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Posted By bubba2 1 year, 6 months ago in NewsKey elements of the Bush administration's anti-terrorist detention policies appear to be unraveling. A military judge disqualified a Pentagon legal official from participating in the trial of Salim Ahmed Hamdan, all charges against Mohammad al-Qahtani were dropped, and Sami Al-Haj was released after 6 years in detention without charge.
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TheNewsseeker1 year, 6 months ago
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How much of the knowledge that the Bush administration pretended to have might have been achieved in same way? Most of the persons who left Guantanamo after years of arrestation, were released without any explanation. Perhaps, they will never have the chance to get to know what crimes they had been accused for. This kind of juridical treatment is not fitting in with my imagination of democracy! It is for good reasons that confessions made under the influece of torture are not usable in a court of law. We should know that since the times of inquisition.
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automan9091 year, 6 months ago
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They should all be shot instead of kept in jail.
The Geneva Convention says that if the enemy is not wearing a uniform identifying him then he is a spy and can be shot instead of captured.
By the way.. I have no problem water boarding someone to save American lives.
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Aidenag1 year, 6 months ago
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Man, when are people who keep defending this Administrations international law breaking going to actually READ the Geneva Conventions...
The Geneva convention says that non uniformed soldiers/ members of the armed forces(aka troops recognized as such by their home country's government) can be treated as spies. Since nobody in all of Gitmo is a soldier, or recognized as such by their home country(or any country for that matter) it does not apply here...
Just ask yourself this if you still don't agree.. What is a terrorists "Uniform"? How does one say a group of people are out of uniform if they have no official uniform, and are not sanctioned by a government to be said governments army?
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Beau78901 year, 6 months ago
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Not just that, but...when are people going to learn how to reason using basic logic?
automan said, "...if the enemy is not wearing a uniform identifying him then he is a spy and can be shot instead of captured."
His statement about shooting detainees rather than capturing them assumes these people are enemies without any kind of legal determination that they are, indeed, enemies.
automan proposes shooting suspects on the spot. Sounds positively...totalitarian.
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Aidenag1 year, 6 months ago
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Sounds like what Terrorists do... No trial, no judge, no jury. Just call em infidels and kill em... Sad part is, a large portion of "Freedom loving" Americans think this way, with absolutely no realization that they are supporting something the "enemy" would do. Something that is supposed to be one of the things that separates us from them...
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Beau78901 year, 6 months ago
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Unfortunately, those freedoms and rights that separate us from them have all been "temporarily" suspended in order to fight terrorism.
How do Bush supporters not understand that we've become exactly what we're supposed to be fighting against?
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DaneL1 year, 6 months ago
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Beau78901 year, 6 months ago
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Beau78901 year, 6 months ago
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Undercover cops *pretend* to do all the same things the criminals they're infiltrating do.
But they're not allowed to actually take drugs, have sex with hookers, or kill mobsters.
Right?
In addition, undercover cops' main goal isn't to prevent the creation of more criminals. They're not trying to convince innocents that being criminal is wrong--they're simply trying to catch criminals.
When our country begins to operate like terrorists, foreigners who are not terrorists can't see why they should align themselves with us.
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markoller1 year, 6 months ago
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Christopher Bollyn was not even framed for terrorism. He was arrested by secret police and subjected to a show trial, simply for expressing the wrong opinions regarding the the war on terror and Israel. He fled to Europe with his family, or else he might be worse off than Guantanamo prisoners. He could be a sex slave in a maximum security prison. See "The Bollyn Trial: The Criminalization of an Outspoken Journalist," http://donoevil.propeller.com/story/2008/05/21/...
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Dionys1 year, 6 months ago
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Oh. I'm surprised he didn't mean the monsters that invaded another country, killed 4000 of their own, wounded hundreds of thousands of others and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis and Afghanis due to an ethnic-cleansing euphimism called "collateral damage."
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Mutainia1 year, 6 months ago
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GOOD bit of taqqiya, O "I'm not a Muslim".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hZrZx1eHdg
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Dionys1 year, 6 months ago
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"GOOD bit of taqqiya, O "I'm not a Muslim". "
Now I completely understand your obsession with lying.
It's projection.
Unfortunately 4000 dead Americans, tens of thousands of severely wounded Americans and many more mentally wounded Americans along with hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis and Afghans due to 'collateral damage' aren't lies of any sort.
