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Posted By RickyDawkins 1 year, 7 months ago in Arts & EntertainmentUnfortunately, not everybody is as thrilled as we are about the recent Supreme Court decision.
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lvrofwolves1 year, 7 months ago
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Gay marriage should be just as good as heterosexual marriage.
I know some homosexuals who are 'married' not legally of course, which is a shame considering they do just about everything everyone else does. Go buy rings, have a ceremony, receptions with family and friends, buy or rent a home,pay taxes, vote, work, care and love one another, often times bringing in their children, celebrating holidays with family and friends, buying pets etc, etc, etc.......the only thing I can see that is different is they are the same gender.
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LittleBuckieVP431 year, 7 months ago
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It aint rite havin dem dam fool men weddin men. Now, my mama done teeched me rite from rong and whut dey needs is a good beetin wid a switch from a ****** willo tree.
See, the way I look at it dey can get a lickin from dey mama or dey gets dem a good lickin in the other place from God. It's up to dem for the choosin. Butt I tellin ya all it's jus plum rong!
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LittleBuckieVP431 year, 7 months ago
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Dam fool cumputer. Why i get those funny lookin things when i jus nammed the ritful name of dat tree is rong too. I reckon I try usin symbols to so as ya all will unnerstan whut I's sain. pu$$y willow tree! Dats whut switch dey auttin be beet wid.
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tanglang1 year, 7 months ago
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You may think it is right, but it is not A right. A big argument that I hear quite often from gays on tv as to why they should be allowed to marry is tax and insurance benefits. Here is my opinion on that. Insurance, fine. Everyone should be allowed to insure their families, partners, kids hell, even friends. If one of my friends is out of work and I want to add them to my private insurance, so be it. I pay for it.
My other opinion is that the federal government should not give marriage tax breaks to couples who are not capable of reproducing and therefore not contributing to society in the same way as hetero families do. Shd they be allowed to adopt? Maybe. I feel children are better off with two parents of opposite sex so I am undecided there. Should they be given tax breaks for adopting and raising a kid? Sure, why not? The feds should give breaks to anyone raising a child so that person has more money to invest in said child. Just my thoughts.
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lvrofwolves1 year, 7 months ago
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Tanglang- so you think that anybody that can produce children is contributing to society?
I'm one of those who respect people who choose not to bring more people into the world, or adopt, or just have 1-2 children.
Also the reason I got married and the reason everyone I know got married was because they loved each other, they were couples. Then comes the decision to have children or not, if you choose not to, it doesn't make your marriage or love any less valid then anyone else. Anyone can be a good contribution to society, surely not everyone is, regardless if they can reproduce or not.
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cowboygrandpa1 year, 7 months ago
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Well. I'm not a gay basher. For all are loved by God.
I don't think homosexuality is right, as well as I don't believe that adultery or fornication is right. As I have been guilty of fornication and adultery in the past I cast no stones. I repented and have been forgiven, how can I do less than what was done for me.
Still I believe marriage is between a man and a woman.
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lvrofwolves1 year, 7 months ago
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cowboygrandpa1 year, 7 months ago
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Ivrowolves:
We are all tempted by something. There are people who just don't like other people and are violent toward them. Should assault and batery be OK? What about those who prefer sex with children? They think it perfectly normal. What about the drunks who feel it's OK for them to get drunk and drive. They are just expressing what they feel is right.
I mean everyone has something that is not what society says is the norm. Where do you draw the line.
See if you allow one you have to start allowing the others or the people claim they are being discriminatd against. Hell why even have laws at all then.
Just let everyone do what they feel is right.
Not trying to pick on you or anyone else. I just wonder where do you draw the line?
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lvrofwolves1 year, 7 months ago
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cowboygrandpa-assault, battery,having sex with children, drunks driving drunk is against the law because of the potential of harming someone or their property, all those are hurting others. How is homosexuality hurting others?
To answer your question-I draw the line when what you do hurts another.
