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Posted By bluetexasvalley 1 year, 5 months ago in NewsThe rumor in question is one that's been circulating in recent weeks to the effect that there's video out there of Michelle Obama saying something derogatory about white people.
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bluetexasvalley1 year, 5 months ago
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FTA:
"Not a single shred of evidence has surfaced to support this claim. Nobody has actually said they've personally seen it. It hasn't been posted to YouTube as you'd expect on something this juicy. Even Republican operatives we've spoken to say they don't believe it exists."
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Goppy1 year, 5 months ago
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You dont seem to be understandin how we Christian Conservatives work it.
We imagine dirty little to say bout somebody, then we get some twit on Popieller to throw it up as a story.
Then, we get ALL our Right Wing Fiends to comment on the story as if the story is the real thing.
See?
Just publishin the story is all we Christian Conservatives need to do. We put a Pink Elephant into the room, then, even after its been verified that there is OBVIOUSLY no Pink Elephant in the room ... we move on.
But, heh heh heh ... even as we move on ... poeple still think bout that PINK ELEPHANT!
Yes, we are devious ... but what can honest Americans do bout it?
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I can symphasize with those of you on the radical left. Every year I bet $50 on the Kansas City Royals to win the AL East because their my team. This year I bet 50 to win 2000, thats 50 more down the drain.
So you finally got the candidate you wanted. Last time you all wanted Dean, before that you nominated whirlwinds like Dukakis & Mondale. In Connecticut for senate you all fell goo-goo for Ned Lamont until Lieberman ran as independent & ruined it for you. Now your radical left winger seems to have a chance so enjoy it now but brace yourselves for November another heartbraking loss and another cry of wait till next time!
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scott42611 year, 5 months ago
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"Now your radical left winger seems to have a chance so enjoy it now but brace yourselves for November another heartbraking loss and another cry of wait till next time!"
First, you cite Dukakis and Mondale. Many of us who preferred Gary Hart in '84 and '88. We all know about the Donna Rice scandal the derailed his second run, effectively dashing our hopes for a progressive who could win.
You are the one who's gonna be cowering in the corner this time. The energy is different this year. I have not noticed such energy and momentum since I worked on Bill Clinton's campaign in 1992. I have spoken with others older than me who say this reminds them the momentum of Bobby Kennedy's run before he was tragically assassinated in 1968 (As I expressed before on another thread, I believe that - had he lived - Bobby Kennedy would have easily beat Richard Nixon that year.
Politics is cyclical in the U.S. The pendulum has swung leftward. This is our time. Obama is going to win this election.
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"I can symphasize with those of you on the radical left. Every year I bet $50 on the Kansas City Royals to win the AL East because their my team. This year I bet 50 to win 2000, thats 50 more down the drain."
Man, I wish that I was the one making that bet that the KC Royals would win the AL East with you because I'd win every year. (FYI, the Royals are in the AL CENTRAL!)
Oh, and I do hope that Obama takes McCain up on his offer for debates. All Obama has to do is show McCain videos of him and his ever-changing positions on the issues. McCain would be the first candidate to lose a debate to himself!
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slate1 year, 5 months ago
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((((((This doesn't surprise me. The righties are runnin' scared and they will do ANYTHING to keep Obama from being President)))))
Running skert says you there Scot?
Skert of what? Oh let's see, no party has eva won more than 2 consecutive presidencies since there has been a two term limit for any one person being president? Yeah we be skert that historically we may not win. We are realists when it comes to that.
If you want to talk about being Skert, Just a short time ago the Birkenstock party was afearing that Hillary was going to ruin a sure thang for the shiny new kid on da block. Though she has stepped back she's still not gone is she.
Ah the once great party that used be held in such high esteem by me and others; they gloat about merely repeating history in the political process of the last 60 years.
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slate1 year, 5 months ago
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You talk about change and you may well change history by yet making it by snatching defeat out of the hands of sure victory. Remember Hillary isn't gone till she's actually gone. Her ego is much Larger and more Important than the Birkenstock party as it is in this point in history.
