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Posted By RickyDawkins 1 year, 6 months ago in NewsToday, although Evolutionists falsely insist that they are extinct, Pterosaurs can still be found, hidden away in the unexplored wilds of our world... we can determine baraminicity by using Intelligent Design Theory to measure their specified complexity and apply the Dembski-Shannon equation to extrapolate the amount of relative informational loss.
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RickyDawkins1 year, 6 months ago
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Pterosaurs (ter'É;·sôrs) are flying reptiles with leathery or membranous wings attached to the sides of their bodies and supported by an elongated fourth digit on their forelimbs. They were created by the Lord on the fifth day of His Creation Week (Genesis 1:20-22) and were a constant presence in the skies over Eden, where they peacefully ate fruit and plants. After the Fall, many of their descendants degenerated to a carnivorous diet and became feared by man, although non-wicked specimens preserved on the Ark helped to temper this degenerative tendency after the Flood. Various Pterosaur kinds were common throughout Eurasia and Northern Africa up until the early Middle Ages and interacted extensively with Man.
Another famous misclassification is that of the Puerto Rican chupacabra (goat sucker), which some researchers hold is a type of pterosaur. However, I am of the firm opinion that it is in fact a velociraptor.
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HannibalBarca1 year, 6 months ago
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Pterosaurs (ter'Ã;;Ã;·sÃ;´rs) are flying reptiles with leathery or membranous wings attached to the sides of their bodies and supported by an elongated fourth digit on their forelimbs....
Are these creatures indigenous to Iraq and command an army ???inquiring minds want to know...lol
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Coatl1 year, 6 months ago
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They even want to catpure one pterosaur alive!
http://objectiveministries.org/creation/project...
I think it's the first time I actually want those nuts to succeed! I'd be sooooo cool to see one alive, even if they don't "sell nor loan specimens to institutions that are Evolutionistic or of other disreputable persuasions, such the Smithsonian or the Anheuser-Busch Corporation, who would seek to use the animals to promote Evolutionism or some other form of disrespect to the Lord"
because
"These are God's Creations and they will be discovered by Godly people, so why should the forces of Godlessness profit by them?"
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memestryker1 year, 6 months ago
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What a priceless site! I love the mission: "The goal of Project Pterosaur is to mount an expedition to locate and bring back to the United States living specimens of pterosaurs or their fertile eggs, which will be displayed in a Pterosaur Rookery that will be the center piece of the planned Fellowship Creation Science Museum and Research Institute (FCSMRI)."
And their scholars include "Skeet" the Abstinence Czar, and they have a "Halloween Reclamation Project!"
I've always loved Landover Baptist--great find!
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tkyrchncs1 year, 6 months ago
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This is hysterical.
"These are God's Creations and they will be discovered by Godly people, so why should the forces of Godlessness profit by them?" Perhaps God is more generous than these folks:
"He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous." Matthew 5:45, NIV
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RickyDawkins1 year, 6 months ago
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Nope.
"Similar to Murphy's Law, Poe's Law concerns internet debates, particularly regarding religion or politics.
"Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."
In other words, No matter how bizzare, outrageous, or just plain idiotic a parody of a Fundamentalist may seem, there will always be someone who cannot tell that it is a parody, having seen similar REAL ideas from real religious/political Fundamentalists."
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smithichie1 year, 6 months ago
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Ain't that the truth? I have been told time and time again that Fred Phelp's church, the Westboro Baptist Church website, has to be a parody.
Likewise, I come across people who think Snake Handlers are mere parody. I think it's because Snake Handlers aren't well represented online, due to their fingers being too swollen from poison, to use a keyboard effectively.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_handling
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CaptainLucid1 year, 6 months ago
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That one is simple. I watched the video of him doing it and it is all about leverage. Ever been in a weight class in high school and show offs will lift the bar most of the way up and then put the pin in so they only lift the last few inches where it is easiest. When I was in shape I could leg press 500 all the way. If I had the blocks holding the weight at the top I could move the same weight with just calf raises or one leg. If he dropped the weight down all the way there is no chance that old fake could do it.
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vor1 year, 6 months ago
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I saw the video and for Pat to call that a leg press is pathetic. The weight would have crushed him. I have done a full leg press of about 650 and that took months to build up to and I am far younger than Pat. The really sad part is that the video was used to promote his energy shake which was little more than a Muscle Milk type supplement. Not surprising that this "Man of God" has no scruples.
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memestryker1 year, 6 months ago
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cantfoolme, we still have free speech and freedom of religion.
Thomas Jefferson was strongly committed to the diffusion of knowledge, which is the only thing that can counteract this stuff--teaching people to think critically. A lot of schooling has turned into training and indoctrination lately--not much education to be found.
They've added just enough science jargon to make people think they are saying something. Between the Wedge and their misunderstanding of macroevolution, they're headed down a black hole of ignorance, but they don't see it (or they do, and stand to gain from it).