Ms and Ms. so and so ,or Mr.and Mr. so and so getting married to each other doesn't hurt me or anyone else or infringed on any rights.
As a consenting adult, why should I be allowed to enjoy the right to marry the person I love and am attracted to just because I was born a heterosexual? and 2 consenting adult homosexuals..because they are born homosexual, they are not to enjoy that same right? no...that's wrong.
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cowboygrandpa1 year, 7 months ago
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Ivrowolves:
Then homosexuality should be outlawed. Aids is spread and affects the community of homosexuals more than anyone. It is an epidemic. It is causing the death of millions world wide. It takes the lives of children, mothers and many who become infected.
People are not born homosexual, they may have that tendency but they are not hard wired that way. Now I may receive some heat for this. That is OK. I'm not judging I'm stating an opinion.
I don't hate homosexuals nor do I condone them. For neither is my job.
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lvrofwolves1 year, 7 months ago
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propeller is really screwing around if this shows up twice-sorry!
That's right, it's your opinion, if it was FACT I'd really like to see the evidence that all people are born heterosexual.
About Aids- so...what about pre AIDS? homosexuality has been here throughout time. what about other disorders or diseases that primarily attack certain people? should we 'outlaw' those races as well?
I don't believe you hate homosexuals, I just don't think you have tried to be empathetic. Try and imagine as a heterosexual man, most people tell you that it is wrong to be attracted to women, to fall in love and want to be with them (one) for the rest of your life. But that ever since you can remember you've been attracted to women and you've never harmed a fly, you're a good law abiding citizen just like most others, but sorry- because you are attracted to women you cannot enjoy the same rights that homosexuals enjoy.
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lvrofwolves1 year, 7 months ago
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sorry if this shows up more then once!
That's right, it's your opinion, if it was FACT I'd really like to see the evidence that all people are born heterosexual.
About Aids- so...what about pre AIDS? homosexuality has been here throughout time. what about other disorders or diseases that primarily attack certain people? should we 'outlaw' those races as well?
I don't believe you hate homosexuals, I just don't think you have tried to be empathetic. Try and imagine as a heterosexual man, most people tell you that it is wrong to be attracted to women, to fall in love and want to be with them (one) for the rest of your life. But that ever since you can remember you've been attracted to women and you've never harmed a fly, you're a good law abiding citizen just like most others, but sorry- because you are attracted to women you cannot enjoy the same rights that homosexuals enjoy.
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Endoscopy1 year, 7 months ago
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They have tried to prove that there is a gene that caused Homosexuality. All they found was a gene that had a higher percentage in the homosexual population than the heterosexual population.
What did that prove? Nothing.
Therefore there is no evidence that people are born homosexual. The evidence says just the opposite. They become it by choice or psychological reasons stemming from their experience in life..
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quackpot1 year, 7 months ago
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There is considerable evidence to show that homosexuality is a multigenic trait.
As a multigenic trait, one would not expect to find a single gene. Rather, one would use association studies and sib-pair studies to find genes that predispose.
As you have stated, such genes have been identified.
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lvrofwolves1 year, 7 months ago
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Endoscopy- so at any given moment I guess you think you yourself could decide to be a homosexual? and I'm not just saying having a one time sexual encounter, but love and be attracted to the same sex. wow! I think that is a great feat!!!
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david_nwpa1 year, 7 months ago
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You don't hate gays, but you think we are not born this way. You hypocritical fool. Were you born straight? Were you hardwired that way? If so, then how is it so difficult for you to accept that all people are born exactly the way they are intended to be born. Your hatred for gays is masked and probably more harmful to the LGBT community than those that attack us outright. You do hate gays, but you hide you try to hide it. Spare us.
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cowboygrandpa1 year, 7 months ago
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david nwpa:
No I don't hate gays. You are welcome to your own opinion.
