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"They stick my head into the water and in the same time they punched me into my stomach so I had to inhale all this water." Ã¢â;¬" Murat Kurnaz

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jovial3 months ago

This way they can say it isn't really waterboarding, but is it still torture?
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  alakazam2 months, 4 weeks ago
  
  It is Jovial.
  It's Torture.
  Pathetic that any American would do such a thing.
  I wonder how many would do it with Jesus watching?
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    ML20072 months, 4 weeks ago
    
    George Bush and Dick Cheney would. Isn't Jesus watching?
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  tiredofwhiners2 months, 4 weeks ago
  
  No.
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hdthehn3 months ago

Another piece of evidence I hope they can use to try, convict and capitally punish the lawless, warring dick-taters in the Bush cabal.
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  libsRfunny3 months ago
  
  Yawn.
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    dissent2 months, 4 weeks ago
    
    try that with your head in a bucket
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      jovial2 months, 4 weeks ago
      
      LMAO!
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      ML20072 months, 4 weeks ago
      
      ROFLMAO
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Spadecaller3 months ago

"Water Treatment"
How many terms are used by the CIA, Bush, Cheney, and the rest of these hoodlums to conceal the victimizaton of prisoners?
Do they actually think people are that stupid to believe that there has only been three cases?
Time to put an end to Guantanomo and go to the U.N. and file a grievance against our government for international creimes against humanity. Americans who condone and ignore these war crimes will deserve to be harsly rebuked by history.
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Codi69343 months ago

I don't see a problem.
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  jordan113 months ago
  
  Then you have a problem.
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    jovial3 months ago
    
    That's conservative humor.
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      Spadecaller3 months ago
      
      ultra conservative. ha!
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        Spadecaller3 months ago
        
        How do you win the war on terrorism? I have yet to see anyone ever explain a cogent response to that simple question. But we sure have a enough wackos running around pledging to win the war on terrorism. How?
        Most of it isn't even organized...
        Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld are responsible for more terrorism than any other hate group in the world. Explain that one...
        
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        libsRfunny2 months, 4 weeks ago
        
        "How do you win the war on terrorism?"
        Just like we are doing now in Iraq. Build infrastructure, give the people a better standard of living while al Qaeda continually turns off the very people they try to intimidate and control.
        But, you'll never believe it.
        BUsh Cheney and Rumsfeld responsible for terrorism .. that is a STUPID comment. But not surprising.
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        libsRfunny2 months, 4 weeks ago
        
        http://talismangate.blogspot.com/2008/05/fascin...
        A prolific jihadist sympathizer has posted an 'explosive' study on one of the main jihadist websites in which he laments the dire situation that the mujaheddin find themselves in Iraq by citing the steep drop in the number of insurgent operations conducted by the various jihadist groups, most notably Al-Qaeda's 94 percent decline in operational ability over the last 12 months when only a year and half ago Al-Qaeda accounted for 60 percent of all jihadist activity!
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        Spadecaller2 months, 4 weeks ago
        
        Are you really that ignorant about the civil war that will continue to go in Iraq no matter what we do?
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        tiredofwhiners2 months, 4 weeks ago
        
        Not a civil war but an attmpted terrorist takeover.
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        tiredofwhiners2 months, 4 weeks ago
        
        Not a civil war but an attempted terrorist takeover.
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        GWHayduke2 months, 4 weeks ago
        
        Yes.
        And see whiner's post too - another qualifier.
        Dontcha see - call it terra-ism, wrap the stars and stripes around it, and you can do NO wrong.
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        jovial2 months, 4 weeks ago
        
        Libs, why don't you submit that story. Talking about a yawn. LMAO!
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        jordan112 months, 4 weeks ago
        
        "How do you win the war on terrorism?"
        Just like we are doing now in Iraq.>>>>>
        We're winning nothing in Iraq. The Iraqi's had zero to do with terrorism. Nada, zilch.
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        GWHayduke2 months, 4 weeks ago
        
        What are you talking about?
        The invasion of Iraq opened the door WIDE to all kinds of terra-ists.
        You have to create something to eliminate it.
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    Codi69343 months ago
    
    They view us as weak. If we were to react harsher to there actions. Then they might take us more serious for a change. Then and only then will our chances of winning this war increase.
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      sumptuousdigs3 months ago
      
      Codi6934....That argument has been put forth time and again. I'm not buying it. Strength and good character make good bedfellows. Can I use the "the devil made me do it" defense at will? I don't think so. We are a society of laws. That is our strength, and our salvation.
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        Codi69343 months ago
        