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Mutainia1 year, 6 months ago
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What, are you saying American troops deaths are caused by American troops now? I wouldn't be surprised, since you think it's American troops that have caused most of the suicide bomb attacks in Shiite market places, etc., since THAT is the reason so many Iraqis have been killed over there since American troops arrived on the scene.
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quackpot1 year, 6 months ago
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Somebody that you don't know might decide that you are a terrorist because the name automan909 is about the same as automan 989.
Then, after holding you for six years without trial (opportunity for you to correct the error) they might let you go.
After this, I hope you will be highly thankful for the experience when some idiot suggests that you should have been shot straight away.
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dissent1 year, 6 months ago
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909 or 989. your point reminds me of that movie Brazil. buttle or tuttle. what's in a name when it leads to indefinite detention, torture and an unknown unheard of death.... of the wrong suspect. only a wife and some kids dealing with unresolved grief and a burning growing hatred against a monolithic far away power that is so incomprehensible it may as well be aliens from another planet.
nevermind, it's just "justice" seen to be done and that's all that matters to automan and others.
all the while justice slowly dies
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markoller1 year, 6 months ago
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Automan909,
The charges against the Guantanamo prisoners are proven lies, and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was killed in Karachi on September 11, 2002. Although I take back what I once said about the prisoner being Ahmed Abdul Qadus. See "Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was killed six years ago." http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aachat_alternativ...
It is also as certain as anything can be that our own government perpetrated the September 11 terrorism, with some help from the Mossad and MI6. Attention sock puppets: you lack the honesty and courage of hired assassins and traitors for money. You are also fools. Whatever you are being paid, it is not enough.
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gamahuche1 year, 6 months ago
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I have no words to describe people with opinions like automan's.
Nor for scrimshaw and crghss who voted for his comment.
This is the "They should be shot" comment, in case this finishes somewhere completely "other".
A million sinks to you 3.
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dissent1 year, 6 months ago
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wow, you make them sound like.... pets.
let's put you on leash, danel, and after a few years let's see just how grateful you are to have your 3 squares. btw, you can forget about your home, you family and everything and everyone you every knew. you won't be needing those memories coz you'll never have anything to do with them ever again. all you'll have is a cage, a mat and 3 squares.
but hey, 3 squares, right? yipee!!!
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dissent1 year, 6 months ago
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it seems to be your thing to treat everyone as pets. you overestimate your intelligence, danel. you're just not that smart
gulag or no gulag, you talk as if the pets at the gitmo pound should be grateful. your point? feel free to disagree and say why once you're done patronizing
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1-2-Oscar1 year, 6 months ago
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If the captives are prisoners in a "War on Terrorism," then they should be afforded all the protections due to prisoners of war and these trials are a violation of their rights under international law. If, on the other hand, these prisoners are criminals, then they are due all the rights and protections due other criminal defendants, including the right of habeus corpus, the right to a speedy trial, and the right to defense counsel of their choosing.
Either way, it is obvious that the current administration has screwed it up.
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IanFraigun1 year, 6 months ago
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The biggest thing that sets our society apart from most others is that we have freedoms and rights. To maintain that structure for our people we often must work to protect the freedoms and rights of those we most violently disagree with.
Once we cross the line saying certain individuals or groups not longer deserve those freedoms and rights we set up a sitaution where we may be in the next group outcast. Hard as it is sometimes the only way to protect what we all appreciate is to protect the same things as strongly as we can for those we most hate and disagree with. Thats the way our republic works. For those not sure we are not a democracy where everyone has a say in every decision, we are representative republic where we vote for representatives that represent in the government.
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Ratskii1 year, 6 months ago
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I checked on the records for some of these folks re: their sinks. Wolfie is averaging more than 21 sinks a day. Newbie and Dropkick have been a little more restrained, they are averaging a little over 2 sinks a day each.
Just to be fair, my own record is about one sink every 20 days.
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quackpot1 year, 6 months ago
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Your logic fails with the use of the term "them"
The key issue here is exactly how to define "them"
Would you like to be identified as "them"? If not, what would your defense be if you were locked up for six years before having your case heard?
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Ratskii1 year, 6 months ago
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This is a very informative article. Thanks for posting it. I appreciate the way it names names.
As usual there are those that react with arguments like: 1) We must become like those we oppose in order to survive or 2) The ends justifies the means or 3) If they're accused they must be guilty and to heck with those darned liberals that wrote our constitution.
Jesus put it pretty well when he said: "As you treat the least of these, so you treat me." We are either a society of laws or we are not. Take your pick.
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