I grew up around a family member that was gay. Never hated him. He made the choice as he also went with women. He just decided he preferred men. He switched back and forth. But in the end he decided he preferred men. That is what I have based my opinion on.
So feel free to hate all you please. It is you who are the hypocrite to me. You think you know me without knowing didley squat.
I have never attacked the gay community for it choices. Yet you would attack me. My statement that homosexuality should be outlawed then was based on the premise on the disease that is spread by it.
If you had bothered to read some of my other posts, you would have found I have defended the right of the gay people not to be judged by man.
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lvrofwolves1 year, 7 months ago
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so...you've based your entire evidence that homosexuals choose to be gay on 1 person?
I don't feel you hate gays cowboygrandpa, but I do feel you do not understand and therefore you have uneducated opinions, which a lot of people have, including myself at one time about homosexuals.
Do you recall when you decided to be heterosexual?
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cowboygrandpa1 year, 7 months ago
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Ivrowolves:
No not just on one person. I have spoken with some who have chosen to be gay and some who say they are born that way. I just wonder who are the honest ones here.
As I've said the family member used to brings his partners around. I'd speak with them and get to learn a little about them. I'd say about 60% percent said they had been with women but just preferred men.
I didn't understand it and still don't. But that is their choice. BTW the family member died of AIDs' in the 90's. I didn't think it was right for those of the family who didn't show up to the funeral because he was gay. He was and still is a part of our family in my mind.
As far as deciding to be heterosexual. I guess when I was five years old and chasing the girl across the street for kisses. LOL We chased each other back and forth all summer long. Besides I have always enjoyed the womens bodies it never seemed like a choice. More like it is just natural, they have the right connections.
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lvrofwolves1 year, 7 months ago
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CBG- just as it seems natural to you, and at 5yrs old I'm sure you didn't know or understand that girls had the right 'connections' and it was not a choice to be heterosexual, I believe it's the same for homosexuals.
While it's true anyone can choose to have a sexual encounter with same or opposite sex, that sex act does not determine who you really are. I could if I choose to have sex with another woman, might even be enjoyable, but that wouldn't make me a lesbian because I love and am attracted to men, therefore I choose to have sex with men ( that probably doesn't sound right but you know what I mean I hope)
well anyhow, I didn't make the choice to be heterosexual, I sure glad I am tho because I wouldn't like to put up with all the crap some homosexuals have to deal with and I still don't think it's fair that I'm afforded certain rights because I was born heterosexual, and homosexuals are not getting all the same rights. I don't understand how anyone can think that's fair.
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hamy1 year, 7 months ago
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AIDS is a disease and does not choose which community it infects. Granted in THIS country is was first contracted and spread through the gay community and the IV drug community because that is the nature of this particular disease. But worldwide your statistics do not hold up. It is far bigger concern to the straight community in countries like South Africa where 1 in 5 people are infected with HIV.
Please do not continue to give lip service to these lies. It is not caused by homosexuals so do not try to blame me for AIDS deaths worldwide. Blame the people who did nothing to stop it while my friends were dying. Reagan and Bush Sr. did more to cause the spread of HIV and deaths from AIDS than anyone just by doing nothing.
I don't care if you hate me or condone me. Just give me the same rights as you have or let me stop paying taxes to support your families.
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Endoscopy1 year, 7 months ago
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Many diseases are spread by certain human behavior. There is a group of diseases that are "Sexually Transmitted Diseases" STD's for short. HIV is one of these. Since it requires transmission of fluid from one person to another it is very hard for a man to get it from a woman. Homosexual behavior of men spread the disease to epidemic proportion among the homosexual men. Part of that behavior is the going from one sexual partner to another very quickly.
To stop the spread of the disease requires one very simple change of behavior that has been known from the beginning of this disease. It would also stop all other STD's. A monogamous relationship. Stop the hopping from partner to partner.
Starting with the first known carrier the people getting this disease kept having relations with other partners knowing they were sentencing them to death.
Some were or became addicts and then it spread by dirty needles.