        I am not saying "the devil made me do it". This is something that we enter with open eyes and mind so when it is over we can reel in our operators and say good job. That are did for a reason not by accident. If you have not noticed good will and charcter are getting there a*ses kicked. The enemy has noticed this and started to use it against us. People are starting to sympathize with them. The suicide bombers, the beheadings, the mass graves, killing citizens that don't agree or are helping us is all being over looked. More are worried if we keep them awake to long or pour water in their face. We are confused on who is the bad guy now. That is our problem, we are starting to think that we(U.S.) are the bad guys now. And we are not!
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        sumptuousdigs3 months ago
        
        We may become the bad guys by using bad tactics. By saying the ends justify the means, whatever the cost, then you are giving the devil his due.
        It's not so much the ideological mindset of the people we are fighting, but their heinous actions that have aroused our indignation and the call for self defense. It alarms me that some would condone resorting to similar tactics, as if we are incapable of losing our soul.
        If we mirror the actions of those we find barbaric, how can you tell the difference. By divining the spirit?
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        sumptuousdigs3 months ago
        
        ...and did 'they' miscalculate us? Or did our leaders make a grave error, and not only take the bait, but plant both feet firmly in a bear trap? Read much military history? Research a few guerilla campaigns and check out the strategy as well as the tactics. Start with the American Revolution. Or what the British called the Rebellion of the Colonies.
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        Codi69343 months ago
        
        That is what we need to do. To defeat them we will have to become what we are fighting. Settlers became good Indian fighters in the Ohio Valley, using there tactics(French and Indain War, later War 1812). We used the same tactics in the Revolutionary War against the British. The same when the Indians were pushed out west. The one thing we hate, we may to become to win this war. I don't like it either. But the ends will justify the means. As long as it saves my country, my countrymen, I can live with it.
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        jordan113 months ago
        
        To defeat them we will have to become what we are fighting.>>>>
        Based on what history did you come up with that assertion?
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        sumptuousdigs2 months, 4 weeks ago
        
        Hate is the motivator? Would you be prone to agree with Phillip Sheridan's statement, that: "Nits make lice". ?
        When you talk about destroying enemies ala WWII, are you suggesting that the U.S. destroy the entire ME to kill the terrorists? I think your thinking is terribly flawed.
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        GHOSTWHOWALKS2 months, 4 weeks ago
        
        Codi that is pure Bull Pucky. Typical response when not intelligent answer is readily available. Crawl back into your cave.
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        ML20072 months, 4 weeks ago
        
        Codi, you are wrong about the bad guys not being in the US. When you tell me the end justifies the means, you are the bad guy. Yes, you can murder, rape, steal, and do whatever as long as it justifies that Codi and his clan survive. You posted above "But the ends will justify the means. As long as it saves my country, my countrymen, I can live with it." If you continue to push your values off on the rest of us and it comes to the place where we lose our freedom to speak up against such lawless tyranny, many of your countrymen may rise up to smite you and yours down. I would think about that, Codi, before you let your mouth overload your ass.
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        Codi69342 months, 4 weeks ago
        
        ML2007, GHOSTWHOWALKS, sumptuousdigs
        You (all) have given great examples that we(the U.S.) don't have the will to fight this war to win. We adapted to our enemies, used there TTP's against them. But No One wants to , nor will allow us the act as our enemy. A sample fact, they will stop at nothing to kill us. But we will now allow ourselves to become what we need to be to defeat them. That is our problem. I don't want to whole ME killed. Just the sh*theads that help/aide/train/command people to strap bombs to themselves and kill non-believers.
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        Beau78903 months ago
        
        Codi, the problem is that people who weren't terrorists are getting confused about who is the bad guy...and they're more likely to become terrorists themselves.
        And above, you said if we reacted more harshly, they might stop. But I really don't think a suicide bomber cares what you might do to him.
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        Codi69343 months ago
        
        The suicide bomber is only a tool, like a gun. It is the guy(s)that sent the bomber on his/her mission that we want. They are the ones we need to "interview" harshly.
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        Beau78903 months ago
        
        Do you believe it's organized that well?
        Al-Qaeda is a loosely collected group of cells. There is no strategic directive.They believe in the ideology more than the leader.
        Kill off Osama and there'll be another to manage finances.
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        Codi69343 months ago
        
        Every cell answers to someone. Nothing happens in a vacuum.
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        sumptuousdigs2 months, 4 weeks ago
        
        It seems you have an intimate knowledge of these things. Has anyone been by to interview you?
        A loose group with diverse affiliations and support is lethal for one strike in general. Guess what, the U.S. is full of them. Most of these outfits are not Moslems, but homegrown wackos. Some have claimed to be Christians and bombed abortion clinics. Do you support this kind of terrorism?
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        Codi69342 months, 4 weeks ago
        
        Those organizations have become a law enforcement(LE) problem ,now.
        I have problems with terrorist period. On a side note, why are people supporting a presidential candidate with ties to a domestic terrorist?)
        We have learned from them. And LE are catching some but not all. This won't be easy, and that has been said time and time again. A bad guy is a bad guy, don't make the good guy look like a bad guy when he is really the good guy. I can't put it any more simpler.
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        jovial2 months, 4 weeks ago
        
