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Posted By TechnologyExpert 1 year, 6 months ago in NewsBarack Obama criticized his likely general election rival John McCain on Wednesday where it could hurt most - the Arizona senator's reputation as a champion of ethics. Hillary Rodham Clinton, meanwhile, raised the possibility she might carry her fight to the Democratic convention floor.
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Justice4All1 year, 6 months ago
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This is all in Hillary's best interest. A fight to the end, even if it destroys the party is her only chance of getting the 2008 nomination.
And if she fails this year her next chance will be 2012 only if McCain wins the election. So anything she can do to win this year, or make sure Obama loses the presidential election is in her best interest.
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IanFraigun1 year, 6 months ago
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Problem is I expect someone running for president to have the best interest of the country and its people as the prime issue. If she destroys the party trying to get what has slipped from her grasp she definitely is the wrong person for the job not only this time but anytime in the future. All others have put the interest of the country ahead of their personal interests and dropped out when it became clear they could not win as they were not interested in destroying their party and possible the entire country. She is the only one not doing that, just like she was the only one not to remove her name from the Michigan ballot when all others did due to party rules. Self interest is good at times but not when you are running for this office.
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earthlingerer1 year, 6 months ago
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It's not about the party, in any case now. It's about the prize, and the competing vision of what each thinks is better for america.
As if I or anyone else would want someone as president who would just roll over and not fight for the job.
When they decided at first not to count Florida, that did much more damage to the party than Clinton did. Look at the "big contributors" who asked for their money back. Then look at those that just might not even vote, or will vote republican...
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bamababy1 year, 6 months ago
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Everyone agreed at the beginning that if FL and MI moved their primaries,their delegates would not be counted. Senator Clinton agreed then. She never expected to be in the position she's in and now that she's in it, she cries foul. Boo who Hillary. Play by the rules you agreed to from the start. I feel for the people who got screwed in all of this, but it's too late now. Can't change the rules at the end of the game. Once again she tries to twist things to her advantage. Tough stuff.
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Lurch1 year, 6 months ago
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you may be right, but I think if the media were honest, they would tell everyone that it was the Republican legislature and Republican Gov of FLA who cost the citizens of FLA the vote, again!
I just don`t understand how the same party could deny the people their democratic voice again, in less than a decade and nobody is up in arms.
I hope the truth comes out and they punish the people who deserve it.
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Blackacereturn1 year, 6 months ago
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Well said Ian, just when I think the entire world has gone mad a glimmer of hope. They are all talking about what a tough fighter she is, and that's all good and well but at some point you have to realize you are only harming yourself. Which I think she is, and by that I mean the party, and if her intent is to remain a DEM ultimately she is harming her chances of ever getting voted into any office again! Shortsighted people are always dangerous and thus far they have been nothing but shortsighted. I voted for her here in NY, a vote well placed at the time but since then i have developed a bad taste in my mouth for her conduct!
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1-2-Oscar1 year, 6 months ago
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A challenge to the rules at the convention would be futile. The seated delegates, a majority of whom will be committed to Sen. Obama, will then be asked to overturn their majority. Sen. Clinton knows that the only possible result will be another rejection and a deeper division within the Democratic Party, but she doesn't care. This is not about "fairness--it is about Hillary Clinton. This is not about what is good for the party--it is about Hillary Clinton. This not about what is good for the nation--it is about Hillary Clinton. If she is not the nominee, she is willing to destroy the Democratic Party and assure four to eight more years of Republican leadership.
No one in American political history has ever been so destructive, so relentless, and so dangerous to the continuance of a participatory republican form of government. Hillary Clinton is a monster.
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Justice4All1 year, 6 months ago
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It makes sense to her. If she loses this year she can hope to destroy Obama's chances so that McCain gets elected. Then she can run again in 2012. But if Obama is elected she will probably have to wait until 2020 when she is older than McCain is today.
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IanFraigun1 year, 6 months ago
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False logic. If she causes McCain to win by destroying Obama then she would be lucky in the future to get 10% of the party support she now has.
I have always said, as so many have, that I would vote for either one in November, but if she tries to overturn Obama's ability to win in November and destroy her party not only I, an Obama supporter, but my wife, a Hillary supprter, will never cast any ballot for her ever again. There are too many like that for your proposed methods to ever succeed for her.
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Justice4All1 year, 6 months ago
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The logic is flawed, but not false. She wants to be president and will let nothing stop her. If she supports Obama and he get's elected then her chance of ever running for president before 2020 is zero. If she causes him to lose and only has a 1% chance of winning in 2012 than that is a better chance than she has now.
