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Posted By TechnologyExpert 1 year, 7 months ago in NewsWith each passing day, it seems a little less likely that the next president of the United States will wear a skirt - or a cheerful, no-nonsense pantsuit.
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Mdiar1 year, 7 months ago
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I don't think it was gender. It was the fact that she ran against a better campaigner and speaker who had almost identical policy positions to her. Several nuances in Senator Clinton's policies struck me as distasteful and I'm sure struck others a distasteful as well. I think Senator Obama capitalized on that and on the general political mood of the United States at the time. Bill helped her in some ways but hurt her with the media and some of the establishment. I get the feeling he stepped on some toes while in office and some of the negative coverage was a way of getting back at him. Not fair, but hardly because Senator Obama and the voters were sexist. I say don't punish Senator Obama in November for what the media did and the voters finally decided. He had no power over them.
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Dionys1 year, 7 months ago
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He may be a more eloquent speaker (though I don't really see it), but he's not better in debates. Mostly for lack of specifics as to how he will bring about his pipe-dream for America (which sounds wonderful, but is about as substantial as cotton candy).
I think Hillary's current "loss" (she holds the majority *popular* vote) is due to the media constantly saying she's losing and should drop out. From the very beginning this was the media's "line" and didn't reflect the truth when she had a majority of delegates and shouldn't hold true now when she still holds a majority.
The whole purpose of the convention is to pick the presidential nominee -- not to simply hold an already decided vote. I say let them both continue competing.
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Mdiar1 year, 7 months ago
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Including every single state that has voted, as best we can, Obama is currently leading in the popular vote by 83,000 votes. In the debates he has grown. His policies, when you look at them, are about as fleshed out as Clinton's. From the very beginning the media's line was that Hillary would be crowned the Democratic nominee. Obama was a nobody at the start. I agree, let her keep competing. Lets also include Florida... and reach a compromise in Michigan in which Obama receives the probable amount of votes he would of received had his name been on the ballot. He shouldn't be penalized for following party rules on that one.
Oh, for popular vote totals:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/pr...
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crghss1 year, 7 months ago
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"(she holds the majority *popular* vote)"
This is a lie.
"From the very beginning this was the media's "line" "
Funny, I don't remember the "media" touting this.
When did she ever have a "a majority of delegates" This is another lie.
Wow, Dionys you just can't help yourself.
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Mdiar1 year, 7 months ago
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Its all based around how the vote splits up in the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party should go for a pure popular vote or back to what the Republican Party does, truth be told. The first one promotes a more true democracy. The second one will make them win more elections.
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DropkickaLib1 year, 7 months ago
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tchef1 year, 7 months ago
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For me it never was about her gender. I'm more than ready for a woman president. It's about who she is. I had enough of the Clinton's last time. When they left office they left the Democratic party in ruins. We couldn't get a Democrat elected for 6 years. I don't want that again.
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tchef1 year, 7 months ago
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For me it was never about her gender. It is more about who she is and how she has been groomed for this spot since before Bill left office.
It took 6 years to get Democrats elected again after they left. I don't want a return the their scandals. It's time to look to the future of the party, not the past.
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StarLord1 year, 7 months ago
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Which is, of course, why Bill Clinton left the White House with 60% approval ratings, and Al Gore got a majority of the vote in 2000.
Of COURSE this means that he left the Democratic Party in ruins. After all, he only unseated a sitting President, got re-elected, and left enough capital for his chosen successor to get a majority of all votes cast, AFTER all the scandals.
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jaern1 year, 7 months ago
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"Sexism has played a really big role in the race."
I disagree. As a woman I would love to see a Democrat woman president, but not her. We've had 4 years of a Bush followed by 8 years of a Clinton and 8 years of another Bush. I want to see new blood in the office. I have many issues w/ all the Bushes and Clintons. While Bill Clinton did many good things as president he wasn't that great. His shenanigans with Monica Lewinsky damaged our party and the hopes for a Democrat filling his shoes after his term in office- he essentially placed the welcome mat on the WH front steps for GWB and we've all paid dearly for that. Should we blame her for his faults? No. But again I'd rather see a fresh face in the WH.
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skyking2p1 year, 7 months ago
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With each passing day, it seems a little less likely that the next president of the United States will wear a skirt - or a cheerful, no-nonsense pantsuit.
I never hear anyone talking talking about Obama's cloths. If I have heard one pantsuit joke I have heard a thousand so I think it did play a big part. It has not been overt most of the time but it has always been there.
The Clintons have been a very important part of the democratic party for a lot of years and Hillary has worked hard for the party. Bill Clinton was hounded by Ken Star and the right wing from before he was president and they found his weakness. If Obama gets the nomination I will support him but I think the Clintons deserve our thinks for all they have done for the party and this country.
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tchef1 year, 7 months ago
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I agree that Bill was hounded by the Republican investigations, but that was all the more reason to keep it in his pants. His actions hurt the party and the country. Not to mention that the Republicans knowing that Hillery's run was inevitable have had all this time to stockpile even more stuff to hit her with. For the good of the party she needs to stand aside and help bring this party together instead of continue to tear it apart.
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cloud151 year, 7 months ago
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"I never hear anyone talking talking about Obama's cloths. If I have heard one pantsuit joke I have heard a thousand so I think it did play a big part. It has not been overt most of the time but it has always been there."
No you haven't heard about Obama's clothes...but you sure as hell have heard about the color of his skin.
I don't think gender was an issue in the democratic primary, whereas in a general election against a white male, it may have become an issue. But in an election where her opponent was a black person, I think race is more of a concern to more people than gender.
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cushi1 year, 7 months ago
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I have no quarrel with most of what you say, but for me, Hillary was her own worst enemy! First she tried whining, then she tried attacking, then she tried whining and attacking, then she tried lying, then she tried lying and attacking, then she played the race card! I think she truly underestimated the brilliant young senator and did not give him the respect due a true and viable opponent. Bill Clinton didn't help either, but a lot of it was her own undoing. She exercised very bad judgment in her actions and statements while running for the office of president, and now she has campaign debts out the ying yang to deal with...not a good sign of fiscal responsibility, which will be sorely needed in this troubled economy!
Sorry, it had nothing at all to do with gender for me, either.
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