In Africa it is spread by bisexual men who then infect many women.
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hamy1 year, 7 months ago
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That is a lot of not very true crap. Please stop spreading these lies and go to a sex education clinic to learn the truth.
Bi-sexual men didn't spread AIDS in Africa. It was hookers. And it is very easy for a man to get HIV from a woman. In fact, just as easy as it is to get it from any risky behavior.
There is just as much promiscuity in the straight population. You really are obsessed with gay sex aren't you? It must be all that occupies your feeble mind. I don't think about straight sex at all because it disgusts me.
And you are talking about one person who slept with people without precautions after he found out he had an incurable STD but remember, we didn't know what it was.
And the fact that AIDS gets any funding at all is fully due to the gay community. If it wasn't for us, all of the straight kids who are now contracting HIV would be dead.
You should thank us since we were the only ones fighting to save people's lives.
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david_nwpa1 year, 7 months ago
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Several flaws exist with your reasoning. First, you are suggesting that gays are tempted. Aren't straight people also tempted? Without relying on religion, what makes your way right and being gay wrong? Who made you the person to decide that? Second, drinking and driving is illegal because it brings an immediate harm to society. People are killed daily as a result of a poor choice (drinking followed by operating a 2,000 pound bullet). Being gay is not something one does by choice. As for children being involved, since when have children been a primary objective for marriage? If they were, then the elderly should not be given marriage licenses.
This is not a slippery slope argument as you imply. In fact, if society stood by your "traditions" black people would be worth 3/5 of a human, and women would not be voting. Furthermore, the races would not intermingle.
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memestryker1 year, 7 months ago
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cg,
Same sex couples don't hurt anyone. I've had a couple of bosses and several coworkers and members of churches I've attended who were gay, and they and their partners were good people and treated others well.
There is a lot of evidence that most gay people were wired that way. For some it may be a choice or a phase. The science isn't complete. We know from studies that some (not all) people in harems and prison relieve sexual tension with same-sex sexual activity.
You may have religious reasons, and I would only suggest that even if you just use the basis of religious freedom, there is no reason to hate gays or even be concerned about if you aren't one.
Think about more marriage tax in the coffers.
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smithichie1 year, 7 months ago
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"Still I believe marriage is between a man and a woman".
Some still believe marriage is for only those of the same so called 'race', making it legal didn't force people to change their belief system if they didn't want to, nobody was forced into marrying anyone they didn't want to and nobody's marriage lessened in value.
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Harbeas1 year, 7 months ago
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Whether you believe in gay marriage or not(I don't). the real issue is the courts nullifying a vote by the people. This whole issue of gay marriage should be determined by each individual state and not the courts or the federal government.
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lvrofwolves1 year, 7 months ago
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The law should read, at the age of consent, 2 people that are not family members can marry. Period!
It shouldn't matter what color, religion, gender etc they are. If a religious organization doesn't like it, whatever! they can choose not to have it in their establishment, but the government should not be able to discriminate, regardless if a majority says they want to. The government gives a license to marry, not a church or any god.
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david_nwpa1 year, 7 months ago
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Because California has a constitution, its Supreme Court did its job. Namely, the Court was asked to decide if a law is constitutional. It decided against the law because it failed to pass constitutional muster. It denies people due process of law and it is discriminatory in violation of California's Constitution. If this had been a gun control law which had been overturned, wouldn't the right be cheering in the streets and not accusing the justices of "judicial activism"?
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smithichie1 year, 7 months ago
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Yes, states can enact their own laws, but they can't overrule the US Constitution. This is why there are those pushing for the so called marriage amendment to the Constitution. Because, even though some states have passed laws saying they will not recognize gay marriages from another state, it's just a matter of time before those laws are challanged and fall.
