front lines and let them die for what they claim to be the truth. Don't think you'd see that. The war would end because of the cowardice of those chicken hearted basta*ds.
I hope they enjoy what they reap for what they have sown.
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Ciera-Marie1 year, 5 months ago
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Thanks SC for posting this. While I hope and pray that Rove will have to not only testify, have charges brought against him and jail time, I am realistic (hard not to be pessimistic with a Nazi supporting loving administration in charge.) enough to know it may not happen. I pray for the good of the Citizens of the US and future political candidates (true patriots from any party) that he is brought before congress.
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icono11 year, 5 months ago
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It absolutely amazes me how Rove is always up to his axe in everything but at the same time he is guilty of nothing. Flat out amazing.
As for having no Congress. Right!
Which to me means 'we' have no Constitution.
Which means 'we the people' really have no 'basic rights'; only the rights granted to us by our political over-lords. Would Gobbles be proud; you bet pardner.
I don't care who wins the next Presidential election for to me it will be 'see the new boss, same as the old boss' which means the only 'change' coming is the 'change' in name of the President not the policies.
Again.
Daxn I hate all politicians!!!!!!!
They all are lying, thieving, bottom dwelling scum. The only time they can ever tell the truth is when they are in a very deep coma; which means they can't.
They all need to get an honest job for once to see how the other half has to live with their narcissistic idiocy.
& that includes Rove.
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bubba21 year, 5 months ago
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Congress can get past the Attorney General.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/05/15/verdic...
Wexler --
"We would much prefer Mr. Rove voluntarily agreed to appear before the House Judiciary Committee, as would any other American citizen. But my view is that if he refuses to come voluntarily, we must first subpoena him, and if he refuses to honor the subpoena then the full House of Representatives must hold Mr. Rove in Contempt of Congress. And then we must ask the Attorney General to enforce the Contempt of Congress subpoena or citation. And if the Attorney General refuses to do so, which Mr. Mukasey said previously before the Judiciary Committee that he would, then I believe, reluctantly, we need to literally uphold the checks and balances that this administration has so abused and then we need to go the extraordinary step of issuing an Inherent Contempt of Congress."
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LumFan1 year, 5 months ago
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Bravo to Mr. Wexler.
And they have done this sort of thing in the past, literally hold a person in contempt of Congress, by having the Sergeant-in-Arms go get a person and then hold that person in a basement room in order to have that him appear before Congress. Maybe that is what is needed for Mr. Rove, especially if the DC US Attorney Jeffrey Taylor (or Mr. Mukasey) do not enforce the contempt citation which is sure to be issued.
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hdthehn1 year, 5 months ago
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"then we need to go the extraordinary step of issuing an Inherent Contempt of Congress"
Against both Rove and Attorney General and Cheney, and Meyers and al the other lawless, warring and wannabe dictaters/terrorists in this administration.
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Goppy1 year, 5 months ago
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Of course!
Gw couldnta won without KR.
Karl Rove is a master manipulator ... a veritable Machiavellian character who would gladly sell his soul for power.
Get this ... hes an avowed atheist who realized that if GW pandered to and got the VAST MAJORITY of Christian Fundamentalist votes ... he could quite possibly WIN ... Not the POPULAR vote, mind you ... he could win in the Electoral College!
The only question was Florida. And Ralph Nader and Antonin Scalia took care of that!
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CatHerder1 year, 5 months ago
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If national politics could be considered warfare and if political leaders could be called generals...Carl Rove has been the political equivalent of Sun Tzu.
The concept of governance by the Executive and Judicial Branchs, was field tested in the election of Rick Perry Governor of Texas.
The Legislative branch of our government has been too concerned with re-election than with the running of our country. It has been in their best self-interest to not oppose those currently in power. Now that we are in the latter days of President Bush's administration, our representatives are finally showing that they have a spine and walk on two feet.
Problem is, Wexler's rehtoric is a little too late in the game. Sadly the treasonous individuals that suborned our country and our constitution will get away with it. Any attempt to prosecute will be met with a Presidential Pardon/Reprieve at the last moment.
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donald511 year, 5 months ago
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...all Rove had to do was study Nixon's mistakes and then have no scrupples whatsoever! It's a very typical repug modus operandi! Remember Newt developing the Contract With Ameerica lies and a list of derogatives for his fellow repugs to use whenever addressing a Dem? DeLay's rezoning for votes and use of the hammer and earmark?
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CatHerder1 year, 5 months ago
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It sounds good this "Contempt of Congress" charge. How long do you think that it will actually take to charge Rove with it? By the time Congress actually goes through the various motions...The national election will be over and President Bush will be known as "Former President Bush-2.0"
It sounds good on TV. It would have more teeth to it if, they had started this process 3 years ago. OR looked deeper into the '00 election of GW Bush. Since taking power back, in the last election, why has not one Senator had the testicular fortitude to put forth or propose articles of impeachment?