They attract the same types of people as Bin Laden, Charles Manson, James Dobson, and others who understand mind-control and recognize who is likely to be most gullible based on personality, intelligence, attitude, etc.
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memestryker1 year, 6 months ago
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addendum, cantfoolme--The real fundies have really cleaned up their website to make it look even more official. It formerly mimicked a cable TV channel.
It's still all about the Wedge (now called "Dissent from Darwinism"), and its new centerpiece is "academic freedom" (meaning freedom to spread carefully crafted anti-science pro-bible religious material), based on the anti-science movie "Expelled."
They claim to feature peer-reviewed "Intelligent Design" articles, and have post-dated it to July 2008! I can hardly wait!
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cantfoolme1 year, 6 months ago
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Ye, no doubt we have to allow freedom of expression which includes the whole spectrum from KKK to this stuff and the like. The big problem here is that there is a definite demarcation between proganda and genuine education. Evolutionary science and religion do not and should not mix. Science in no way attempts to comment on spiritual matters and for a certion section of religion zealots to masquerade as portraying genuine science is underhand and totally immoral. If inciting racial hatred is illegal (as it surely must be) then so should this garbage. As the guy on Youtube says "Why do people laugh at Creationists? ... Only Creationists don't understand why".
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memestryker1 year, 6 months ago
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I was talking to a Muslim recently about why I'm an atheist. He came at me with all the "scientific truth it would be impossible to know unless Allah told you" that Mohammed published. When I didn't bite, and pointed out many people with similar stories, he started listing chapter and verse of the Koran and Hadith material, asking if I didn't think this was of the highest quality and worthy of following. I pointed out that none of it was new, that other moral codes had been written by that time, and Mohammed just assimilated from others.
He then went on about all the "genuine" prophets, and I pointed out that anyone might have such an experience, and these people (Mohammed, Moses, etc.) were nothing special.
His whole point was to convert me to Islam--not to have an engaging dialog. No different at all from a fundamentalist Christian--only the doctrine was different.
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cantfoolme1 year, 6 months ago
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To me the onus is on Christians and Muslims and the like to try to put their point of view without having to make refrence to the relevant Holy book.
By refering back to the Bible or Quran has little more value than a Communist referring to Chairman Mao's little Red Book or a Nazi referring to Mein Kampf. In other words, just because propoganda is available in the written form does not make it any more valid but can they see this? No.
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dunkirk1 year, 6 months ago
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". Funding is being provided by Fellowship University, the Fairlight Institute, and donations from wealthy Christian businessmen who wish to remain anonymous at this time."
ROFLMAO, Please I'll be setting u;p a foundation to explore finding mud balls that spring to life. Hopefully we will find fertile mud piles that we can they use to show how life came to this planet. If you feel like DONATING, please send me an email for information. If you would like to be a continuous donor we have special memberships available and, when located, your own mud puddle that could possibly reinforce the bibles teachings for you and your family.
/sarcasm off
However if u fundy wacks want to contribute to the foundation .........
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antibrainwasher1 year, 6 months ago
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Jesus is a Jewish myth. No such historical person existed. Thousands of jewish prophits were compiled, and then the english got a hold of the story, and it really got out of hand. The virgin birth, the demi-god half man/half jew story is EXACTLY the story created for the Roman Emperor Agustus, plenty of info on that online.
DERIVITIVE story, combination of Egytpian Pharoh mythology and Greek mythology.
Jesus was a character in Jewish mythology. No more real than santa claus.
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 6 months ago
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''Jesus is a Jewish myth. No such historical person existed. ''
well, all those old-timey Christians the Romans were annoyed over and cooking in pots existed, didn't they?
Usually how it works with the formation of religious sects is there is a charismatic individual that garners followers
If there was no man Jesus[forget the Jesus in the bible], I'd like to know how this sect got started, if you can tell me
the earth may have formed from nothing, but what religious sect spontaneously generates?
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Tangent0011 year, 6 months ago
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Actually, it was set up to 'spontaneously generate' through prophesy. There may indeed have been a man named Jesus, but so far there is scant evidence. It was prophesied a messiah would come, therefore a sect surrounding someone who was identified as such would not only have been inevitable, the stories surrounding such an individual would increasingly 'fulfill' the prophesy.
Heinlein's 'Dune' series is a great meditation on this concept.
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vor1 year, 6 months ago
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Nicely summed up. Add to that the fact the Bible records but a very small segment of his supposed life. Odd that the idea of a Virgin Birth is a concept seen in many civilizations. But somehow this one was different? Of course a Messiah had to come but he won't come again and anyone claiming to be the Son of God would never survive the media scrutiny of todays world. Aside from Bush supporters we have moved forward from those times of fear and superstition.