For a party that has a sure bet laid at their feet, you sure don't act like it,,,,, you act more like someone whistling while they walk past a graveyard. ;-)
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gamahuche1 year, 5 months ago
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I don't see any need to seek a source in the past, or in a work of fiction.
The spin-meistering of the vicious right sees no distinction between fact and fiction anyway.
Motherf****** of Invention!
Ah good! The early morning bleariness seems to be diminishing.
Check brain: OK
Check Right and Wrong: Still synched. No immediate risks. Alertness required
Check humour: Farcical. Appropriate only for discussing the eerie world of US politics.
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vidman041 year, 5 months ago
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I swear you people on the left has some gall. "The spin-meistering of the vicious right sees no distinction between fact and fiction anyway." WTF??? Every single day we see some vicious, slandering, no proof story or stories being posted here on Nutscape about President Bush and the right, and you people have the nerve, the NERVE, to whine about a story about your side. How about showing some freaking PROOF about all the lies and BS you all accuse Bush and the right of EVERY FREAKING DAY!!!!!! Just because you believe it and that its your opinion does not make it true... Makes me want to puke, reading this horsesh!t everyday.... You all should look in a mirror before spewing your crap!
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Goppy1 year, 5 months ago
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Thanks auto man ...
Once again ... we have someone from the Christian Right that gives VIVID example why we are so despised by honest Americans.
But I tell ya what ... as a Christian Conservative, it shore is gettin discouragin to be losin so many elections lately.
America gave us a chance with Gw ... and we simply proved that we hate this democracy thing. What we REALLY want is a kinda Religious Sharia Law thing with us Christian Conservatives dictatin what nation we are gointa send our kids to die in next.
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icono11 year, 5 months ago
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Why thank you for the wonderful compliment Comrade Goppy.
I like the idea of being a Propaganda Meister and I didn't have to do anything but opine; ain't America great, the land of real opportunity.
hummmm....maybe I could work for the new LiboCon party next election. Can I use you as a reference?
Although I would perfer noLoco instead of Locono Propaganda Meister and the Herr part is a sweet attempt at painting me as a Nazi NeoCon however we all have to be something.....
Oh, I got it, how about Herr Comrade noLoco Propaganda Meister. That would be so cool.
Thanks Comrade Guppy.
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Radiofreeeuropa1 year, 5 months ago
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Dim wits all. No point in even attempting to communicate with them, more likely to engage a slug than anyone who buys their Kool aid.
The smears won't work anymore, better find some other way to avoid issues and truth. No one with a brain stem believes their garbage anymore.
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dunkirk1 year, 5 months ago
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ROFLMAO, YOU are out of touch. Supporting a war for oil, cutting benefits for the troops fighting the war WHILE in the war, railing against torture oh yeah until its us doing it, denying soldiers care if injured and then believing McLame is the answer. AND You wonder why I laugh so much reading your posts? It beats crying over the fact that someone can live in this country and be so unaware of the suffering and death they endorse both HERE and around the world all for the sake of their making a buck. YOU are pathetic.
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Codi69341 year, 5 months ago
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What you keep forgetting is I fought in those wars. What have you done? We need to quite f*cking around and kick them in the a*s. You keep forgetting that it was your liberals that forced us to import over 60% of our oil. Budget cuts in the 90's ALSO cut the VA, that has been broken for 30 years. And people want govt health care? They can't get the VA right, let alone adding 300 million people. You keep forgetting is you are blaming the wrong people for some of this suffering abroad. We are the good guys, remember! And it is ok, for our enemy to cut off heads, but we pour some water up someones nose, we are the bad guy. If that saves one life, I don't care. Because I knew if I was caught I would had been killed.
No son, I am not pathic. I made my commentment, sometimes I don't think I have done enough. What is pathic is people like you hiding behind the liberties me and others provided for you. You are an ungreatful little man!
I don't like McCain, but sure beats the alternative!
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dunkirk1 year, 5 months ago
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ROFLMAO you fought in those wars? And obviously learned nothing from it.
"You keep forgetting that it was your liberals that forced us to import over 60% of our oil. "
Really? They make you drive your car? In reality Carter established an alternative energy research program that RayGun canceled. if it had been allowed to proceed we wouldnt be looking at importing 60% of our oil. Instead Republicans blaming anyone but themselves for poor decisions they made.
