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Posted By jovial 1 year, 4 months ago in NewsIt will take the United States a century to recover from the damage wreaked by President George. W Bush, US writer Gore Vidal said in an interview published on Saturday.
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jovial1 year, 4 months ago
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Neophile1 year, 4 months ago
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Here's the full interview translated from Spanish:
http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&sl=es&t...
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sinophil491 year, 4 months ago
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jovial - You are right. Gore Vidal is way off the mark.
Our national debt incurred from WWII (1940-1945) was 2.1 trillion dollars. Our government finally paid it off by about 1980 under Pres Carter - a period of 35 yrs.
By the time GWB leaves office, the debt will be about 10 trillion dollars. This 4 times the WWII debt.
So assuming approximately the same average economic growth of the last 35 yrs, the debt will take 4 times the time period to pay off = 35X4 = 140 yrs.
However, considering the devalued dollar, the sky high oil prices, the cost of fighting global warming, the time frame will probably be considerably longer.
Add to that the further cost of the Iraq war. Even if Obama starts the process of withdrawal the day he takes office, the process will still take an additional trillion dollars. My guess is that it will take 150 to 200 yrs to pay off GWB's national debt. Who's to say I'm wrong?
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SayNO2Obama1 year, 4 months ago
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jovial, he is way off the mark. Wonder if he has been talking to Kucinich? hummm??? I believe HISTORY will show PRESIDENT BUSH to be one of the GREATEST PRESIDENT's EVER. Just wait...PRESIDENT BUSH will go out of office on TOP! GOD IS GOING TO BLESS HIM! Watch and see. THEN all of you can drop me a message...but not until. GET IT?? GOT IT? GOOD!
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splitrch1 year, 4 months ago
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1 to 2 generations at the most. Bush may represent the worst among us but we are 10 times better than that. We will learn from the mistakes of the last 8 years and build a better country than the one bush and his army of kool aid drinkers tried to destroy.
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not2needy1 year, 4 months ago
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Taken into consideration that we have had a republican president 20 of the last 28 years, and during the majority of that time we also had a republican congress, we haven't had much of a chance at progress in this country. Every republican admin gets more greedy and bolder in what they are willing to do to attain what they think is their just desserts as president of the supposed richest nation on earth. The end result is, they just about have it all now. Every day produces more homeless families. People can't afford the gas to even go to work in today's economy. Bush and his republican congress (the first 6 years of his terms) allowed the oil companies to get the upper hand on the US, and i guess the democrat congress we have now doesn't have enough of a majority to really do anything, so they just jumped on the band wagon.
The only really good years our economy has seen in the last 30 years is the Clinton years, and republicans hate him with a passion. I just don't understand.
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not2needy1 year, 4 months ago
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cont.
I know Clinton left a lot to be desired on a personal level, but at least there were jobs and people could buy gas for their vehicles. We didn't have the housing crisis we have now and there wasn't nearly 12 billion dollars missing, with NO investigation as to where it went. All the while, every insurance program for children being vetoed by our illustrious president.
George W Bush should be ashamed of himself. He has turned this country into a laughing stock, he has destroyed our economy. But what did the republicans expect, he destroyed the Texas Rangers, he destroyed an oil company, he has just about destroyed everything he has ever touched, and republicans wanted to give him his chance to destroy the whole country.
He got his chance, and he ran true to form, yet they still defend him. The absolute worst president this country has ever seen, and the sad reality is, we may NEVER recover from this fiasco. The rich are only richer and more powerful, mission accomplished.
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hyperbola1 year, 4 months ago
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Clinton was just another side of the same coin that we are presented in this election. "Hate Clinton" is just a distraction fro keeping Americans dumb and docile.
Obama And McCain: Two Sides Of The Same Coin
Politics Ã;Æ;;Ã;â;;Ã;¢;; The Democratic Party is about as much an "opposition party" as Eli Lilly is to Searle. They are just different brands of the same product. The product is the "Military Corporate Industrial Complex" that owns America, owns the media, owns the banking system and owns just about every main-stream politician in this whole damn country.