There is a preacher currently claiming to be Jesus, Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda, or "Daddy", as he is known to his followers. Of course anyone with functioning synapse can see he is a complete fraud. But he is getting rich. The obvious reason the claim was ever made. PT Barnum apparently never said it but a new one is born every minute...
Read up on Sabbatai Sevi, who had quite a following in the 17th century, only to convert to Islam under the penalty of death horribly disappointing his flock.
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 6 months ago
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''Actually, it was set up to 'spontaneously generate' through prophesy.''
I think you are agreeing with me [hard to tell] that prophecy and bible aside, one still needs a man to call a messiah. One still needs a figure to attach prophecy to.
I mean really, are you telling me that there was never a man, and all these people just got together, well, just because? Why at that point in time if an actual historical figure[a man] is not needed? Isaiah's pretty old-why not 100 years before that then, or 10 years after Isaiah wrote it? Why at that particular time did this sect appear?
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To say, as that one fellow did, that there was no man Jesus, just makes no sense.
Could the Bar Kochba revolt [another 'messiah', one that came from your 'spontaneously generated' Isaiah etc prophecy] have happened without a Bar Kochba?
My point is very simple
There was a man
period
evidence?
none
But it makes more sense than the idea that there was no man to turn into legend and myth
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 6 months ago
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PS
Think about it further, and you will see that the prophecy in the OT actually is geared to have people LOOK for a man [HE will heal the nations, a withered reed he will not break, a flickering flame HE will not extinguish etc etc etc]
Further 'circumstantial evidence' there was a man
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 6 months ago
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well that's an interesting thought. I'd have to think about that for a spell.
But off the top of my head, there always seems to be a Muhammed, Joseph Smith, David Koresh or L Ron Hubbard that starts things off.
Is there like a corollary to your composite theory? Like a sect being started via a similar process?
I think I'll stick with the one guy theory, tho I honestly haven't given your idea protracted thought. The idea of a bunch of guys claiming to be the messiah-if I understand you right-running around at the same time probably wouldn't work because the messiah was supposed to be just one guy.
If you mean a composite based on different guys who are not contemporaries of the moment, that still leaves me with 'why does the Christian sect appear at that point in history, if no historical figure existed?'
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smithichie1 year, 6 months ago
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Perhaps there was a single individual, such as Saul/Paul who found telling stories easier, based on the above mentioned composite character, than performing magic himself. Perhaps it was easier using a number of such people to fulfill OT prophecy rather than just one. Also using a number of actual people would leave some actual witnesses to certain aspects of the composite character.
As for a corollary, how about the Jedi Religion? Given enough time and the right circumstances, people may come to think it was based on actual people instead of a series of movies. Future people may wonder why the Jedi Religion began around the respective ends and beginnings of the 20th and 21st centuries, if not based on historical figures.
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 6 months ago
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Well if it was all just Paul he wouldn't need a composite or an actual Jesus, would he?
''Also using a number of actual people would leave some actual witnesses to certain aspects of the composite character.''
I don't know what they'd be witness to-I think there is no physical description of Jesus in Paul's writings, and it wasn't like some people were gonna say-hey, I knew that guy! He did fix a leper, I saw it!
I'm not sure what the Jedi religion is, but I doubt it has legs of its own. I think people just like the movies because cool stuff is in them
well my brain is on strike today so I'll leave you with the last word if you like. I can't analyze what you said in your first paragraph adequately anyway, tho there seems to be some interesting thoughts there
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smithichie1 year, 6 months ago
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"Well if it was all just Paul he wouldn't need a composite or an actual Jesus, would he"?
Sure he would, if he didn't or wasn't able to perform all of the prophecies told in the OT. It's easier telling a tale than performing it yourself.
"and it wasn't like some people were gonna say-hey, I knew that guy! He did fix a leper, I saw it"!
Why not? The event of someone raising hell at the money changers in the Temple might be remembered while the actual person behind such an event was forgotten. Later on an historian may even talk to a witness who remembers the event but not a description of the person behind that event, and see that as evidence for the composite character.
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 6 months ago
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I don't think I made myself clear, but that's OK
My main point was if Paul started the religion, he wouldn't need a Jesus or a bunch of Jesuses s, or even some people to base his writings on-he could just lie and make them up. Af
as for the leper comment of mine, again, not what I meant.[sad, I can almost figure this out and how to say it, but not quite]
so rather than swim against the tide of my own mental obtuseness today, best I moor up, put aside vanity and leave what I wrote stand for its entertainment value if nothing else.
some days you get the bear, sometimes he takes a dump on you in the woods
not my day today
I'm pretty sure Paul did miracles in the books, but can't remember today
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Tangent0011 year, 6 months ago
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"...determine baraminicity by using Intelligent Design Theory to measure their specified complexity and apply the Dembski-Shannon equation to extrapolate the amount of relative informational loss."