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Mdiar1 year, 7 months ago
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I was stating that this wasn't over-turned because it violates the federal constitution, it was the state constitution being violated. Its debatable as to whether these laws violate the US Constitution, I tend to believe they do. As far as I know marriage laws are traditionally left to the states, as was the case of this case. This had nothing to do with the US Constitution, everything to do with the constitution of California.
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memestryker1 year, 7 months ago
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Harbeas,
Why should a government involve itself in sexual orientation? It's nobody's business but the couple's. This doesn't hurt anyone for two people to love each other.
Gays have had to live on the fringes for a long time. I think it's about time we invited them into the community circle.
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jebusofborg1 year, 7 months ago
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California is awsome ,something like 8 out of 10 people who live in america, live in california. They were also one of the first few states to mandate bans on thimerasol the mercury preservative in infant vaccines, also to allow husbands maternity leave for family bonding, the letter grades posted outside of eateries disclosing the inspection score, anouncing on all buildings and products about concerns or properties containing carcinogens. And the stand against us naval sonar excercises off the coast of california linked to the disruption of the senses and death of sonar guided mammals that wash up on shore inevitabley after each mission. I believe california to be the best representation of what america started out to be and is still best represented by.
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RickyDawkins1 year, 7 months ago
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Autism: Removing Thimerosal From Vaccines Did Not Reduce Autism Cases In California, Report Finds
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/08...
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hamy1 year, 7 months ago
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If the people of California held a vote that outlawed women with long hair, what do you think the women with long hair would do? They would go to the courts to try and tell the people that the law they voted for is illegal due to discrimination.
Same thing.
The majority cannot grant or deprive rights to a minority. Otherwise, why would any of us be here? If any of us can suddenly bring forth a list of names on a petition that can take away the rights of the rest of us, then what is the point?
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Harbeas1 year, 7 months ago
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Yes, we might still have had slavery in a few states for a few more years. But hundreds of thousands of men would not have died in the process. Was the civil way really worth that many lives. That's bs that slavery would still be around today. With differnt judges the vote might have gone the other way. I disagree with the discrimination aspect. How can you be discriminated against when a gay can marry any woman he wants. That's how marriage is defined. A union between a man and a woman. Gays do not meet that definition. Yes, I know the gay community would like to change that definition, but the last time I looked it had not been changed.
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lvrofwolves1 year, 7 months ago
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Yes, we might still have had slavery in a few states for a few more years. But hundreds of thousands of men would not have died in the process. Was the civil way really worth that many lives.
Harbeas- am I getting what I think I'm getting from this comment you made???
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canadianrancher571 year, 7 months ago
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I didn't check out the story but I would like to comment.
There will always be mixed feelings about gay marragiage until a point in time where all people who have religious beliefs accept the gay community and its members, I still keep hearing people say that they are willing to forgive people for being homosexual but it is not a matter of forgiving them it is a matter of accepting them. The revolution has started in some churches but how many of us out here were told as children that being gay was wrong and refuse to accept. Most of the road blocks against gay marraige are a result of there not being a separation of church and state.
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lvrofwolves1 year, 7 months ago
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canadianrancher, there probably always will be some who don't approve, just as there are still some who don't approve of blacks and whites marrying each other.
willing to forgive someone for being gay, now that's a hoot! what do they need forgiveness for?
Even if one doesn't accept them, that's their choice, but nobody should be allowed to discriminate or violate any of their rights.
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canadianrancher571 year, 7 months ago
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Ivrofwolves-I agree that we should not discriminate or violate any persons rights but these issues all seem to have to be settled by courts and politicians who then pass laws and these people then put their own biases in. It is nearly impossible for these people to leave their religious beliefs out of their decisions.
AS for the forgiveness part I have friends who are of different religions and attend differnt churches and it seems they still consider being gay as a sin and even a written law will not chance that fact and at this time they are only willing to forgive them not accept them.
As for me I don't need a written law to make a decision on the issue, I have my beliefs and I accept people as they are but this fight is a fight which involves all of society so change will be slow.
