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Daylight1 year, 6 months ago
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The Neo-Cons saw a vacuum created by the fall of the Soviet Union and sought to fill that vacuum ... NOT with honor, dignity, democracy, fairness and justice ... but rather with Arrogance and Belligerancy.
Well said, America wanted to achieve everything like the street thugs. We are the super power and we will do anything we want, stop if you can, policy no longer works nowadays.
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ybdogsct1 year, 6 months ago
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It's laughable that neocons would resort to citing truncated quotes of Michelle Obama's remarks out of context. Her full remarks were:
"What we have learned over this year is that hope is making a comeback. It is making a comeback. And let me tell you something -- for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change. And I have been desperate to see our country moving in that direction and just not feeling so alone in my frustration and disappointment. I've seen people who are hungry to be unified around some basic common issues, and it's made me proud."
Michelle Obama was NOT saying that up to this point she had never been proud to be an American. What she was saying was that up to this point, she had never seen so many disenfranchised and marginalized voters actively participate in politics -- and this record turnout has made her proud.
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Goppy1 year, 6 months ago
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Sorry ybdoggy.
We Conservatives dont 'roll' that way.
Right Wing Media has already implanted into our brains, the finely crafted hate message they wrought.
Askin us to consider 'context' is liek talkin bout a Pink Elephant ... then askin us to NOT think bout a Pink Elephant.
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Endoscopy1 year, 6 months ago
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ybdogsct
In context the problem phrase that stick out like a sore thumb is "for the first time in my adult lifetime". Nothing can take that away. What she should have said in place of that is "these things make me prouder". Instead the campaign is stuck with her words.
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ybdogsct1 year, 6 months ago
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ENDOSCOPY:
"In context the problem phrase that stick out like a sore thumb is 'for the first time in my adult lifetime'"
You misconstrue again by predictably citing Michelle's TRUNCATED quote out of context.
Michelle Obama said the words "for the first time in my adult lifetime" because she has never witnessed such high voter turnout in America. Remember that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are SETTING RECORDS for new voter registration, voter turnout rate, and fundraising. Barack Obama, in particular, is setting a record for low-level, grassroots fundraising, which demonstrates just how many people are actively participating in politics for the first time. This is something most of us, Michelle Obama and myself included, have never seen in our adult lifetimes. This is a first for America and Michelle Obama ought to be rightfully proud of the new involvement of previously disenfranchised voters in our democratic elections.
Try reading it again.
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Endoscopy1 year, 6 months ago
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And that fact makes it OK to say that "for the first time in my adult lifetime" I'm proud to be an American. People voted for her husband and that is what she says. No way no how can you turn this sows ear into a silk purse. You obviously didn't really read my post. It was an extremely poor choice of words. In or out of context. Stupid to make that statement.
With your statement about the context she should have said she is proud of Americans or something like that. This statement was a sound bite waiting to happen. No amount of context will change it into something else.
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ybdogsct1 year, 6 months ago
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ENDOSCOPY:
"You obviously didn't really read my post. It was an extremely poor choice of words. In or out of context."
You obviously didn't read Michelle Obama's full comment because if you had, you would realize that she was making an ACCURATE observation that is SUPPORTED by the available data. And that observation is that she has never in her adult lifetime seen such a high new voter registration rate, high voter turnout, and high campaign donation rate.
This new participation by the previously apathetic and disenfranchised IS something to be proud of. But the historically low voter turnout in DEMOCRATIC elections for the U.S., which proclaims itself to be the world's defender of DEMOCRACY, is nothing to be proud of. Again, Michelle Obama's observation is supported by the AVAILABLE DATA. The same can't be said for ANY of your unsubstantiated arguments.
http://www.idea.int/vt/survey/voter_turnout_pop...
Typical.
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ybdogsct1 year, 6 months ago
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It's no secret that the U.S., which proclaims itself to be the world's defender of democracy, embarrassingly boasts one of the LOWEST voter turnout rates of all free democracies around the world. Apparently, we defend democracy, but we just don't do a good job of practicing it ourselves. In fact, the International Institute of Democracy and Electoral Assistance has ranked the U.S. voter turnout 139th of the only 172 democracies in the world. (Italy is 1st with a voter turnout rate of 92.5%; we are 139th with a rate of 48.3%).
http://www.idea.int/vt/survey/voter_turnout_pop...
That is NOT a stat to be proud of. But the record voter turnouts Clinton and Obama are eliciting is. For the first time, we are seeing the kind of voter participation that we should come to expect from responsible citizens. And for the first time in her lifetime, Michelle Obama is proud to see how many people are actively participating in democracy.
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Goppy1 year, 6 months ago
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Geesh! You libbies!!!
Your view of Patriotism is a liek a Water Well dug too deep ... too deep means too costly ... and too much trouble.
Our Christian Conservative view of Patriotism is a Water Well that is shallow ... which makes it cheap & simple.
Course, we get left with a not very fine mixture ... and theres lots of detritus in the water.
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ybdogsct1 year, 6 months ago
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http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008...
"Of course Michelle is proud of her country, which is why she and Barack talk constantly about how their story wouldn't be possible in any other nation on Earth. What she meant is that she's really proud at this moment because for the first time in a long time, thousands of Americans who've never participated in politics before are coming out in record numbers to build a grassroots movement for change."
So Michelle Obama is congratulating previously apathetic voters for participating in our democracy and in response, the neocons attack her.
Do they disagree with her? Do these neocons believe that citizens shouldn't vote? Their response reveals a profound distinction between Republicans and Democrats: Republicans believe patriotism can only be expressed through blind fealty to America, while Democrats believe patriotism is best expressed by identifying and improving America's flaws.
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Goppy1 year, 6 months ago
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You make very, VERY good points ybdoggy.
And your logic carries with it a inspirational deep, abidin understandin of Barack and Michelle Obama's inspirational pride in Changin the pair-a-dime of this nation.
But we Christian Conservatives are so INVESTED in GW and Neo-Conservativism ... we caint hardly 'just say no' now! We believe there are still depths of depravity to be plumbed with Republican John McCain.
After all ... he said hes gointa continue Goerge W. Bushs policies! And we dont much liek change.
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ybdogsct1 year, 6 months ago
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ENDOSCOPY:
"A person who lives in India and is a Muslim"
If Barack Obama is a "Muslim" as you claim, then he could not also be a member of Jeremiah Wright's Trinity Christian Church. Well, which is it? Is Obama a Muslim or is a Christian, half-white racist against whites?
If you're going to smear Obama, you should first get your lies straight. LOL.
Pathetic.
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Endoscopy1 year, 6 months ago
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LOL
Daylight is the person I was talking about. Read what I said. Obama doesn't live in India last I heard. Or do I have to explain geography to you. It's by China and Pakistan.
Obama was raised a Muslim for the first few years and his Father was a Muslim and still is. In the eyes of Islam that makes him an Muslim apostate. It is open season on apostates in Muslim countries. Either the people kill them or the government will.
If he is elected President and goes to Iran to talk the president there the army and police are not allowed to protect him. Whoever wants to attack him will be allowed through. That is Sharia law.
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