Ah, the Wedge Strategy in action! Couching religious dogma in scientific-sounding jargon.
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Fedquip1 year, 6 months ago
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Another Reason why Creation Science has to be put into American classrooms....so students can spend hours learning about all these things public schools are not currently teaching us...
/actually this is total BS...it's a great fantasy story, but children should not be learning this type of crap as fact.
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antibrainwasher1 year, 6 months ago
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Look for the enactment of LAW, not school board curriculum crap, to be the next instalment of creationist doctrine.
They are looking to pass creationist ammendments, just like the anti-gay amendments in the red states, and they HAVE THE VOTES.
How do you think this current administration won election twice?
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memestryker1 year, 6 months ago
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Note the picture with the caption "Remains of wicked pterodactyl found in Flood sediments. Note penitent stance preserved at moment of death." This looks cheesy, but it goes way beyond the slick, official-looking creation science textbook "Of Pandas and People." In the current story, the dinosaur evidently has the intelligence to know it's been evil.
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 6 months ago
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Frogs were being eaten by snakes before men came along. Evil existed for frogs.
If you mean without men calling something 'evil', evil does not exist, that sounds sorta zen-y, like if a tree falls and there's no one there to hear it, does it make a sound
It does to the frog it squishes
'creeeaaaaak- whooooosh-' ...silencio profundo....
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memestryker1 year, 6 months ago
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abw, I'm thinking it's without understanding rather than religion. If one does something destructive that hurts another without some higher goal, if s/he understands it as such, then it would be evil. Of course, then evil is in the eye of the beholder, since some might think perpetrating heinous acts are actually consistent with a higher goal.
Just eating a frog if you're a hungry snake isn't evil. It's about survival of the species. What might be evil is, if you know an animal will feel pain and that you have the option to feed with empathy, and you still started eating it while it was alive instead of killing it first.
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Tangent0011 year, 6 months ago
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That pales beside the caption of the next graphic depicting "...Moses's brazen pterosaur-scaring device...". I about wet myself!
Is it just me, or does the 'LOL - Love Our Lord' ad on the left remind you of the 'Buddy Christ' from Dogma?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddy_Christ
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Mutainia1 year, 6 months ago
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cantfoolme1 year, 6 months ago
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Very true. That's because they are from different branches of the evolutionary tree just as we humans and the termites are. The only way you will see any dinosaur with a human is where the former is made of fibre glass and that was just not around in man's early days.
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Mutainia1 year, 6 months ago
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"That's because they are from different branches of the evolutionary tree". So scratch "dinosaur". WHAT creature, then, was part pteranodon and part other creature in transition? Say it wasn't a dinosaur, but a fish. ANYthing in the fossil record part fish/part pteranodon? Saying "the only way you will see any dinosaur with a humna is..." seems like evolutionist al-taqqiya.
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cantfoolme1 year, 6 months ago
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We simply do not have fosil evidence of every intermediate stage as for a fossil to form it requires a number of factors to come together. We, will, of course, discover more but you cannot expect every creature to die an area where sedimentary rock was to be later deposited. However, what we do have proves evolution beyond all doubt. Compare this to the total lack of proof on offer by the Creationists. You do not need all the pieces in a jigsaw to understand what the picture is about and after all you don't dispute that stars exist purely because you cannot see every star in existence.
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cantfoolme1 year, 6 months ago
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Oh dear oh dear. Classic Creationist trying to make it sound like evolution would make such a leap overnight. This maybe the way you envisaged your mythical creator "manufacturing" the endless diversity that we see about us but sorry evolution provides a much more credible answer.
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Tangent0011 year, 6 months ago
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Living proof of the misunderstanding of macroevolution. Current evidence points to Pterosaurs and Dinosaurs sharing a common ancestor, lagosuchus being a likely candidate. The simple answer is 'Yes', since the common ancestor shares traits of both Dinosaurs and Pterosaurs without being wholly one or the other.
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smithichie1 year, 6 months ago
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I suppose you think seals are confused. Living in the oceans like whales but having to come to shore to mate and reproduce like rabbits. It's a very dangerous time for seals, being on land, because they move about, well, so awkwardly, some of the bigger ones, like male Elephant Seals, can just barely manage.
The seal form is hardly a perfect 'design', but that's the point, evolution doesn't design, it goes with what works and seals work, no matter how awkward it may appear.
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cantfoolme1 year, 6 months ago
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Mut. You don't understand evolution. We simply do not have fossil evidence of each intermediate stage of every creature and nor would we expect it. Why do you assume that a transitional pteranadon would need to survive?. By defining as "transitional" then it makes perfect sense that it will not have survived.
n intermediate
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Mutainia1 year, 6 months ago
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"By defining as "transitional" then it makes perfect sense that it will not have survived." So, you are going for the "sudden monster theory" of evolution? SINCE there are no fossils of a transitional pteranodon, it would have to be that, right? But, IF it wasn't a fast process, then you have to believe in incredible luck FOR such an awkward creature, true?