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RickyDawkins1 year, 7 months ago
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Marriage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sbqv3MwwVd8
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nikkibabe1 year, 7 months ago
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Gays and Lesbian weddings are far more peaceful and does not cost the US Government anything when compared to invading and occupying a muslim country and spend $1 trillion. It is better than torturing prisoners, it is better than outing the identity of a covert CIA operative. It will not increase the price of gas, food etc., It will not lead us to home foreclosures, not lead others in to bankruptcies.
In other words, it is harmless and no one has to suffer if two people decide to get together peacefully.
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Hobe1 year, 7 months ago
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Mixed Feelings About Gay Marriage in California?
'In fact, if society stood by your "traditions" black people would be worth 3/5 of a human, and women would not be voting. Furthermore, the races would not intermingle.'
Is it fair to say, comments like this, that try to use two completely differently situations are very Insulting to the principles? What a disgrace?
If a HoMosexual man and a HoMosexual Woman want to marry for whatever their reason, that is their choice. Just like a woman's right to choose to abort her baby. One may ask, why would any potential Mother want to Kill her baby? It may be inhumane but it's the Law.
One may ponder on why HoMosexuals and Abortionist choose specific behavior, but, it should be their choice...
Mental Health Counseling should be available and in some cases may be recommended.
HoMosexuals should and must have the same rights as all Americans....
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Hobe1 year, 7 months ago
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Mixed Feelings About Gay Marriage in California?
'In fact, if society stood by your "traditions" black people would be worth 3/5 of a human, and women would not be voting. Furthermore, the races would not intermingle.'
Is it fair to say, comments like this, that try to use two completely differently situations are very Insulting to the principles? What a disgrace?
If a HoMosexual man and a HoMosexual Woman want to marry for whatever their reason, that is their choice. Just like a woman's right to choose to abort her baby. One may ask, why would any potential Mother want to Kill her baby? It may be inhumane but it's the Law.
One may ponder on why HoMosexuals and Abortionist choose specific behavior, but, it should be their choice...
Mental Health Counseling should be available and in some cases may be recommended.
HoMosexuals should and must have the same rights as all Americans..
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Butter_Fly1 year, 7 months ago
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I have family members and have many current friends now that are gay/lesbian or even Bi... I do not agree with it, but on the same side it's true, we all commit sin, and in God's eyes a sin is a sin, so a murderer is just as bad as an adulterer. With this said, my problem is that as a society do we not judge and ok same sex marriage, which they do deserve to love just as opposite sex marriages, or do we follow normal heterosexual conscience and not accept it??? I am torn in two mindsets, I understand where both are going....
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Mdiar1 year, 7 months ago
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The issue, Butter, is that marriage at a legal level has nothing to do with religion. If it did then you wouldn't be married by a Judge... such a thing would be impossible, it would have to be a priest. Marriage in the United States is a religious sacrament only if you wish it to be and the religion you are part of is willing to make it one, as well. Its one of the few cut and dry issues out there... no real reason exists to not have same sex marriage. It will cut down on AIDs as monogamous relationships would be easier to maintain and a large segment of the population would be happier for it.
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TrueProgressive1 year, 7 months ago
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All you creeps of the right don't get it. Certain rights are "inalienable," meaning the majority cannot vote them away. Equal protection is one of those rights. In 1964, the California Supreme Court overturned a law that allowed racial discrimination in real estate transactions. The "people" promptly responded with an initiative restoring the law. It won by over 2/3. The Supreme Court invalidated the initiative, reasoning the majority cannot vote away a distinct minority group's right to equal protection under the laws. The USSC affirmed. THIS IS THE SAME SITUATION! Gays form a distinct minority whose right to marry, an accepted fundamental right, is being infringed upon for no valid reason, except pure bigotry. Note: This means you Global Warmer. You've been warming your head way too long. All the cheap a** rationalizations advanced here to oppose gay marriage were the same cheap a** excuses flung up to block racial civil rights. Same as it ever was.
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