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/06/14/...
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jordan111 year, 4 months ago
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"We live in a country that frightens". Yes we do, some of us anyway. I remember the morning I watched the 2nd plane hit the second tower. My daughter had called about it (just after seven am) & I switched on the TV. My daughter was screaming over the phone, and I said nothing. She asked if I was there, and I told her I was, but couldn't talk right then. I had never in my life been so angry. The second time I was that furious, was watching rice testify that the August intelligence report didn't say where or when an attack would come, so there was nothing they could do about it. Even though the memo stated 'airplanes' would be used. They didn't increase security, and they didn't warn the public. I don't do "fear". I expect intelligent people to assess and act on security reports. And just because some moron talks tough, I don't believe for a moment he or she can do that job. But when so many Americans do 'fear' like little babies, we're stuck with incompetence.
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cowboygrandpa1 year, 4 months ago
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jordan11:
"We live in a country that frightens". "Yes we do, some of us anyway."
I couldn't agree with you more. The neocons are frightened that the lie is in the open.
I saw fear and have experienced it many times. I do not fear these people I loathe them. They are not be feared but kicked out and kept out of any position of public authority.
I was angry when they shot our last good president JFK, I was angry when the killed MLK, I was angry when they murdered the hope we had in Bobby Kennedy.
Now I'm cold and not angry. My voice here is one of sanity not the insanity of the Bushies.
Try these loooooooosers for what they are treasonous war criminals. Hang the no good basta*ds and let the recovery begin.
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miklkit1 year, 4 months ago
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not2needy1 year, 4 months ago
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It will definitely take longer. The only way to recover is to raise taxes and when a president raises taxes it pizzes people off, then the next thing you know, we have a repub campaigning that he/she will lower taxes, and there you go, another disaster.
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HannibalBarca1 year, 4 months ago
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There are things in American Political make up that I like;
Your senate allows Rhode Island the same power as Calf, not so in Canada
You can vote fer a Rep congressman and a Dem Pres if one so desires, not so in Canada
But we in Canada, like the Brits can get rid of a leader without impeachment.
We in Canada, like the Brits, can have a Gov fall and a new election any time that they in power lose a critical vote.
Maybe we can learn from each other
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Spadecaller1 year, 4 months ago
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I agree with everything except the reason for allowing the crimes that Bush and Cheney have committed. It was not for fear of disupting constitutional law. To the contrary, the constitution advocates impeachment and holds the president and VP accountable for defending the constitution from "foreign or domestic" enemies.
After the outing of Valerie Plame, many politicans and even news people have been too frightened by Cheney and Bush's intimate relationship with the Pentagon and CIA.
GWB had his father's key into the backdoor of the CIA to use it against those who threaten to expose their malfeasance and abuses. We have a bunch of frightened bootlicking members of Congress and "journalists" who are too afraid to advocate action against this administration.
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Beau78901 year, 4 months ago
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I also think the Democrats have had trouble understanding how to work the media. They've been afraid of being drowned out by Republicans screaming that impeachment proceedings would be a political ploy to "get back" at them for impeaching Clinton, and losing the popularity they've gained from voters gradually discovering how much the country has changed for the worse. They've been worried they'd never reclaim a majority.
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Spadecaller1 year, 4 months ago
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SueAnn Arrigo was a high-level CIA insider (Special Operations Advisor to the Director of Central Intelligence.) She also created the Remote Viewing Defense protocols for the Pentagon, which earned her a two-star general rank. She refers to her stars as a "ploy" so the Pentagon could get more of her time and have her attend monthly Joint Chiefs of Staff meetings. Only high-level personnel are invited; she was there from Oct. 2003 to July 2004.
One of her roles involved intelligence gathering on Iraq and Afghanistan; but in August 2004 she refused to spread propaganda about a non-existant Iranian nuclear weapons program and left. She followed others CIAs who resigned for similar reasons and became critics ( Ray McGovern, Ralph McGehee, and Phil Agee).