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cantfoolme1 year, 6 months ago
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No sorry Mu, i don't believe in the "sudden monster theory" and maybe i did not make my point very clear. To me, it is crystal clear that we will not necessarily see transitional species apart from the ones on earth today because nearly everything is transitional including us (our average height is already greater than those of our ancestors). There is no way that we would expect to find a fossil of every organism that has ever lived. Actually, congratulations because you have almost admitted that evolution is true by using the word "luck". I certainly could consider using that term for natural selection. My point is, that evolution WILL occur by adapting a species to change according to it's environment. So if the conditions at any one time were different then we would still have evolution but the creatures including us would be totally unrecognisable. So yes a hedgehog is lucky.
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cantfoolme1 year, 6 months ago
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No more difficult to explain than an elephant or boa constrictor. A plant evolving to feed off insect life as well as nutrients from it's roots is no big suprise. Yet again you seem to be applying your totally flawed creation idea by inferring that evolution happens overnight. It doesn't. Let us imagine you are 30 years old, quite a time really. Now if we think of a century, approx 3 times the 30 years, then it appears a very long time especially when we look at man's history in 1918. Now let's go the next step, 1000 years. This is really a long time. The Battle of Hastings had not even taken place and the USA was 800 years away. Factor it by 10 again and we have the last ice age. Getting the drift yet? 10000 years is one hell of a long time ago. But wait, in evolutionary terms and more so geolical terms it is a mere tiny fraction of a moment. Perhaps you will now consider the time available to evolution. Makes your 6000 year "all at once" argument a bit weak doesn't it?
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Mutainia1 year, 6 months ago
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Not made for their environment? POOR design?!?! Well, one man's art is another man's garbage, as they say. I guess, perfect design for an evolutionist is a seal that can have pups in the ocean, on land, and, wings to have a "pup up in the sky". :)
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smithichie1 year, 6 months ago
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If seals were designed for their enviornment (the ocean, in which they spend 95% of their lives) they would be able to reproduce and bear young in the ocean, instead of having to come to land, where they are vulnerable to predators and flippers don't work so well. It's an imperfection, one that either points to poor design or evolutionary baggage.
Mammals similar to seals having their young in the ocean aren't so far fetched as flying seals, they're called whales and dolphins and they went through their own seal-like stages when they too were forced to reproduce on land as modern seals do.
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Mutainia1 year, 6 months ago
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"If seals were designed for their enviornment (the ocean, in which they spend 95% of their lives) they would be able to reproduce and bear young in the ocean, instead of having to come to land, where they are vulnerable to predators and flippers don't work so well." Oh, I get it. So FISH and dolphins are perfect, not seals? I guess you think God wasn't planning for old Eskimos down the line to have easy prey to eat? NO, God can't plan a head in your estimation, I bet.
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smithichie1 year, 6 months ago
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Dolphins and whales are not perfect, but they do not suffer from the imperfection of having to reproduce in an environment they are not suited for and can barely move around in. Some of a whale's imperfections include wrist bones and the remains of hips, completely useless for them now. Again, either evolutionary baggage or poor design.
Even the imgainations that seals were given their imperfections to feed hungry Eskimos, seems poorly designed. That job could be easily filled with existing fish, birds and land going mammals without the extra fuss needed for ocean going and mostly ocean going mammals.
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Mutainia1 year, 6 months ago
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"Some of a whale's imperfections include wrist bones and the remains of hips, completely useless for them now." You SURE they are completely useless?
"Even the imgainations that seals were given their imperfections to feed hungry Eskimos, seems poorly designed." How about Polar Bears? DON'T tell me you're against POLAR Bears? What would AL Gore say about that? :)
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smithichie1 year, 6 months ago
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I am sure there is an easier way to make a fin then to use something containing wrist bones. Sharks don't have wrists, why should a whale? Sharks don't have hips, why do whales? Yet again, poor design or evolutionary baggage.
I am not against Polar Bears, but like the Eskimos, they too could have been fed with existing creatures without having to resort to sending mammals back to the ocean.
Speaking of Polar Bears, they represent a transitional creature themselves, the form in-between a complete land goer to that of a seal. Unlike Grizzlies, their closest living relative, Polar Bears have webbing on their paws and have the capability to close their nostrils, both of which, you might expect, aid in swimming. Given enough time and the right conditions and Polar Bears could be on their way to becoming the next type of Killer Whale or Killer Seal.
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smithichie1 year, 6 months ago
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It's true the physical evidence for Pterosaur evolution is lacking but that's no reason to assume they came about magically. With enough time and luck the Pterosaur's evolution will become as well documented as a horse or whale's is. Just this year a paper was published documenting the smallest Pterosaur as of yet discovered. The Pterosaurs transition to flight may have been no more awkward than a Flying Squirrel is awkward.
http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/105/6/...