"Budget cuts in the 90's ALSO cut the VA, that has been broken for 30 years. And people want govt health care?"
Hmmmmm seems to me over those 30 years we;ve had a lot of REPUBLICAN presidents. Hmmmmmm and here I thought they were the friends of the soldiers.
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dunkirk1 year, 5 months ago
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"You keep forgetting is you are blaming the wrong people for some of this suffering abroad. We are the good guys, remember!"
Yeah and the good guys let Abu Grahib and other atrocities occur. THe good guys send prisoners to countries that condone torture. THe good guys have kept people in GItmo for years now with no charges and based ont eh convicion rate they'vbe had not one conviction. Keep talking about us being the Good GUys since your deluding yourself. YOUR hero changed that, for the first time the US was excluded from teh Human rights commission by the UN for Human Rights violations.
yes Moonbeam YOU are pathetic. You support violating everything you say you fought to preserve and seem to get riled when people have the nerve to say what the Dumya is doing is wrong.
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Codi69341 year, 5 months ago
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What I learned from fighting those wars is , you have to be committed. You don't stop. You don't let up for nothing, you pound your enemy into the dirt. You don't let him get up, catch his breathe nothing. You hit him so hard that his children feel the pain. AND THAT IS OUR PROBLEM. WE WANT TO P*SSYFOOT AROUND THINKING WE ONLY HIT THEM A LITTLE THEY WILL STOP!! NO! You hurt them and break there will to fight.
Don't forget Clinton dropped the ball more then once, not drilling in this country, Clinton. Vetoed drilling in ANWAR, Clinton, defense budget cuts for 7 years,Clinton, Exported terrorist to other countries for your torture, Clinton, and failed to get UBL when he had the chance twice. That was Clinton too. We are not perfect, but we still are the good guys. And with citizens like you we don't need enemies.
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dunkirk1 year, 5 months ago
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"Don't forget Clinton dropped the ball more then once"
ROFLMAO and somehow Bush has just been so unable to correct any of it. I always love the rights forever lamenting how the Dems did this or did taht and then despite having a Presidnet and COngress to rubber stamp him fail to get anything done excpet increase the size of govt (weren't they NOT for that before they were for it?) and spend us into the crapper (another thing they were against before they were for it). Slick unless I miss my guess we have YOUR boys in charge, the commanders who disagreed with him have been removed, Its not CLinton anymore "******footing" around. YOUR boy let Bin Laden escape, YOUR boy increased terrorism world wide by over 600%, YOUR boy handstrappeed the military making them unable to respond to other events in the world AND in the US (i.e. Katrina), YOUR boy is cutting vet benefits and denying them care.
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Codi69341 year, 5 months ago
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Netscape deleted my response. No trouble responsing to earthquakes in pakistan, tsunmis(sp?)and cyclones in Burma. Katrina can start with the mayor and Govenor(buses flooded in parking lots). UBL got away once from GW, BUT TWICE from Clinton. OIF & OEF are combat zones, adding them to terrorist attacks compares to NASCAR crashes to highway crashes nationwide. The same people that complain about GWOT wants us to help in Sudan, WHY??
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n2n....if u give up...the neo cons that want to destroy our country win
i know its hard to take sometimes...just remember they r not actual peops,they r traitors to the constitution and everything good
most of the neo cons on here r rnc workers anyways,dont let em get to ya
this maybe the last chance we get as a nation to get it right...we either work and speak out for our dem candidates to win or we get more of this(i stole this list from ydog because i thought it covered the neo cons agenda very well)
What's ironic is that although Republicans are perceived as good for business, the economy actually performs worse when Republicans are in power. For example, today
1) the purchasing power of the American dollar is at record lows, inflation is a real threat
2) the banks are being crushed by the sub-prime crisis
3) energy and food prices are skyrocketing
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questionseverything1 year, 5 months ago
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4) the stock market is declining
5) the budget surplus has been squandered
6) the national deficit is at record highs, and
7) the unemployment rating is deceivingly high
these things havent happened by accident and john mcsame will continue the neo con down ward spiral
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Codi69341 year, 5 months ago
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But wait until the Big"O" takes office. The next day the stock market will be at all time highs, surplus will be found,debt will be gone,unemployment at a 20 year low.
