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Posted By jovial 1 year, 6 months ago in NewsIt will take the United States a century to recover from the damage wreaked by President George. W Bush, US writer Gore Vidal said in an interview published on Saturday.
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jovial1 year, 6 months ago
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Neophile1 year, 6 months ago
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Here's the full interview translated from Spanish:
http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&sl=es&t...
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santa01 year, 6 months ago
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i can't get the story for some reason... but based off the title, it sounds a little extreme. FDR took us from hoovervilles to defeating the german industrial war machine and into the middle class boom of the 50's. good leadership, good policies, and little luck and we'll be back on top. maybe that's blind patriotism, but i believe it.
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rightfromwrong1 year, 6 months ago
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U must be on drugs jovial....America will never be on top again.The Bilderbergs are on top. The Jewish zog control everything. Bush,Clintons,Kissenger and many others are all part of the scheme. There can be little doubt they had the Kennedies killed as they were against secret societies.
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hyperbola1 year, 6 months ago
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Automated translations are still deficient. If you can read the interview in spanish.
http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2008/06/14/intern...
By the way, El Mundo is the largest of the "right-wing" newspapers in Spain.
Can you imagine a "right-wing" newspaper in the US (say the Wall Street Journal) publishing this kind of interview? Might give you an idea of the degree of self-censorship in the american corporate media.
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cowboygrandpa1 year, 6 months ago
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hyperbola:
When you don't insert the hateful rhetoric you come across very well.
Thanks.
You are quite right. The self censorship in America is tied to corporate interests.
Our nation reminds me of the old Rome more and more daily. Corrupted and crumbling from the abusive political power wielded by those looking to build personal fortune at the cost of our nation.
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TheRealizer1 year, 6 months ago
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Washington D C is a giant revolving door, people go from legislative and White House jobs to lobbying firms then to jobs in the military supply business. The military procurement folks go from there to the boards of the firms they bought from. It reeks of corruption on a GRAND scale!!
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sinophil491 year, 6 months ago
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jovial - You are right. Gore Vidal is way off the mark.
Our national debt incurred from WWII (1940-1945) was 2.1 trillion dollars. Our government finally paid it off by about 1980 under Pres Carter - a period of 35 yrs.
By the time GWB leaves office, the debt will be about 10 trillion dollars. This 4 times the WWII debt.
So assuming approximately the same average economic growth of the last 35 yrs, the debt will take 4 times the time period to pay off = 35X4 = 140 yrs.
However, considering the devalued dollar, the sky high oil prices, the cost of fighting global warming, the time frame will probably be considerably longer.
Add to that the further cost of the Iraq war. Even if Obama starts the process of withdrawal the day he takes office, the process will still take an additional trillion dollars. My guess is that it will take 150 to 200 yrs to pay off GWB's national debt. Who's to say I'm wrong?
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CHAM1 year, 6 months ago
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Sino
And lets not forget the "Accrued" ( Long Term Liabilities ) that has shot up during the Bush Administration.
When Bush took office, this type debt stood at $20 Trillion.
By September 1, 2007 it had risen to $53 Trillion-per the Comptroller General of the USA and in his annual report. The next report is due this Sept.
I'll bet that debt will exceed $60 Trillion. How long will it take to pay that back down to $20 Trillion?
Sixty Trillion is 60,000 Billion.
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sinophil491 year, 6 months ago
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CHAM - Sheesh. Economics has always been one of my weak points. To my everlasting regret, I never took Econ 101 in college, because I thought it would have been boring. All my superficial knowledge is from reading and trying to understand terms and issues on my own.
Now here comes another term I don't understand and I have to cram this into my shrinking brain.
Lord help me!!
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rightfromwrong1 year, 6 months ago
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slate1 year, 6 months ago
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Let's say a billion years if we are going to pull a number out our azz to try and further vilify Bush.
raping & pillaging you say?
So every country in Europe, Asia, as well as most of Africa are raping and pillaging, since they are ahem BUYING the one resource that and otherwise remorseless region of the planet?