All she has to do is fool the American people. If you don't think thats possible I refer you to the outcome of the 2004 election.
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 6 months ago
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1-2-Oscar:
The reason you repeat the phrase 'its all about Hillary Clinton' is because you are obsessed with the monster you have created in your mind.
Try this:
call her Sally; then consider the facts.
Sally is a good mother; married once, no divorce. Yale Law School, lots of ambition, lots of friends.
First Lady for 8 years; she was used as target practice by those aiming at her husband. She smiled, worked hard, didn't break.
Running for president, Sally has known for months she can not win the nomination. But Sally has style and stubborness; she doesn't like to quit.
At the convention, after every card is played, Sally will
concede with grace. As she said to Obama supporters, 'I will work my heart out for him'.
And why? Because she does not like to quit; and her goal is not the presidency for Sally, but to get a decent president for this country.
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joeblowe1 year, 6 months ago
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This isn't that hard to figure out. Hillary's primary campaign is several million dollars in the hole. By staying in the primary, she can continue to beg for money to help pay off that debt. Most of which is HER own money. Her strategy from now to the convention will PROBABLY be, cut WAY back on expenses and beg like mad to try to make up the shortfall.
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dandt16121 year, 6 months ago
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The Obama supporters keep shouting it's over, it's over. Hmmm... Makes me think they are afraid that something else might come out about him between now and the convention and turn voters to the other candidate. Besides if most of hillary's debt is her own money what does it matter to Obama's supporters? It's not their's. This process is not going to hurt the DNC party.
Hillary should be allowed to run her campaign till the very end. Period
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cushi1 year, 6 months ago
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How dumb is that? Everybody KNOWS that once he's declared the Democratic nominee, all the repugnicon weasels will come out on the attack immediately, with all KINDS of NONSENSE and FALSEHOODS for the gullible to open wide and swallow!
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cushi1 year, 6 months ago
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Shrillary is selling the citizens of FL and MI a bill of goods! She has no vested interest in their votes counting other than her own self interests!! It's not what she can do for them, but what they can (and I'll laugh out loud if they outsmart her) do for HER that matters.
I am absolutely shocked and appalled at her conduct since the outset of this campaign. She has clamped down on something she can't have like a pit bull, and will only manage to tear away flesh from the Democratic Party if somebody doesn't get her to heel!!
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Mdiar1 year, 6 months ago
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Sen. Clinton has every right to do this. She has activated many new voters for the Democratic Party, just as Sen. Obama has, and has broken many gender barriers. She deserves respect and has the right to carry on this nomination battle as long as she sees fit. Sen. Obama would have the same right if he were in the same situation. I only hope a compromise can be reached between these two candidates in this extremely close race.
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abntv1 year, 6 months ago
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I have said it before and I will say it again...
The Democratic Party will survive...and if it doesnt they only have themselves to blame.
You know back in August and September, nobody was allowed to say anything negative about Clinton...now half of her own party is ripping her apart and feeding her to the wolves. Only in America
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slate1 year, 6 months ago
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I think Hillary has the right to fight for the position, she has to be close or even ahead in the popular vote, I'm sure someone knows that for sure. She's close in the delegate count though the numbers are definitively against her.
It still comes down to the same question; if Obama were such a great inspiring leader, why are we still doing this in late May?
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slate1 year, 6 months ago
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Well I suppose I was being a tad sarcatic but seeing how people are fainting when he talks, news anchors getting 'thriils up their legs' and he's winning the contest, I really do hope that all those supporting him feel he's a great inspiring leader. If not, then why are they wasting their support on him?
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abntv1 year, 6 months ago
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If the Democratic party does not like what is going on in their primarys now they can change their rules...again..but IMO Clinton has every right to carry this out all the way to the convention..public opinion will then decide which one should be the nominee..the delegates will then vote depending on which one of the two can beat McCain
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OldHickory1 year, 6 months ago
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If Bush can use the Supreme Court to coronate him I'm amazed that Hillary hasn't pursued 'legal' recourse to have the Michigan and Florida votes counted. Precedent has already been set to take the election out of the hands of the electorate.
You go girl! Hang in there until the bitter end. BO is bad for America. Period.
Semper fi.
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jordan111 year, 6 months ago
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I'm so sick of this. They need to do Florida and Michigan over again. It would be wrong to count Michigan's first votes when Obama wasn't even on the ticket. People have offered to pay for the elections to be done over, so just do it! WTH is wrong with the DNC, anyway? This race is too close to be screwing around with this.
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