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Mutainia1 year, 6 months ago
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"The Pterosaurs transition to flight may have been no more awkward than a Flying Squirrel is awkward." How is a flying squirrel awkward? Does it have big giant hands, like a bat, that would have made it awkward? If there is no God, and there is NO "sudden monster theory" OF evolution, then, the transitional pteranodon evolved slowly. Being so the case, I wonder if it ever wondered why it's "hands" were getting so big and awkward? Not only did the transitional pteranodon have to ponder such craziness, but, so did a transitional bat, and, it, LIKE pternodon, had to be incredibly lucky in IT'S transitional state as well...VERY lucky. MIRACULOUSLY lucky, I'd say. IF dinosaurs evolved slowly into birds, they had to be awfully perplexed as well as to why they were starting to sprout feathers. WHY sprout them? WHY should the mighty T-Rex have "chickened out" here?
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smithichie1 year, 6 months ago
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You're right, a flying squirrel isn't awkward and no doubt neither was the transition for the Pterosaur. Just because you imagine big hands to be awkward the reason for their transition likely served a vital purpose or at the very least did not hinder them.
Take feathers. You wonder why dinos would sprout them, like feathers are only used for flight. Feathers did not evolve with flight in mind, feathers served another purpose before they became used for flight. Feathers make great insulators and sexual identifiers and these were their functions long before flight evolved. Flight feathers were simply a by-product of something that was already useful.
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Mutainia1 year, 6 months ago
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That's a pretty decent explaination for feather sprouting, even though the animals did fine without feathers (lizards, snakes, frogs). So, you say it's my only imAGINing awkwardness in something with big hands? Have you seen a bat walking about? IF it can't fly, it's a snack. Again, I'm detecting from you that you believe that say, for a few thousand years, atleast, there were a LOT of strange part shrew, part bats walking about on giant hands, possibly wondering why they were so lucky. Talk about being dealt a "lucky hand" to get to evolve to something that could fly, and, the same thing happened before it with pteranodon. I don't know about you, but, to believe those babies came about by accident takes faith, what ya say? Especially being that there are no fossils, FORCING you to believe in a "sudden monster", or, two creatures incredibly lucky in their awkward, puzzling mutation.
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smithichie1 year, 6 months ago
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Yes I have seen a bat walk around, I have also seen seals walk around, both can be easy snacks but it depends on whose around to do the snacking, some areas are difficult for predators to access. Seals on the African Savanna wouldn't work but seals on isolated islands can manage. Likewise, the tree tops may have served as both protection for early Pterosaurs but also as a selector for those big hands. Bigger hands could have been used for gliding much like the modern Flying Frog.
Natural selection is not by accident, that should be apparent by the word SELECTION. Natural selection is a process, if something works it's selected, if it doesn't work it's selected against. Not selected by some designer's whim but selected by success or failure at reproduction.
Not knowing the answer to something has never proven to be an excuse to insert magic as the cause and I see no reason magic need be inserted in the evolution of Pterosaurs.
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smithichie1 year, 6 months ago
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Dang, I ran out of room for a link to a Flying Frog. Check out those big hands!
http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/animals/a...
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Mutainia1 year, 6 months ago
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Sounds like you believe we WILL find a transitional bat and pteranodon AFTER all. Well, we shall see. By the way, can you tell me what the Venus Fly-trap was before it started getting traps? Is there a link between regular leaf and Venus Fly Trap? Seems to me, THAT would have to have been a "sudden monster", or, it would have starved due to a lack of nitrogen in it's soil, no?
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smithichie1 year, 6 months ago
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Evolution has no goal in mind. I simply posted the link of the Flying Frog to show you a creature with big hands, who does not find the big hands to be awkward, in fact they use them for their very survivial.
I am not saying Pterosaurs actually went through such a stage, just that it is possible that they did, which can explain their evolution without resorting to magic.
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smithichie1 year, 6 months ago
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I know we COULD find the transitional fossil you seek any day, just as other such transitional forms have been discovered, which Creationists have claimed could not exist. Creatures like the fish-near amphibian, Tiktaalik, discovered in 2004. Found in the exact geological layer predicted such a creature would exist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiktaalik
Fly Traps, like eyes, have been called too complex to have any intermediate form. This is just plain silly, we have examples of intermediate forms for both eyes and fly traps, existing in the modern world. I have heard people say, what good is half an eye? Well, a flatworm's eyespot is maybe a hundredth as good as a human eye, probably even less, yet flatworms find their spots quite useful. Likewise, not all insect catchers are as complex as Flytraps, but they still manage.
http://dousta.umsl.edu/patrick/carnivory/educat...