Buying, each country, with money, not stolen or raped or pillaged as you claim with little more fact than you just think that's what's happening.
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tanglang1 year, 6 months ago
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dissent1 year, 6 months ago
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Goppy1 year, 6 months ago
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LOL!!!
Thanks tangy! You REALLY expressed our Right Wing POV that tiem.
You are right ... on so many levels.
When we got somebody in charge, such as GW, to who we have given over our complete trust and adulation, EVERYTHING - is what it is!
And we are happy to turn a complete blind eye to whatever transpires. And you are one of the best at that.
But let a presdient who represents a political point of view which we RESENT ... which we consider evil (even though we dont know why) ... well ... we work to undermine that.
Remember, we are Christian Conservatives. What that means is that our Conservatism is a Religion ... And our Christianity is our Politics.
AND
Rational Comparin and Contrastin are against our Moral Code.
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slate1 year, 6 months ago
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Fools like you dissent gleefully believe every bad prediction you hear, it bolsters your claim that Republicans are evil and democrats are saints. Me thinks you need to consider that there have been TWO parties at work since the 1800s and both parties have guided us to where we are today,,, not one good and virtuous party (usually the one you vote for) and one bad/evil one, your opponent. They are Both good and both bad, and in the end they have the same goals (government power). If this is not true, then why are we still kicking around the same broken things for more than 50 years now? Because one party is really really trying and the other is holding them back? Surely even you aren't that naïve?
Anyone that actually buys into the argument that Democrats are for the country and Republicans are not OR vise Versa, those are the true fools involved in this political discourse.
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dissent1 year, 6 months ago
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"No we don't but your foolish zeal of making these wild eyed claims is worthy of us making fun of you."
i'm not gore vidal but for the sake of your hallucination i'll play along. so tell me, what exactly is it that you don't think is fine?
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slate1 year, 6 months ago
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I've said it enough times that things aren't fine, so I won't be playing that silly game. The point is you guys pull these numbers out and throw them on the wall and dance around your hate Bush bonfire,,,,, so then I come in and make fun of your false pretense of knowing how long it will take to 'cure' the world of Bush,,,,,
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slate1 year, 6 months ago
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So if these numbers are off the wall, what is your forecast?
How the heck do I know? That really depends on many things doesn't it?
20? 40? the world could end tomorrow for all we know,,,,, A brilliant mind could come up with the soultion for a low cost energy source which could be made here,,,,,
Many things can happen 'tomorrow' it's foolish to make guesses of what will happen,,,,,, you'll most likely be wrong
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slate1 year, 6 months ago
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One party is more a slave to corporations?
I suppose you haven't noticed that many in the Democrat party have belonged to corporations, or have accepted money from them, as well as lining their pockets with military funds?
I supposed you've also missed the point that the Dems are Slaves to their own 'special' interests?
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slate1 year, 6 months ago
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LOL yeah buddy your party is da bomb,,,,, the party of the people right
That's why Obama put his elisist foot in his big mouth?
The party against racism? Cough, both camps of your party has acted like the KK the last few months
FOr the country? That's why china has some key secrets thanks to your former golden child?
Yeah words mean things,,, but something the meanings change,,, I'm sure you can think of a few?
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nonparted1 year, 6 months ago
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"One party is more a slave to corporate interests (as opposed to populist interests) than the other. If you fail to recognize that, you've got the kool ade in your veins."
kazak people that has ur state of mind need to get a grip on reality by making this statement above..
both political parties are slaves to corporate interestst as u say.
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slate1 year, 6 months ago
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you see, that's the difference between you and me,,,,
LOL yeah your reality is differnt than mine. Do you think it would be the same? Heck your 'reality' is differnt from every person here and around the planet,,,,, your view is your view and mine is mine,,,,, if your 'reality' thinks it will take a 100 years to cure the ills of Bush who am I to challange that personal mindset,,,,,, Lest you could have done was to pcik a number that you may be still around to say you told us so.
