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NoSpinDave1 year, 6 months ago
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I will say it. No prob. It IS a B I G difference! While these comments seem to be authentic (and horrible and I would denounce them 100 percent) there is ZERO EVIDENCE that McCain EVER knew about them.
On the other hand B H O CLEARLY knew all the things his PERSONAL PASTOR was saying over a TWENTY YEAR PERIOD.
THIS IS A GREAT SWERVE, but anyone with any brain understands the diffenence.
I expect nothing less than the usual INTELLECTUAL DISHONESTY from ANOTHER one of Libscapes left wing extremist, partisan Navs though.
Still waiting (after two years) for a post from a conservative nav here. Kinda sad really how biased this site has become.
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lfergie8121 year, 6 months ago
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"Kinda sad really how biased this site has become."
Truth still hurts I see. It's only bias if you strongly disagree with it. Of course I'm also sure that you believe that FOX News is "fair and balance" reporting while MSNBC is bias. Get a life Dave.
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IanFraigun1 year, 6 months ago
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First of all McCain knew of his intolerance on many issues and still asked for his endorsement meaning he must agree with the comments. As far as Obama this is not his personal pastor but rather the pastor of a church Obama and hundreds of others belong to. Congregants do not agree with all things their pastors say in any church, but when you ask someone to support you then you are saying you believe in what they stand for.
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ybdogsct1 year, 6 months ago
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I agree, IAN. What neocons like NOSPINDAVE also ignore is the absurdity of accusing Obama to be racist against whites despite the fact that:
1) Obama is half-white himself
2) Obama was raised by his white mother and grandmother after his black father left his family
3) Obama attended predominantly-white Columbia and Harvard Universities and taught at predominantly-white University of Illinois
4) most of Obama's campaign advisors are white
In fact, the only reason Barack Obama and Jeremiah Wright know each other is because both were working to serve the poor and marginalized minorities of Chicago - Obama through his legal practice and Wright through his ministry. Their paths crossed as they were both serving the same demographic.
While Obama doesn't agree with everything Wright has said, Obama DOES respect Jeremiah Wright's ACTIONS, particularly Wright's service to his country in the military and his service to the poor in his ministry.
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ybdogsct1 year, 6 months ago
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ENDOSCOPY:
"Read Obama's books."
Read McCain's words. While Obama has never been quoted uttering a racist slur, McCain has been MULTIPLE times.
LOL.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,259282,00.html
"McCain used the term 'tar baby.' He hoped it wouldn't be viewed as a racial remark."
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/hongop.shtml
"Sen. McCain told reporters, 'I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live.'"
http://archive.salon.com/politics2000/feature/2...
"Richard Quinn, McCain's chief South Carolina advisor in 2000, who edits a racially controversial magazine called Southern Partisan called Nelson Mandela a 'terrorist' and MLK a man 'whose role in history was to lead his people into a perpetual dependence on the welfare state, a terrible bondage of body and soul.' Quinn said of former KKK leader David Duke, 'What better way to reject politics as usual than to elect a maverick like David Duke?'"
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ybdogsct1 year, 6 months ago
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http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?AC...
"In 2000, McCain reversed himself on the confederate flag first calling it 'a symbol of racism and slavery' but then pandering the very next day by calling it a 'symbol of heritage.'
McCain campaigned in Alabama for George Wallace Jr., a popular speaker the Council of Conservative Citizens, whose mission statement reads:
'We believe that the U.S. derives from and is an integral part of European civilization and the European people and that the American people and government should remain European in their composition and character. We also oppose all efforts to mix the races of mankind, to promote non-white races over the European-American people through so-called "affirmative action" and similar measures, to destroy or denigrate the European-American heritage, including the heritage of the Southern people, and to force the integration of the races."
LOL
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ybdogsct1 year, 6 months ago
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http://news.propeller.com/story/2008/04/04/mcca...
"Speaking at a ceremony marking the 40th anniversary of Martin Luther King Jr.'s death, John McCain said he was wrong to initially oppose a government holiday in memory of the civil rights leader. The comments were met with audible boos and interruptions from many in the audience, as he apologized for repeatedly opposing the creation of a holiday commemorating MLK."
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ybdogsct1 year, 6 months ago
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http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/02/20/ameri...
"Obama had his pick of top law firms. He chose Miner's Chicago civil rights firm, where he represented community organizers, discrimination victims, and black voters. 'It's a real do-good firm,' says Fay Clayton. 'wasn't going to make as much money as he would in New York, but money was never Barack's first priority anyway.'"
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com...
"The following were developed under Dr. Wright: assisted living facilities for senior citizens, day care for children, pastoral care and counseling, health care, ministries for persons living with HIV/AIDS, hospice training, prison ministry, scholarships for thousands of students to attend historically black colleges, youth ministries, tutorial and computer programs, a church library, domestic violence programs and scholarships and fellowships for women and men attending seminary."
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jovial1 year, 6 months ago
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Here's another goody. Has anyone ever heard of Ron Parsley??