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Spadecaller1 year, 4 months ago
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Last month Arrigo sent extensive government corruption and cover-up data to Henry Waxman, Chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform committee - in 12 separate cases. The 12 cases are explosive and revealing but still just the tip of the iceberg. Members of Congress are scared. And, yet what they have ignored is even more frightening.
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hyperbola1 year, 4 months ago
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Here is the full story to which you are referring Spade.
Exposing Pentagon and CIA Corruption
Politics â;; The Special Operations Advisor to the Director of Central Intelligence (DCI), who is also a two-star general, sent extensive government corruption and cover-up information to Henry Waxman, Chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform committee - in 12 separate cases.
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/06/12/...
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bluetexasvalley1 year, 4 months ago
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Scott, read Tehranchick's story "What's the vice president up to these days", politics channel, and you'll see why it's going to take so long. In fact read ALL the stories in Froomkin's 5-part series. Made me want to choke somebody's neck, and I am NOT a violent person at all.
Sorry, I don't know how to place a story link in my comment. If someone would PM me with instructions, I would be ever so grateful. :)
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bobmyster1 year, 4 months ago
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I cannot agree more about the comments concerning the relationship of the media with this murderous administration. While I don't like looking at the end results of war, has anyone noticed that we never ever see the flag wrapped caskets of dead American solider's on the nightly news? I recall during the VietNam era the nightly news constantly showed the end result of what now is termed neo-con freedom fighting. To read the blogs of various right wingers almost makes me puke to think that some are so patriotic that they do not see the smoke of the towers for the truth that lie's behind them.
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donald511 year, 4 months ago
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Yes, more true un-Ameericans who like torture, preemptive war, Gitmo, evesdropping w/o a warrant... the fools who negged this article... always the same unprincipled idiots! Folks who assuredly would have supported Hitler too! I'm just amazed Jose isn't among them!
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When all is said and done, Gore Vidal is right. What the Bush bunch and their enablers ( Congress and the hard core Republican 30% ) has done to the Ideal of American Democracy is mindboggling.
The real fear I have is that the rest of the World is going to unite some day and say "We ain't gonna take it any more"
Then will come the war that we will surely lose.
We won't suffer, but our Grandchildren and theirs might. Sooner or later some of our progeny will suffer and die for the things that we sat still for in our time of opportunity to effect change.
Of course we might just effect that change. We can. The only hope is that we do.
McCain is not the answer.
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svensun1 year, 4 months ago
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Gore Vidal has about as much credibility on the subject of the future of America as does Ahmed Ahmadinejad, and Ahmadinejad probably knows a lot more about how Americans think than Vidal does, either.
These are risible comments, which lead one to ask, if we live in a "a dictatorship... ...a fascist government ...which controls the media", then why isn't Vidal in prison?
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Itachirumon1 year, 4 months ago
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I'm not worried about McCain, I'm worried about who Obama picks as his VP. Because he's (or she's) who'll be running the country, unfortunately.
Do you really think these nutcases will let another Kennedy clone into office? Let alone a 'black' one? Traitors to freedom will assassinate him within weeks of him taking the white house
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cushi1 year, 4 months ago
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Your fears definitely are not without a foundation! I marvel at the bravery of Barack Obama to even WANT to help this country when it, unfortunately, houses so many diseased and deranged citizens who would gladly take out their hostilities on the very one who's willing and potentially able to make things better for them!
For that reason, I pray and I ask everyone to pray for God's protection upon the man and his family, because there are evil, hateful, wicked or irrationally fearful people out here who would not hesitate to do him and them harm, simply because of their ethnic makeup.
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Poulenc1 year, 4 months ago
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Vidal, now 82, and a national treasure IMO, was asked in an interview that appears in today's NY Times Magazine, how he felt when William Buckley, with whom in the 60s he had famously tangled (once calling him the Marie Antoinette of American politics), died, replied,
"...hell is bound to be a livelier place, as he joins forever those he served in life, applauding their prejudices and fanning their hatred."
Too few today know how to deliver the sharp--and cleansing--slap.
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