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Mutainia1 year, 6 months ago
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"Likewise, not all insect catchers are as complex as Flytraps, but they still manage." Again, IF there is no God, and you believe evolution to be a slow process, then, over the milleniums, leaves on a certain plant became more and more trap like. Why? ESPECIALLY ask yourself why IF there was no intelligence behind the mutation that would eventually work as a trap to help feed a plant in low nitrogen soil.
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smithichie1 year, 6 months ago
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Why? Simple. Natural Selection.
I am sure you agree there is natural variation within a species. By this I mean, examine any specific individual of a species and it has it's own set of unique traits, such as fatter, faster, smellier, hairier, less hairy, whatever.
Well, if one of these unique differences proves to be an advantage over it's slightly different members of the same species, that trait has a likihood of not only being passed on, but with enough of an advantage it can become part of the entire species in just a generation.
Back to Fly Traps. The Fly Trap's method of catching bugs is good, but it's not the only way, in fact bugs can be caught up in leaves and sticky parts to be found on most plants. All it takes is one plant with more sticky parts who happened to prove a tad more fatal to it's bug visitors than it's cousins to start the ball rolling. Every generation is a test, advantages are passed on, problems are weeded out.
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Mutainia1 year, 6 months ago
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In order for a Venus Fly Trap to work, two levers have to be touched to get the thing to close on the bug. You are, no doubt, saying that, for a time, there was a Venus Fly Trap that closed on anything until it got smart and evolved two levers so it wouldn't waste it's time closing on dust. But, again, HOW did it know how to evolve ANYthing that would catch food before the soil would became depleted of nitrogen? IF it evolved over thousands of years, HOW did it know that it would have to start changing its leaves FOR a soil that would be LOW in nitrogen? Maybe they should call the Venus Fly Trap the "Prophet Plant"?
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CaptainLucid1 year, 6 months ago
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A couple texans bringing down a beast with a 60 foot wingspan with a rifle? Why the hell did we waste all that money on AA guns during WW2. All we needed was a couple texans in a hill. Shoot those planes out with a single shot for each. Did this guys elementary school librarian accidently put the Paul Buynan and Pecos Bill folktales in the nonfiction when he was growing up.
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antibrainwasher1 year, 6 months ago
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Don't laugh, look for Ohio or some other theocratic hillbilly state to enact LEGISLATION, backed by serious lawyers graduating from the many evangelical colleges, in the form of signature based anti-gay marriage amendments, to legislate creationism in the classroom.
THEY HAVE THE VOTES.
try visiting the 10 MILLION dollar creationist museum in Cincinnati, with busloads of children visiting, to view its Smithsonian exibits of cavemen and velociraptors.
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Tangent0011 year, 6 months ago
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In Colorado, Focus on the Family and a couple of other religious groups have succeeded in getting the 'Egg-mendment' on the ballot. The bill would amend the Colorado constitution to recognize a fertilized egg as fully human with all commensurate rights.
Yeesh!
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Tangent0011 year, 6 months ago
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I suppose so, yes. There is soooo much potential harm from this legislation.
Of course, all abortions would become instantly illegal. That's really the point of this bill (well, aside from throwing meat out to the GOP base in hopes of increasing voter turnout in a battleground state).
10-20% of pregnancies end in miscarriage, another 30-40% of fertilized eggs fail to implant in the uterus. Potentially 60% of pregnancies would be subject to criminal investigation for murder, manslaughter, or neglect!
An IUD would be an illegal form of birth control, as would any 'morning after' therapy.
A life-threatening ectopic pregnancy could not be terminated.
A woman with cancer who got pregnant would have to cease chemo and radiation therapy.
Couples seeking in vitro fertilization would either have to carry ALL successfully fertilized eggs to term or have to severely limit their chances for success by having only 1 or two eggs implanted at a time.
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CHAM1 year, 6 months ago
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I have it on excellent authority that Chertoff with his bosses blessings is forming a new group to fight against the "Evil" Pterosaurs, the "good" ones will be bussed to the polls to vote for Bush, err, McCain.
Why would I kid about such a serious thing as this.
At 3 AM in the morning when the phone call comes I want this country to be able to repel those evil PTero- whatever.
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most_reasonable1 year, 6 months ago
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You will find the dinosaurs watching over the WMDs from Iraq.
These anti-evolutionists provide a theme park where the faithful can view mankind walking with dinosaurs. Never mind there have been NO sites found that carry the bones of dinosaurs and man, or even advanced mammals. The walking museum is built for the GOP heads with the inscription...if we can sell tis to our flocks, think what we can sell covering your political and economic agenda. If the payment is high enough.
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Tangent0011 year, 6 months ago
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The pterosaur thing is the LEAST whacked thing about this site. Take a look at the 'Just For Kidz' section. (The 'Z' is for 'ZEALOUSNESS'.)
"If you find an atheist in your neighborhood, TELL A PARENT OR PASTOR RIGHT AWAY!...AVOID TALKING TO THEM!"