McCain called him his spiritual guide. Here's the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVVX9aTNKB4
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tanglang1 year, 6 months ago
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I've seen this comment before.
http://religion.propeller.com/story/2008/05/22/...
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ybdogsct1 year, 6 months ago
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It doesn't take much to see that Wright and Obama know each other because they collaborated on community projects together, but have otherwise very different philosophies and temperaments. This is the Jeremiah Wright that Barack Obama knows. I dare say Obama's perspective of Jeremiah Wright is far deeper than what can be captured from a handful of soundbytes, which is about as much as NOSPINDAVE knows about Jeremiah Wright.
Meanwhile, John McCain and John Hagee NEVER collaborated on community projects. ALL McCain knew about Hagee is what he has read about in the paper, which includes Hagee's rants against Catholics and Jews. In spite of this, McCain ACTIVELY SOUGHT Hagee's endorsement, demonstrating McCain will do or say ANYTHING to get elected - even embrace those whom he once called "Agents of Intolerance."
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cloud151 year, 6 months ago
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"First of all McCain knew of his intolerance on many issues and still asked for his endorsement meaning he must agree with the comments"
Thats just a plain old fallacy right there...no need to really argue against it.
"As far as Obama this is not his personal pastor but rather the pastor of a church Obama and hundreds of others belong to"
Rev. Wright was like family to Obama. He was married by Wright. He wrote about Wright. He declared that Wright was like a mentor and an Uncle to him. That is FAR more than just "the pastor of a church Obama and hundreds of others belong to"
As for Hagee, the mans a monster. I think McCain was wrong for seeking his endorsement, but I think he was really just seeking the vote of the loonies who follow the man. I mean if you say that McCain must believe everything Hagee does, then the same can be said about Obama and Wright. But back to McCain, I think he should try to get rid of Hagee's endorsement.
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jordan111 year, 6 months ago
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On the other hand B H O CLEARLY knew all the things his PERSONAL PASTOR was saying over a TWENTY YEAR PERIOD.>>>>
There's the problem with this conversation. You see, WHAT the pastor was saying was correct. HOW he was saying it was his error. You don't seem to think that Obama had the common sense to get by the 'how', & focus on the 'what.' However, his life's conduct clearly shows that he did that very well.
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cloud151 year, 6 months ago
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"You see, WHAT the pastor was saying was correct."
....ummm no, no it wasn't. Unless you believe the government created AIDs as a means of genocide against people of color.
"In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01. White America and the western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just 'disappeared' as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns."
"Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run!â;¦We [in the U.S.] believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God."
Ya the man really tells the truth now doesn't he...
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jordan111 year, 6 months ago
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ummmmm, yes it was. And I'm speaking of the number that white society has done on black Americans because of prejudice. As for AIDS, given the other slimy things our government has done (like sterilizing children deemed 'retarded' or 'slow'), and the experiments done on black Americans over Syphilis without their knowledge, NOTHING would surprise me.
What's that saying? Oh yeah "burn me once, shame on you. Burn me twice, shame on me." Not at all hard to see why Wright would suspect 'the man.'
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cloud151 year, 6 months ago
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Ya the government made AIDs to kill black people even though when it first showed up it was thought to be a GAY only disease. If the government wanted to kill blacks, AIDs would be the worst way to do it. Its stupid to believe AIDs was made for genocide, as it effects the ENTIRE human race.
And yes, the past has been tragic for black in America. Slavery, segregation and racism has held them down for over 200 years, but the comments Wright makes goes beyond that. He believes that TODAY the government is going out of its way to hold down and repress blacks, which I personally believe is completely false.
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questionseverything1 year, 6 months ago
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wright is from a dif era
things r changing and getting better but if u had lived thru what he had ur outlook would be different
look at what wright said in his damn america speech
the govt supplies the drugs(rememebr ollie north under reagan bringing in cocaine)
the govt builds better prisons than schools
the 3 strike law (which isnt just aimed against blacks but all low income americans)
his tone was hurtful but he didnt lie
hagee on the other hand is very offense claiming the Lord sent the nazis after the jews
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jordan111 year, 6 months ago
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I didn't say Wright was correct in his assertion about AIDS. My point was that as a black man who lived prejudice and saw what it did to black people insidiously every day, he has no trust left. Whose fault is that? The man is clearly affected by his life experiences, but he at least deserves credit for reaching out to others who were affected. Obama clearly admired that about him, and so do I.
On the one hand you'll admit the tragedy of the treatment of black people, but I find it ironic that you won't allow the anger that might come over that treatment. I have to wonder how you would react, were it you it was happening to.
Another irony, is that HIV was allowed to get out of hand when our government ignored it because after all, it was only happening to 'gays," they thought. Thousands dead because of prejudice. Be it black people, or gay people, or any other minority that powerful people target, there isn't a whole lot to trust if you're one of those minorities.
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ybdogsct1 year, 6 months ago
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DAVE:
"there is ZERO EVIDENCE that McCain EVER knew about them."
Your justification is weak.
If McCain didn't know what Hagee had said, then why would McCain say he didn't agree with everything Hagee had said? How can you deny what you don't know?
http://www.cjr.org/campaign_desk/the_mccainhage...
