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slate1 year, 6 months ago
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They also introduced methyl tertiary butyl ether(MTBE) as a gasoline additive as well, that has polluted our shallow aquifers for 20 years now. Though it has been very good to the environmental consulting industry, unintended consequences can be devastating. Ethanol is another example, it takes more energy to make than it generates and causes basic staple shortages in third world countries.
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slate1 year, 6 months ago
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bruhaha1 year, 6 months ago
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Actually, you got negged because yet again, you peg every problem on "libs." I suppose you think that we should have kept the leaded gasoline?
And not all "libs" support ethanol as a cure all. Many of the ethanol supporters are large ag corps and farmers.
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slate1 year, 6 months ago
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The Dems were in charge when the law came into effect,,, who should I point the finger at? First started in the conservative sate of California no less.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?A...
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bruhaha1 year, 6 months ago
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Ah yes, because someone libs in california pushed MTBE (I'll take your source at it's word because a quick search doesn't find anything other than your conservative rag)
And I remember republicans and oil companies throwing fits as governments banned it several years ago.
Why don't we just get rid of all environmental regulations....go back to the days of burning rivers and just buy a bunch of face masks to "protect" us from the massive air pollution.
MTBE was a bad idea, as is ethanol, lots of people many (most) of them the "libs" that you deride have been saying that for years.=
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Eagle_Eye1 year, 6 months ago
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I haven't missed any thing, I don't neg you when I read something positive you've said, then I pos you or just skip over if I think it is dumb.
It is your attitude of name calling and labeling libs, dems or the likes as bad. You are equally as bad as the other Repub shillers when you stoop to that low. No where was this a political party issue until DL and you piped in slamming the Libs.
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slate1 year, 6 months ago
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Liberals is name calling? After all the natsy things the people you support on the left here say to me and the names they call me,,,,, you never once came to my defence,,,,, and you claim that I'm name calling?
""You are equally as bad as the other Repub shillers when you stoop to that low.""
Hey Double EE you know you're right I do think the liberal attitude that Dems support is abad, just as you state you feel the same way about us on the right,,,,, but somehow when you do it on the left, it's ok,,, yeah I've seen some of the things youve posted about the right in my time here,,,,,
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quackpot1 year, 6 months ago
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MTBE was fist introduced by the petrochemical industry as a means of eliminating lead from gas (a good idea). In the 1990s, the petrochemical industry found that MTBE in higer concentrations reduces air pollution, thereby allowing them to meet clean air standards at low cost.
The problem with MTBE arises from sloppy handling.
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slate1 year, 6 months ago
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Lead removal and reduction in air pollution was mandated, thus we now have the MTBE problem.
The thing about MTBE is that it travels so quickly, ahead of any plume from a release, such as from underground storage tanks at a local gas station, or over-filling a tank. MTBE is always a precursor we evaluate from analytical results of samples collected during groundwater monitoring events, to help us delineate said hydrocarbon plume. MTBE can show up in samples, a few years before other hydrocarbons, such as , Benzene, Toluene, Ethylbenzene and Xylene do.
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quackpot1 year, 6 months ago
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Thank you for your more reasoned reply.
As you say, MTBE is more of a warning of potential problems from substandard storage tanks, most of which are CORPORATE controlled.
Please, in the future stop the "blame the environmentalist" rhetoric.
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slate1 year, 6 months ago
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hehehe of course you twisted what I wrote to blame Big Corporation! Do you work for Big Liberalism or something?
What I said is exactly what I wrote, MTBE a pollutant that is an additive, which moves faster than even the other analytes that make up gasoline.
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slate1 year, 6 months ago
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As far as the USTs go, they have been replacing steel USTs with fiberglass tanks (the newest technology) since the 1990s, the steel rusts and leaks, they weren't some ploy to use sub-standard materials by Big Corporations, that is simply a falsehood. Steel was what was available until the fiberglass was able to be used. Fiberglass is far from perfect either, it's very brittle. I've supervised the removal of both steel and fiberglass tanks. You have to be extra careful when you clean a FRP tank, prior to removal, because they tend to fall apart as you remove them from the tank pit. This and other environmental topics is something I'm fairly well versed in, I'm not the one to try and make false statements to as it pertains to this subject.
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slate1 year, 6 months ago
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(((Please, in the future stop the "blame the
environmentalist" rhetoric.))) Geeeze!
I will gladly do that when you finally stop blaming Big, Corporation, Big Oil and every other Big Industry that you blame for all that is wrong on the planet.
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quackpot1 year, 6 months ago
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"Big Liberalism", as far as I know, does not own any gas storage tanks that leak, releasing MTBE into the water. I did not say that there was any ploy to use substandard materials. I only made the obvious comment that MTBE is released via tanks that leak. Anybody (or corporation) that stores toxic chemicals has a responsability to make sure that their tanks don't leak.
I agreed with you about the solubility of MTBE and its rate of movement.
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