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ETproductions1 year, 5 months ago
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The Iraq war had NOTHING to do with protecting America. Saddam had no WMDs and even if he had them, he had no ICBMs, no long rang bombers, no aircraft carriers, in fact no real navy of any kind. What are you chickenhawk afraid of from a country like Iraq? Do you think Saddam was going to launch a flotilla of rowboats across the Indian, South Atlantic, North Atlantic and Gulf of Mexico to invade Texas?
Instead of making us safer, invading Iraq distracted Bushie Boy from the real enemy, al Qaeda. It greatly strengthened Iran and thereby their surrogates, Hamas and Hezbollah. It set up a Shiia noose around Israel. This fiasco has made us and our ally, Israel far less secure.
The cost in blood and treasure to make this mess? Over 4,000 American lives and over $600 billion and counting. Long range costs are projected to top out at $3 trillion if we stop sometime soon. All to accomplish WHAT? Make a bunch of chickenhawks feel proud and happy?
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Teagen1 year, 5 months ago
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First, if I'm a chicken hawk you're simply a chicken.
You really need to look at the 20 years of intel our illustrious CIA had on him. As to WMD's what are you talking about. WMD is a terrible term. It's way too general. It includes biological, chemical, and nuclear. We've found and reported the thousands of chemical and bio shells we've found and continue to find. Your media never reports that information anymore.
As to working with terror, AlQeada isn't the only terrorist group out there. Saddam worked with many and had his own.
http://regimeofterror.com/archives/2006/05/form...
http://meria.idc.ac.il/journal/2002/issue3/jv6n...
On your casualties, 4000 troops, that's very light. We lost that many in the first 15 min. of D-Day. Now before you attack me, I lost my first husband in the Afghan mountains 5 years ago. So I do know sacrifice. I also know we're seeing good come out of this and that this was the right thing to do.
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Will13131 year, 5 months ago
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We've found and reported the thousands of chemical and bio shells we've found and continue to find.
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really if ANY such weapons were found Bush would call a news conference in the Rose Garden.. and gas Nancy Pelosi live on national tv.. while dancing and saying I TOLD YOU SO.. I TOLD YOU SO...
you ain't found sh*t that was worth anything.. nothing..
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djn3nunez31 year, 5 months ago
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They did find some Chemical Weapons.
The reason they don't report them is because they have "Made Possible by the USA" stamped on them. You see, St. Raygun took Saddam off the States who sponser terrorism in 1982 so he could aid Saddam in the war against Iran. That opened the floodgate for allied and US companies to sell him the goodies he need to make those weapons. Most of them were destroyed in combat or by the weapons inspectors during the 90's. Nothing new was found. No huge stock piles. No manufacturing plants. Nothing they Bush administration touted as one of the justification for the invasion and removal of Saddam.
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Teagen1 year, 5 months ago
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Numb nuts, it was held in Qatar and released by Fallon's staff. There were rounds on top of rounds found. The media's response was that they were old and not functional. While the old detonators were bad, the chemicals inside were just as deadly.
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Ratskii1 year, 5 months ago
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I really find it hard to believe that you right wingers keep bringing up those old, pre-1991 rounds that weren't functional. Bush himself admitted that this wasn't what he meant when he said Saddam had WMD. (I recall him saying it on national television.)
And yes, the national news did mention them back when Santorum and a few of his ilk tried to say that they were justification for our invasion. Do you also recall that Santorum lost his reelection bid?
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Teagen1 year, 5 months ago
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1991 sarin is just as deadly as it was the day it they filled the shells. One of the dangers we've had with these concerns the insurgents. They're very good using old shells for the IED's. One thing they're not good at is identifying the biological, chemical or standard shells. They've used all of them but fortunately the gas and bio tend to fail. That's a very good thing. Many of the IED's are used in civilian areas. Most of the time our people can contain and deal with the duds.
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Will13131 year, 5 months ago
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again you show complete ignorance.....
Sarin has a relatively short shelf life, and will degrade after a period of several weeks to several months. The shelf life may be greatly shortened by impurities in precursor materials. According to the CIA,[2] in 1989 the Iraqi Government destroyed 40 or more tons of sarin that had decomposed, and that some Iraqi sarin had a shelf life of only a few weeks, owing mostly to impure precursors.
Like other nerve agents, sarin can be chemically deactivated with a strong alkali. Sodium hydroxide can be used in a hydrolysis reaction to destroy sarin, converting it to effectively harmless sodium salts.[3]
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ETproductions1 year, 5 months ago
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Teagen wrote: "First, if I'm a chicken hawk you're simply a chicken."
I send my sorrow to you on your loss, and thanks for his service. That was a war we needed to fight. It might have made sense to do so, and win it instead of invading Iraq.
As to my being a chicken, my dad served in the Navy in WWII and in Europe during reconstruction. I served in the Navy. My son just commissioned as a 2nd Lieutenant in the Infantry. So don't you dare lecture me about my being afraid to serve my country with my blood and treasure.
As to the rest of your argument, it's too ludicrous to waste time disputing.
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djn3nunez31 year, 5 months ago
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"Long range costs are projected to top out at $3 trillion if we stop sometime soon. All to accomplish WHAT?"
It's all about the money. Haliburton stock 5 years ago was selling for about $12 a share. Today it is selling around $48. Exxon 5 years ago was at $36, now at $90 . Not to mention everyone who own oil. Lets see he who has the most oil benefits the most, hmmm, who would that be. Hint, GW's hand hold'en buddy of course......
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/...
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Teagen1 year, 5 months ago
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Thank you for you family's service. Where's your son stationed? Hopefully in Germany or somewhere nice and quiet to learn the job. I've seen both green and veteran troops get hurt here, the vets handle the stresses much better.
As to the lectures, sorry about that. I've run into a few folks that love to "tell" me how bad war is from watching MASH. As a navy man you know what I mean. Even worse, we've run into a group of politicians visiting. My pop was a lifer in the Marines. Did tours in WW2 and Korea. They referred to them as garret troopers. To far forward to shine their shoes and wear ties but too far behind the lines to get shot. We have a lot of garret troopers around here.
Have a great Memorial Day. Oh, one question, who do you root for now? Navy or Army?
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ETproductions1 year, 5 months ago
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So far, he's still here in Massachusetts. He'll have to head out to several training schools including Ranger school before deploying. So we don't yet know where he will get sent.
I'm no dove. I know we must be ever vigilant. There are petty dictators and selfish, power-hungry leaders all around the world who would come and grab all we have struggled to build if they had any chance of getting away with it.
But I truly believe the Iraq war should never have been authorized and never been fought. Trouble is it was authorized and is being fought. I pray we don't make things worse by needlessly attacking Iran while we have troops stationed right across their border.
Happy Memorial Day to you too, and to all here on Propeller. And as to who I root for, My son can choose his heroes, but old habits die hard. Navy every time!
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