"McCain assured reporters that, just because Hagee was endorsing him, it didn't mean he agreed with everything Hagee said."
Even AFTER McCain was informed of Hagee's hateful rants by a reporter, McCain insisted he was "proud of Hagee's support."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-hamsher/mcca...
"Mr. McCain said he was 'very honored' by Mr. Hagee's endorsement. Asked about Mr. Hagee's writings on Armageddon and about Mr. Hagee's belief that the anti-Christ will be the head of the EU, Mr. McCain responded that 'all I can tell you is that I am very proud to have Pastor John Hagee's support.'"
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ybdogsct1 year, 6 months ago
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McCain even went out of his way to DEFEND Hagee's comments after he was informed of them by a reporter.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/29/john-h...
HAGEE: "It's true that [John] McCain's campaign sought my endorsement."
John McCain defended Pastor Hagee's comments today, saying he believe Hagee's claims that his statements were taken out of context.
MCCAIN: "I will say that Hagee said that his words were taken out of context, he defends his position.."
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/11/mccain-hage...
McCain then said he could look past Hagee's bigoted comments because 'when we were doing the No Surrender tour, he came and spoke on behalf of not surrendering in Iraq.'"
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jordan111 year, 6 months ago
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McCain then said he could look past Hagee's bigoted comments because 'when we were doing the No Surrender tour, he came and spoke on behalf of not surrendering in Iraq.'>>>
1. We're not at war. There is nothing to 'surrender' to.
2. Anyone who looks past bigoted remarks is not to be trusted. Are you paying attention there in Florida, you stupid "log cabin republicans?'
Oh. McCain just said what Hagee said about hitler was bad. He'll pander to the Jewish vote, but to hell with homosexual Americans.
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ybdogsct1 year, 6 months ago
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In breaking news, it looks like under increasing pressure, McCain has finally decided to flip flop and reject Hagee's endorsement.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/22/mccain.h...
"McCain told CNN's Brian Todd that he rejected the endorsement after Todd brought to his attention Hagee's comments that Adolf Hitler had been fulfilling God's will by hastening the desire of Jews to return to Israel in accordance with biblical prophecy.
Shortly after McCain's announcement Thursday afternoon, Hagee withdrew his endorsement, citing critics who had been 'grossly misrepresenting' his positions. 'I hope that the Sen. McCain will accept this withdrawal so that he may focus on the issues that are most important to America and the world,' Hagee said."
When the going gets rough, McCain flip flops. Man of integrity, or man of flip floppery?
Now, we can add this to the embarrassingly long and growing list of McCain flip flops.
LOL.
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dunkirk1 year, 6 months ago
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ROFLMAO, Dave you seem to enjoy spinning anything you come in contact with. You of course can point to the legislation that Obama supported and/or authored that furthered what his pastor was talking about? Ya know since he believes in those things so much he MUST have tried to push it in legislation. Oh yeah he didn't. Dang reality always tends ot blow holes in you guys.
however when you look at what the REPUBLICANS do they seem intent on pushing the hate mongers like Hagee and Robertson onto all Americans i.e. funding for religious madrasas in the US, hiring bible students into the DOJ. Tsk Tsk reality has to really be problem with your spin Dave.
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Blackacereturn1 year, 6 months ago
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I wonder what this say to the so-call not voting for Obama because of Rev Wright. I guess now we get to see who is about race and who is about substance? In my mind they are both meaningless, the issues are the only thing that should matter.
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bubba21 year, 6 months ago
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NoSpinDave --
Have YOU sat in the Pews were Wright preached for the last 20 years, EVERY SUNDAY?
If not, then you have NO idea WHAT Wright said in his sermons over the past 20 years. None at all.
The ONLY sermon, from which only SOUNDBITES have been played, is 7 years old and the soundbites are definitely taken out of context.
There is NO documentation to support the "blanket generalization that Wright and/or his church have preached any "hate" or "anti-patriotic" anything for 20 years.
But you have accepted that face-value spin, which is exactly what FOX New and the neocons WANT you to do.
Try reading some of this - if you can open you mind up enough ...
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/michael_tom...
http://truthabouttrinity.blogspot.com/
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ETproductions1 year, 6 months ago
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AllSoinDave wrote: "It IS a B I G difference! While these comments seem to be authentic (and horrible and I would denounce them 100 percent) there is ZERO EVIDENCE that McCain EVER knew about them."
I have noticed that EVERYTHING your RepugniCons do is entirely different from Democrats doing the same thing. Your rules. We can do anything, and it is good. You can do anything and it is bad.
Sorry, my friend. I play by the rules of the universe, not the warped rules of your partisan hate campaign.
There is also ZERO EVIDENCE Obama knew about his pastor's more outrageous statements. What is clear is McCain sought out the endorsements of Hagee, Parsley, Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell. We know what Hagee and Parsley have said. Falwell and Robertson had both claimed that 911 was God's punishment of America. No better or worse than Wright. Yet they get a free pass?
It calls into question McCain's judgment. His ability to run things. No vetting?
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