        There are no ties, but what lies remaining in conservative minds.
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        Codi69342 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        I am not talking about ties. How we adapted to make them less of a threat.
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        Codi69342 months, 4 weeks ago
        
        Read your history. Nothing every happens in a vaccum. I have fought these people twice. If "they" acted independently(sp?) nothing would be accomplished. Loose groups, yes, better security. But they all answer to someone to maxiumize their power.
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      cowboygrandpa2 months, 4 weeks ago
      
      Codi:
      First of all according to Bush we've already won. Of course his idea of winning seems strange.
      Secondly to fight terror with increases terror daily. If you terrorise me and I fight back with terror against you you get people to help you I get people to help me. Soon we have terrorists fighting everywhere and it is the norm.
      Lets just say that to prove how hard I am I cut the heads of the victims off and put them on poles. So you do that and add another body part to show you are more fierce.
      We just keep escalating and nothing ends. Try this you walk in you win you leave with a warning that you will return if there is more trouble. No blow hard crap. Just bam!!! You kick as* take names and beat the enemy. You demoralize them by the ease of your victory.
      Bush is empire building that is why this crap is happening.
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        Codi69342 months, 4 weeks ago
        
        But we are lacking that will to go in and totally destroy our enemy. We fight now with kid gloves. We destroyed Germany and Japan long befroe we started to rebuild them. People today would see pictures of starving kids and freak. We bomber cities in Germany that had no tactic value at all. We just wanted to punish the Germans. We can't do that now,or we are not allowed to that now.
        We are trying to rebuild during the storm. It might work but you will have set backs. The Ameican public does not like setbacks. Great ideal I like it, but we are missing the key ingredient: the WILL TO DO IT.
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        cowboygrandpa2 months, 4 weeks ago
        
        Codi:
        It wasn'ttopunish the germans or japanese it was to break their wiil to continue backing the governments.
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        Codi69342 months, 4 weeks ago
        
        To punish them for being Nazi's. To break there will to fight. It is the same thing.
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      ML20072 months, 4 weeks ago
      
      Codi, in all my life I have never met "they". So, maybe you can introduce them to me. You are pretending to know who they are, where they are, and why they are, so, who exactly is "they"? Where are "they"? Why are "they"? If you mean Osama Bin Laden, where is he? LOL
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        Codi69342 months, 4 weeks ago
        
        I use the term "these people" and people get mad at me.
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sumptuousdigs3 months ago

Torture...no, just an intense gargle technique. I won't be too surprised if the 'monkey' comes by to challenge the veracity of the story.
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jordan113 months ago

They need to release the names of people who treat other humans like this, just like with pedophiles. I sure as hell don't want them living in my neighborhood!
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  Spadecaller3 months ago
  
  They could put the victims on our veteran's waiting list for PTSD treatment.
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ETproductions2 months, 4 weeks ago

In the latest piece of ConMan idiocy from the administration, they insist that the detainees in Guantanamo are just making up all these stories of mistreatment, desecration of the Koran, etc.
Meanwhile, they also insist that when they do torture prisoners, they always get the truth. There is no way these detainees could be creative enough to make up something to stop the torture. They can only make things up when they are NOT tortured.
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alakazam2 months, 4 weeks ago

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GHOSTWHOWALKS2 months, 4 weeks ago

To defeat them we will have to become what we are fighting. What a load of horse sh*t. As a former member of the military I refuse to be the animal i'm fighting. To do so would degrade me and make me less that I am.
Dipstick condi needs to do some reading on the UCMJ and the Constitution.
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tiredofwhiners2 months, 4 weeks ago

I'm getting bored and will go back to eBay. It's more fun. Waterboarding, water treatment, Guantamano, whatever works. Most of you will never be hired by the CIA. Possibly Al-Quaeda though. They would like many of your outlooks. They don't want to be "prompted" to cough up information. False stories are checked out. If proven to be false, they are given more severe punishment as a penalty.
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  jovial2 months, 4 weeks ago
  
  If they keep up these horrid activities they will be judged the same. CIA, Al Qaeda, Mujaheedin, Hamas, or any other entity that tortures and/or kills their prisoners.
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    tiredofwhiners2 months, 4 weeks ago
    
    Good to hear.
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  GWHayduke2 months, 4 weeks ago
  
  Tell the ladies at Ebay 'hello'!
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    tiredofwhiners2 months, 4 weeks ago
    
    Sexist comment but anyway, "Hello ladies!"
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ML20072 months, 4 weeks ago

Trickle down information I am afraid is all we will ever hear about the truth at these torture sights. At least ways, in our generation.
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