Guantanamo Trials Hit Setbacks »
Posted By bubba2 1 year, 5 months ago in NewsKey elements of the Bush administration's anti-terrorist detention policies appear to be unraveling. A military judge disqualified a Pentagon legal official from participating in the trial of Salim Ahmed Hamdan, all charges against Mohammad al-Qahtani were dropped, and Sami Al-Haj was released after 6 years in detention without charge.
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TheNewsseeker1 year, 5 months ago
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How much of the knowledge that the Bush administration pretended to have might have been achieved in same way? Most of the persons who left Guantanamo after years of arrestation, were released without any explanation. Perhaps, they will never have the chance to get to know what crimes they had been accused for. This kind of juridical treatment is not fitting in with my imagination of democracy! It is for good reasons that confessions made under the influece of torture are not usable in a court of law. We should know that since the times of inquisition.
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automan9091 year, 5 months ago
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They should all be shot instead of kept in jail.
The Geneva Convention says that if the enemy is not wearing a uniform identifying him then he is a spy and can be shot instead of captured.
By the way.. I have no problem water boarding someone to save American lives.
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Aidenag1 year, 5 months ago
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Man, when are people who keep defending this Administrations international law breaking going to actually READ the Geneva Conventions...
The Geneva convention says that non uniformed soldiers/ members of the armed forces(aka troops recognized as such by their home country's government) can be treated as spies. Since nobody in all of Gitmo is a soldier, or recognized as such by their home country(or any country for that matter) it does not apply here...
Just ask yourself this if you still don't agree.. What is a terrorists "Uniform"? How does one say a group of people are out of uniform if they have no official uniform, and are not sanctioned by a government to be said governments army?
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quackpot1 year, 5 months ago
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Somebody that you don't know might decide that you are a terrorist because the name automan909 is about the same as automan 989.
Then, after holding you for six years without trial (opportunity for you to correct the error) they might let you go.
After this, I hope you will be highly thankful for the experience when some idiot suggests that you should have been shot straight away.
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markoller1 year, 5 months ago
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Automan909,
The charges against the Guantanamo prisoners are proven lies, and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was killed in Karachi on September 11, 2002. Although I take back what I once said about the prisoner being Ahmed Abdul Qadus. See "Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was killed six years ago." http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aachat_alternativ...
It is also as certain as anything can be that our own government perpetrated the September 11 terrorism, with some help from the Mossad and MI6. Attention sock puppets: you lack the honesty and courage of hired assassins and traitors for money. You are also fools. Whatever you are being paid, it is not enough.
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gamahuche1 year, 5 months ago
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I have no words to describe people with opinions like automan's.
Nor for scrimshaw and crghss who voted for his comment.
This is the "They should be shot" comment, in case this finishes somewhere completely "other".
A million sinks to you 3.
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1-2-Oscar1 year, 5 months ago
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If the captives are prisoners in a "War on Terrorism," then they should be afforded all the protections due to prisoners of war and these trials are a violation of their rights under international law. If, on the other hand, these prisoners are criminals, then they are due all the rights and protections due other criminal defendants, including the right of habeus corpus, the right to a speedy trial, and the right to defense counsel of their choosing.
Either way, it is obvious that the current administration has screwed it up.
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IanFraigun1 year, 5 months ago
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The biggest thing that sets our society apart from most others is that we have freedoms and rights. To maintain that structure for our people we often must work to protect the freedoms and rights of those we most violently disagree with.
Once we cross the line saying certain individuals or groups not longer deserve those freedoms and rights we set up a sitaution where we may be in the next group outcast. Hard as it is sometimes the only way to protect what we all appreciate is to protect the same things as strongly as we can for those we most hate and disagree with. Thats the way our republic works. For those not sure we are not a democracy where everyone has a say in every decision, we are representative republic where we vote for representatives that represent in the government.
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Ratskii1 year, 5 months ago
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I checked on the records for some of these folks re: their sinks. Wolfie is averaging more than 21 sinks a day. Newbie and Dropkick have been a little more restrained, they are averaging a little over 2 sinks a day each.
Just to be fair, my own record is about one sink every 20 days.
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quackpot1 year, 5 months ago
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Your logic fails with the use of the term "them"
The key issue here is exactly how to define "them"
Would you like to be identified as "them"? If not, what would your defense be if you were locked up for six years before having your case heard?
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Ratskii1 year, 5 months ago
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This is a very informative article. Thanks for posting it. I appreciate the way it names names.
As usual there are those that react with arguments like: 1) We must become like those we oppose in order to survive or 2) The ends justifies the means or 3) If they're accused they must be guilty and to heck with those darned liberals that wrote our constitution.
Jesus put it pretty well when he said: "As you treat the least of these, so you treat me." We are either a society of laws or we are not. Take your pick.
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