Oh hail the Big "O"!! His resume is as thin as my hair, his friends are as dangerous as AQ, he will be a puppet of Congress, with no spine to defend this country, I forgot, his wife thinks the U.S. is a mean country. God help us, we are going to need it!!
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miklkit1 year, 5 months ago
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I like these charts to illustrate republicon economics.
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/faq.html
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not2needy1 year, 5 months ago
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I know what you're saying QE, and you're right. I just need a break from it all. The horrors of these last few days and the lengths that some of these people will go to is draining.
I know they would love to see me leave and shut my big mouth, but the only reason they want that is because they HATE THE TRUTH.
How did the GOP get to this point? It wasn't always like this, and why do they call themselves Christians and do all their dirty work in the name of God? I am a Christian, and i guess that's why their hypocracy and dirt is so hard to take continually.
I have tried to be nice to many of these hateful, condescending cons. I have added and removed them from my friends list a dozen times in an effort to get along.. it's just too draining.
Just like ranchhands smart alec comment about my husband wanting me to clean my house! He doesn't have a clue. My husband wishes i would quit cleaning and let him tear it up. Just more of the hateful same, constantly.
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n2n, Days late here, so in all probability you'll not see my little note, here posting. Stay with it! Keep up your great work on here (Prop), roll with the punches, and keep speaking your mind. It's worth it, it really is.
(Yes, there're a few really nasty folks on here, but I reckon some of the more rotten jibes are not really heartfelt -- they're just posted to see how you react. React well, and keep going!!)
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not2needy1 year, 5 months ago
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Victory will be sweet scott, but the same hypocritical cons will still be here demonizing. If Obama wins and turns everyone of them into millionaires, they will still demonize him. They thrive on hatred, it's their basic foundation of life.
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scott42611 year, 5 months ago
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Bush deserves it!
Not only has this president destroyed the Constitution, his political party, and the economy, but he's stretched the military too thin waging a war he should NEVER have started. He's ignored illegal immigration with the blessings of Mexico and he's willing to make a permanent "guest worker" underclass for his industry buddies. He is flagrantly shredding the U.S. Constitution in front of our faces...with the USAPATRIOT Act effectively p***ing on 6 out of the 10 rights in the Bill of Rights. He gives big oil sweet deals and record profits...in the meantime killing 4100 of our finest men and women....
As president, he is worse than Zachary Taylor, Franklin Pierce, James Buchanan, or Benjamin Harrison. Worse than Herbert Hoover or Richard Nixon. Jimmy Carter looks great in comparison.
In my opinion, he is absolutely the worst president in the history of this great country. And I cannot wait for January 20th, 2009!
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slate1 year, 5 months ago
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Bush deserves it!
And Clinton didn't? K doesn't? Peelosi?
All the others? Nooooooo your folks neva steal,,,, Beca Cheatmmm Beva have started a few 'real' wars on false pretense (even when Bush didn't) WWI and FGR Vietnam and Johnson,,,,, how loong did those little lies last, how many dead and how much profit was made,,,,,, Bush actually believed what Clinton and most of the Dem Senate and House believed,,, Saddam had WMDs,,,,
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not2needy1 year, 5 months ago
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Please show me where i called anyone a name in that post! Furthermore, please show me ANY post i have made that indicates that anyone who doesn't think that Obama would be a good pres is a white supremist!
Neocon is a common word used by many people on here, in fact, until i started participating on N/S-Prop, i had never heard of the term and i rarely use it.
Sometimes we need to know where and when to pick our fights. I had no fight with you, have never replied to you that i can remember, and i certainly have never called you a name.
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cushi1 year, 5 months ago
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Bush has done many things to earn the disrespect, disdain, and dislike of his constituents. The same cannot be said for Barack Obama. He has done NOTHING besides help people, inspire them, give them hope that they've sorely been missing, and attempt to position himself to do more of the same (how DARE he?). There is NO COMPARISON at ALL between the rank, undeserved hatred spewed on propeller toward Barack Obama and the well earned hateful remarks made about G W Bush, who has crippled this country dam near beyond repair and who has is largely responsible for the deaths of thousands of people, both domestic and foreign, in the Iraq war!