Scary/Hilarious as well is their claim that Christians OWN the internet, since, well, it was created by America, and, well, Patrick Henry SAID America was founded on the Gospel of Jesus. Oh, and the Constitution uses "the Year of Our Lord" when giving the date. It's SO OBVIOUS!
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Coatl1 year, 6 months ago
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Yeah I also noticed that, did you see the part when they compare the Target logo with the pentagram? and how the word Mall sounds like Maul and the latin Mal wich means bad =P LOL! They also says that atheist are always sad, grumpy and bitter, I wonder if they're allwasy happy, specially when they see a gay couple on the street! =P.
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Tangent0011 year, 6 months ago
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LOL! I can understand why OBJECTIVE is so hacked off at the Landover Baptist satire site. It's practically copyright infringement!
People take this stuff seriously! Last year my kids came home with a couple of those HalloWitness bible tracts in their trick-or-treat bags. We had a pretty good laugh about it.
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Tangent0011 year, 6 months ago
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Oh, man! Did you see "Diamond" Jack Holgrath's new US flag design?
http://objectiveministries.org/gametheory/godly...
Honestly, I don't think The Daily Show could have done any better!
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ForrestPhelps1 year, 6 months ago
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To Tangent001:
Thanks for the link.
Go to the "Front Page" of the site. On the bottom, click on the "# OCT 5, 2006: Kirk Cameron and Ray Comfort Infiltrate a Druid Coven..." in the "Cult Alerts" box.
There, you will find the following words:
"Do not attempt a Druid infiltration on your own! Kirk's excellent acting talents allowed him to dodge a potentially dangerous situation, but you may not be so lucky. My many years of experience have taught me that Druids can be very dangerous if confronted."
Made my day!
Thanks
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Dicax_Maximus1 year, 6 months ago
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OMG RD - The last time I saw a pile of BS that large when when a male elephant let rip !!!!
ROTFLMAO........ Right up until I realised that there are actually people out there who believe this & want it taught in schools....
Mankinds capacity for stupidity NEVER ceases to amaze me !
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dunkirk1 year, 6 months ago
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ROFLMAO, But when they confront landover baptist and all the porn they purportedly show, they supply links to the site. if anything Dr paley should be removed from the internet for scamming and given ample opportunity to start numerous prison ministries with his new friend Pastor Bubba. I kept looking for the /sarcasm off thinking the site the story is about was humor.
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sharonfrost531 year, 6 months ago
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I thought this story was a joke at first; reading further, I decided that this Dr. of Theology/Divinity is doing more to further the cause of Evolutionism by being such a moron. Intelligent kids raised as Creationists will read it and go over to "the other side." Thank you, Dr. Paley.
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Origin1 year, 6 months ago
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Ok, so this proves religious people are nuts and need to be outlawed. Not only is the bad photoshop job on the civil war troops with the shot down dinosaur terrible, the ludicrious nature of this site and their theory is overwhelmingly absurd.
Want proof of evolution? look at the stages we go through in the womb. we all start as fish then reptilian then mammal. just like how we evolved.
Carbon dating isnt BS. the earth is NOT a few thousand years old. Scripture is written by man. fossils are written by time. and as we all know there is no stopping time. Hence Time is the only god.
its 2008, if us secular, logical, rational, progressive peoples dont squash these religious nut jobs all over the world, we will enter a new dark ages which will end with total global annihilation. maybe thats what we deserve.
idiots.
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tdash1 year, 6 months ago
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Check out the photo:
"Remains of wicked pterodactyl found in Flood sediments. Note penitent stance preserved at moment of death."
OH, SAVE ME, LORD...I'VE BEEN A WICKED PTERODACTYL!! HAVE MERCY ON ME!"
This crap is just too bizarre to make up.
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Origin1 year, 6 months ago
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Damn just looked at the entire site..
talk about DRINKING the CoolAid.
There is no saving people when they become this brainwashed and delusional. Its on the verge of Schizophrenic.
i actually feel bad for them. they live life looking for hidden proof of satan's plan to destroy them, like how apple computers is a satanic organization because they use an apple that has a bite taken out of it and their core OS is called Darwin.
creepy.
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vor1 year, 6 months ago
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To believe this article you are believing similar tripe to the idea that baby dinosaurs were on Noah's Ark. Or even that the Exodus ever occured despite the complete lack of historical evidence of such a large number of Jews in Eqypt.
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CHAM1 year, 6 months ago
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What???????????
You mean this story is not real??????????
And I thought that Chertoff and all the Bushites were going to protect me from all those bad, bad winged lizards!!
Oh the despair - now who's going to protect me? How can Chertoff and the fair preachers Parsley and Hagee protect me if the story isn't true?
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Mutainia1 year, 6 months ago
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzPGhYiGyZ8
All so simple.
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