Sadly it is all smoke and mirrors. Maybe we can get it right the next time...
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donald511 year, 5 months ago
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Conyers was drafting them for years but couldn't get the support - too much pressure to let this foolish war president have his way or you were unpatriotic! The Bush Justice department even invaded Jefferson'e home. The fervor of 911 turned against Americans! Now he has the Robert's Court stacked definitely in his favor and still gets a sycophant named as head of the Justice Department.
Not just backing Dumya on politicizing everything, but not even investigating our overseas contractors when they rape and abuse our own... businesses gaining more rights in America than Americans!
Vetoing a defense bill because it would have allowed Sadam tortured soldiers to sue Iraq - how Un-American!
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CatHerder1 year, 5 months ago
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It sounds good this "Contempt of Congress" charge. How long do you think that it will actually take to charge Rove with it? By the time Congress actually goes through the various motions...The national election will be over and President Bush will be known as "Former President Bush-2.0"
It sounds good on TV. It would have more teeth to it if, they had started this process 3 years ago. OR looked deeper into the '00 election of GW Bush. Since taking power back, in the last election, why has not one Senator had the testicular fortitude to put forth or propose articles of impeachment?
Sadly it is all smoke and mirrors. Maybe we can get it right the next time...
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CatHerder1 year, 5 months ago
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hdthehn:
It sounds good this "Contempt of Congress" charge. How long do you think that it will actually take to charge Rove with it? By the time Congress actually goes through the various motions...The national election will be over and President Bush will be known as "Former President Bush-2.0"
It sounds good on TV. It would have more teeth to it if, they had started this process 3 years ago. OR looked deeper into the '00 election of GW Bush. Since taking power back, in the last election, why has not one Senator had the testicular fortitude to put forth or propose articles of impeachment?
Sadly it is all smoke and mirrors. Maybe we can get it right the next time...
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Spadecaller1 year, 5 months ago
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CatHerder
"Problem is, Wexler's rehtoric is a little too late in the game...:
Too late for who? When is it too late for justice and the will of the people to be respected?
Your morbid assessment lacks vision, personal responsibility, and value to say the least.
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jmopinion1 year, 5 months ago
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Spadecaller1 year, 5 months ago
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"YOU LIBERALS!" Only a bigot starts out their comment as such.
"You Liberals!" I read that all the time. It is sad that some of you cannot show respect for your fellow Americans who are just as concerned about their country as you pretend you are.
Progressives and centrists, Liberals and conservatives, Yanks and Rebels ... are broad categories made up of individuals -- all of whom are supposedly Americans first. It would be wise to recover from your prejudices and resentments. It would make this country work a whole lot better.
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CatHerder1 year, 5 months ago
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Too late for who? When is it too late for justice and the will of the people to be respected?
No...but unless you can somehow negate the power of a Pardon I am left wondering is it just the mere symbolic contempt charge you want added to his reputation?
How long did the "Scooter" serve? If you can not charge these treasonous, jack booted thugs after Bush has left office, then anything you do now is symbolic.
It leaves a bad taste in ones mouth. Sorry, the time to do something about these country stealing weasels was two elections ago. When the Senate did absolutely nothing to gut every single military program that Pres. Bush had...They lost thier credibility. They have not offered articles of impeachment, they have spouted high minded ideals, yet there has been NOTHING of substance to any of their ideals.
My friends are still being deployed to the "Sand Box" as it is known in the military. One of my best friends is on his Fourth Deployment.
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donald511 year, 5 months ago
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Cat, It was Dumya who cut the Palladin and Commanche programs and Rummy wanted to cut two more active duty Army divisions before 911!
Dumya's threat of a veto backed by the sycophant senatorial repugs, has won the day all too often. The major media has also backed Dumya all too much! Look at all the people who stood up to Dumya only to be trashed: Marine Maj Ritter (formerly of the UN inspectin team), Al Baradei (on those aluminum tubes of Sadam), Kofi Anon (called Dumya a war criminal), the Chicks, Ambassador Joe Wilson (his wifes' case thrown out), Tom Daschle (repugs poored money into his state to beat him), Gen Shinsheki (outed by Rummy more than a year before retirement) .... so many more!
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Spadecaller1 year, 5 months ago
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catherder
My sentiments are the same; but in order to move on we must accept and admit the damage that these political thugs and elitists have done in the past so we can work towards eradicating them and their anti-American propgaganda that is continuing to erode whatever remnants left to our dying constitution.
Yes, we have a small segment of our population as repesented by those few who have sunk this story, who do not see an America that respects the will of all its people. They prefer a government that primarily represents the 2 W's, the wealthy and white.
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