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I hear you. Sometimes I need a break for a couple of day. As you can see from AG's followers, there are a LOT of paid cons and cons that are in a sheer panic. They're here to make noise. That's pretty much it. So, I step away for a few days to remind myself that there's a lot of really desperate upper income people who are terrified because they know their ill gotten war time tax cuts are gonna evaporate in November. And that's really *all* that they care about, when you think about it. That's every other sentence out of a cons mouth "socialist" this or "waaaaahhh...I voted for Bush, and my tax cuts got snatched back by his Big Oil buddies! Geez, what a total freaking moron I am. Oh well...Maybe McCain will be different." It's a terribly sad story, really. ;-(
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cushi1 year, 5 months ago
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N2N, don't go, just send them away! Block them! When they get to the point that I can't read what they say without wanting to regurgitate, that's what I do. Aniokly is already blocked and Nixie, AG, Automan909, and Lum-Chate are on my "short list."
Whenever I feel like entertaining what someone I blocked has to say (which is usually a waste of time), I can always show their post and comment if I want to anyway, so it works fine for me.
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not2needy1 year, 5 months ago
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I know you're right cushi, i already have several of them blocked. Occasionally i show their comments to see what insult they have dished this time.
Sometimes i feel that blocking people gives them a free pass to continually insult me from post to post, with no consequence, but Jesus did say, turn the other cheek.
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what i find interesting about this rumor is that if it did materialize it would surprise no-one and wouldnt change anyones view--the osamabama faithful would defend and explain every word of it--the dinosaur media would drag out the "we need to understand how they feel" propaganda--sharpton would say whatever it is that he says--and it certainly wouldnt shock me to hear this sort of rhetoric from this shrew..it might offend some people in the middle of nebraska but i doubt it would cost barry O many votes ..probably gain some in the "keeping the black man down" white guilt sympathy column
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Goppy1 year, 5 months ago
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You might have a point there, ningy.
Liek GW.
He was a bona fide draft dodger ... but Mainstream Media dint do much with that - and it dint matter to us Christian Conservatives ... cause GW said he was 'Born Again'.
And even though GW's character could be measured by his penchant for mediocrity, for alcoholism, for his extensive use of cocaine, his drunk drivin incident, and his aggressive use of eminent domain to steal land from Middle Class citizens of Arlington ... none of it really mattered a lick.
Why?
Cause he SAID he was borned again. And thats all we Christian Conservatives needed to hear.
96% of us voted for him ... for that very reason and that very reason alone.
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false piety? LOL keep thinking that,,, you guys come in and do a slash and burn program then you claim the right is hateful,,,, that's pretty much how it goes..... it's ok I understand,,,, you feel that since you have a left leaning view and you follow the crowd on this site as well as some of the vocal scouts that others can't see it since you are all one big ole happy family. Too bad there are a few of us here to ruin your party....
Now I dare ya not to come in and talk about 18% of America thinks like this,,,,, yeppers that's why all the national elections have been one by such a large margin the last 10 years or more,,,, because 82% of the nation are left wingers,,,,, that's why there's still a fight in so many areas of the direction the country will go,,,,,, because the little ole crowd of 18% is ruining it for yas,,,,,,
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I would be very surprised, ningyo. But personally, I agree with the person who said there would be more than one video and it would have surfaced in the news if there were a shred of truth in it. The evidence against it continues to grow -- Michelle wasn't a speaker at any of the events and person who started the rumor has repeatedly contradicted himself.
The piece of fiction with a similar quote from a fictional black presidential candidate is probably coincidence. Coincidences do happen.
The original rumor just shows how desperate those on the right are. So many of you appear to believe that the end justifies the means. Trouble is the means ends up subverting the end. That's at least part of what went wrong with GWB's presidency.
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I'm from northern Ohio and I admit to having several Republican friends. They are all unabashedly racist, homophobic and pro-war.
Most still believe Saddam was behind 9/11 and had WMD so it's no surprise these NeoCon minions would spread these kind of stories.
