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jordan111 year, 7 months ago
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It's 'bad' to have a casket in memorial to those who've died? We don't memorialize the fallen? Memorialize is to remember. A casket is symbolic of those who died. That's 'bad?' When did "peace" become a bad thing?
Look. A memorial to our troops is a good thing. However, we all have our own perceptions of what that means. To say that it must be done by the interpretations of some, and the rest discarded, is the height of disrespect. No one has the right to tell other Americans how to think or participate. It's un-American to do that. How ironic.
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injest1 year, 7 months ago
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"It's 'bad' to have a casket in memorial to those who've died? We don't memorialize the fallen? Memorialize is to remember. A casket is symbolic of those who died. That's 'bad?' When did "peace" become a bad thing?"
It's BAD to politicize a non-political event.
"Anthony Teolis, treasurer of the Washington-area chapter of Veterans for Peace" "said it was being singled out because of its anti-war views."
Are their "anti-war views" political? If yes then they should be singled out.
"Teolis said "We are a veterans group like any other except we have the word 'peace' in our name,"
Nope, its cause you have a political agenda, and political agendas are not allowed in non- political event honoring the apolitical military.
It requires the Willing Suspension of Disbelief that these groups don't know that the military is apolitical.
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injest1 year, 7 months ago
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"Jim Roberts, president of the Arlington, Va.-based American Veterans Center said "We don't allow groups in the parade that are projecting an opinion. That goes for pro-mission as well as anti-war," Roberts said."
That's consistent much like the rejection coast to coast of IVAW and VFP types in this event.
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sumptuousdigs1 year, 7 months ago
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That's a good succinct summation of the view taken by the parade organizers and many citizens as well.
I think it's fair to posit that it takes a fair amount of suspension of disbelief to really believe that our military institutions are apolitical. Not only are men and women at arms charged with carrying out our political will outside the U.S., our National Guard are empowered by our State Governors in times that they are needed.
The brass in all branches are duly influenced by those that promise heftier procurements. It was the practice in the past to appoint military rank because of party or personal loyalties. Are you sure it is not still?
The traditions of the fighting forces rely on a certain amount of blind obedience,and acceptance of the lore, the sagas, and the self promoting history. This instills the esprit d'corps, and has been useful to help maintain unit cohesion, as well as command and control.
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sumptuousdigs1 year, 7 months ago
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Yet only the most naive, or the very young, can accept everything without question, or in toto. The young don't make good recruits only because they are the most fit. It is also because they can be molded. Inducted, indoctrinated, and in the field. A busy army is a maneuverable force, both logistically, and intellectually. The young grunt is often told what, how, and when to think.
The officer corps is a different animal. Think it's apolitical? When in the field their is none so like a God to a recruit, then the General Officer. Now he comes up to you and says..."you're gonna vote Republican, now, aren't cha son?".
When you're told that your ass is on the line with your vote, (and I'm not just alluding to the implied threat of disfavor with command), but your mortal life because the wrong vote could aid the enemy...well do you see where I'm going here. Have you dispensed with all of your disbelief?!
The military is very political, make no mistake about it.
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sumptuousdigs1 year, 7 months ago
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The military's form of politics, is it's chain of command. The proper description is that it is a dictatorship. It wouldn't function any other way.
Now I've mustered out and resume my life as a civilian. No longer under the chain of command, but still have lawful duties and restrictions regarding the uniform. Veteran soldiers don't make good units. They know too much. They also know that the service is the one institution in this country that you can't change from the inside.
UURRGHRAH!!
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injest1 year, 7 months ago
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sumptuousdigs
"I think it's fair to posit that it takes a fair amount of suspension of disbelief to really believe that our military institutions are apolitical. Not only are men and women at arms charged with carrying out our political will outside the U.S., our National Guard are empowered by our State Governors in times that they are needed"
Apolitical, as in not political as in does not support any political party.
This is really to understand you even stated it but apparently didn't get it so ill try and make it even more simple just for you okay?
"National Guard are empowered by our State Governors"
And the NG is the same if the governor is a Repub, Dem or other. In other words Apolitical.
"our political will outside the U.S" regardless if the Pres is a Dem Repub or other.
Hint it's the same with congress as well.
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sumptuousdigs1 year, 7 months ago
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injest for me? Thanks.
But you would do well to help yourself.
First look up the definition of politics. Note that it is not defined in the narrow constraints of parties. Now consider that a military parade is a political event usually attended by members of diverse parties, wanting to be seen in a patriotic light. Speeches and homages made to the noble (and to be honest, some not so noble) individuals that have made the sacrifices that we honor so deeply.
All of these events reek of the stench of political maneuvering. Admittedly the ideal of selfless patronage without agendas is put forth, but get in the real world.
Every military parade during wartime is prone to become the "National Strut". Does this really do honor to the ultimate sacrifice?
Or does it just make us feel better?
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injest1 year, 7 months ago
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jordan11, its the group that is band. They are political
From veterans for peace web site
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/
"Veterans For Peace Requests Meeting with Representative John Conyers About Impeachment"
That sure does sound like a "political group don't it.
"A national veterans' organization today sent a letter to Representative John Conyers, head of the House Judiciary Committee, requesting a meeting with him to deliver over 10,000 signatures on a petition to impeach George W. Bush."
Gathering signatures on a petition to impeach George W. Bush sounds like a political ACTION
"Jim Roberts, president of the Arlington, Va.-based American Veterans Center said "We don't allow groups in the parade that are projecting an opinion. That goes for pro-mission as well as anti-war," Roberts said."
That's consistent much like the rejection coast to coast of IVAW and VFP types in this event.
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tkyrchncs1 year, 7 months ago
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A decision to impeach need not be political at all. It is ideally a legal decision based on good evidence that the officer in question has committed "high crimes and misdemeanors". I don't think any party or political orientation is entirely free of lawbreakers or malfeasant members.
It could also be based on a moral view instead of a political view.
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jordan111 year, 7 months ago
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Nope, its cause you have a political agenda, and political agendas are not allowed in non- political event honoring the apolitical military.>>>>>
Peace is a political agenda? Peace is an AMERICAN agenda! The military isn't "apolitical!" Are you daft? The dreams, the hopes, the concerns...everything you can imagine in the lives of Americans, is expressed politically! That's how we merge. Otherwise, we'd all be afloat in our perspective places, with no connections. Our politics is our forum, and war & peace is part of that forum. The military isn't a separate entity. It's part & parcel of the American people, paid for by us! You talk nonsense!
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