CUZ THEY WORK ON THESE PEOPLE!
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cushi1 year, 5 months ago
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So is my brother! And we have believed he's brainwashed for a long, long time. I wonder how many of them served in Viet Nam or if any of them were in Military Intelligence? That was my brother's MOS, and then they tried to get him in the CIA (thank God, he decided not to go there!).
But, he is a staunch republican and we can pinpoint the fanatical change to his service in Viet Nam. When he came back home, he was profoundly changed and unable to focus on more than one issue! He's like most of them, a one trick pony!
Well, there are 6 of us, so I guess 1 out of 6 ain't bad! Kind of reflects the general populace, come to think of it, you know, 82% vs. 18%.
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mmrhe1 year, 5 months ago
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Can we all grow up about this Michelle Obama hates America?
I mean who among us with half a brain hasn't hated their country, president, mother, father, brother, neighbor, dog, job etc... at one time or another?
I think this time we can't afford to be distracted.
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I don't think you can be a grownup, until you have read the paper, watched the news, listened to the people in the donut shop, -
and suddenly not felt very, very TIRED of your country.
Its like anything else that asks for your dedication; babies, marriage, career, whatever; if it was always lovable it wouldn't NEED dedication.
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 5 months ago
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I was wondering what other novels could be used to slander Obama:
He has a ring that turns him invisible; it is slowly corrupting him into becoming a socialist elitist Wraith.
Obama has a secret tattoo on his wrist, of a skull with a snake coming from the mouth; it appears only when the Democratic forum is called to meet.
Obama loved another woman before he became the Great Obama; now he throws huge parties of champaign-fountains and dancing by the pool, but turns lonely eyes to this mysterious, languid Daisy.
Left out of his autobiography were the childhood years where he learned to be a pickpocket in London; the ringleader that taught him theft and politics was named Fagen Rezco.
Can I get paid to do this now?
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kedirian1 year, 5 months ago
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Based on past experience, the Democratic candidates and their spouses can be expected to be unmasked by the Republican Guardian Angels, AKA The Freeboat Flotilla, as "Frauds", "Perverts", "Pedofiles", "Child- and Wife-beaters", "Drunks", "Dop-addicts", "Closet-Q***s", "Islamists", and worst of all, as "LIBBURALS"...
Strange enough,but understandably, never a mention of any supra-umbilical vices!
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1-2-Oscar1 year, 5 months ago
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A brief biography of Michelle Obama would note that she was not born to wealth and privilege, but that she worked very hard to better herself, earned an Ivy-league scholarship and went on to gain a prestigious law degree. She has been financially successful as a lawyer and has earned a seat on several corporate boards. But much of her work is pro bono, and she has dedicated herself to working to improve her society and community in education, civil rights, adolescent justice, child welfare, and women's rights. Although these activities consume a great deal of time, there is still no doubt that her principal dedication is to her family. She adores her husband and she positively dotes on their two daughters, with whom and for whom she has worked tirelessly to assure that they have both access to opportunity and the tools to take advantage of it.
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1-2-Oscar1 year, 5 months ago
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Michelle Obama is an intelligent, energetic, accomplished, and gracious woman. During the next five months, Americans will have an opportunity to get to know her. I hope that they take advantage of it, because it will inform them about the qualities that the Obama family can bring to the White House.
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not2needy1 year, 5 months ago
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http://www.propeller.com/member/nixie/
Your response, eluding to the fact that i live in a cave and have rabies.
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Nixie1 year, 5 months ago
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Which was a reply to your comment:
"It is an illegal war Nixie. What cave have you been hiding in for the last 7 years?"
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/06/08/...
How many times are you going to post your lie? Until you believe it? Typical.
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unome21 year, 5 months ago
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When Bush Cheney knocked down the towers we were left a little dumb foundered, we need to regroup ,. We need to realize these stupid little things that we think separate us are not the problem. Hope, peace, real freedom are the answer .
Come with me.
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 5 months ago
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Unome2:
Delusion is never a real help to civility, or analysis, or argumentation.
If you think Bush and Cheney were responsible for 911, you inoculate them against any legitimate charges; and you comfort their supporters.
There is no unity in madness.
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