In the end Diss, we all know what this and other claims is about,,, Bush is evil,, MCCain is Bush Jr.,, Vote for Obama and Change Halleluiah! You partisan? Nooooooooo!
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dissent1 year, 6 months ago
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"The point is you guys pull these numbers out and throw them on the wall and dance around your hate Bush bonfire,,,,, so then I come in and make fun of your false pretense of knowing how long it will take to 'cure' the world of Bush,,,,,"
metA·phor
n.
1. A figure of speech in which a word or phrase that ordinarily designates one thing is used to designate another, thus making an implicit comparison, as in "a sea of troubles" or "All the world's a stage" Shakespeare.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/metaphor
100 years = a long time (metaphorically speaking)
.... man, these posts a pingponging all over the place!
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dissent1 year, 6 months ago
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"In the end Diss, we all know what this and other claims is about,,, Bush is evil,, MCCain is Bush Jr.,, Vote for Obama and Change Halleluiah! You partisan? Nooooooooo!"
if these are my reasons to vote for obama i don't see how that makes me partisan. partisan means i would only vote for obama for no other reason than because he's the democrat nominee just as you would be partisan if you were to vote for mccain for no other reason than because he's republican.
i'll add to your point and say that this election is soooo critical that if obama gets to the white house there's hope for at least another generation or two on planet earth. if mccain gets there instead we can all stick our heads between our legs the day after tomorrow and kiss our asses goodbye. that's how important this is
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slate1 year, 6 months ago
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Diss,,,, we are all fairly sure Obama will win, can we agree?
I just hope he can deliver what he's selling and your buying.
I mean come on your are saying that without Saint O there's NO hope for at least another generation or two on planet earth. if mccain gets there instead we can all stick our heads between our legs the day after tomorrow and kiss our asses goodbye. that's how important this is.
Do you read the things you post? Who really thinks the planet on the brink of destruction? Can I see a show of hands?
If Obama wins, the world survives if McCain does it's the end of mankind,, who hear actually buys this thinking?
You know, that's why it's so difficult to talk to you guys, you are more about negative emotion than anything,,,,,
I better vote for Obama I'd not want to be known as part of the reason humans won't survive to the next generation,,,, what life must be like to view it from such a pessimistic point of view.
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dissent1 year, 6 months ago
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don't give me this crap. you have no problem with "negative thinking" when it's spewed by the bush propaganda smoke machine. do i really need to repeat it again and again? it looks like i do....
IMMINENT THREAT!!!
SADDAM'S PACKIN' WMDS AND HE AIMS TO USE 'EM!!!
MUSHROOM CLOUDS!!!
ISLAMOFASCISTS ARE COMING TO KILL AND EAT YOUR BABIES!!!
BOOGA BOOGA BOO BOO BOO!!!!!!
hmmm.... seems awfully "negative" to me. how about you slate? or is you memory now maxed out at highly selective? you and i and everyone in this world knows this admin has run on nothing but "negative thinking". it has had nothing positive to offer and it has left us with nothing but dead bodies and red ink. it was pure bs that started us on this highway to hell and took us into a situation where REAL people are dying, the rest of the world is REALLY turning against us and our economy is now REALLY imploding and now YOU criticize ME for "negative thinking"? give me a break.
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slate1 year, 6 months ago
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LOL you are pretty much out there on this one I'd stop while I could if I were you. At no time in my life (except when Kennedy almost got us vaporized) did I hear any say it's the end of the world if a Dem gets elected and that we won't see another generation.
Mushroom clouds? YEah the Dems actually has a past of using that in TV adds huh?
Imminent threat? You've been keeping up with the foiled attempts of attacking us again no?
Saddam's Packing WMDs? Some very prominent Dems agreed before they disagreed with that.
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/12/...
ISLAMOFASCISTS ARE COMING TO KILL AND EAT YOUR BABIES!!! Neva once have I heard this phrase? However, if I recall ISLAMOFASCISTS did kill 3,000 of us to get this all started. Have you forgotten?
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slate1 year, 6 months ago
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We've said that yes we need to protect this country from someone that may want to attack us and kill as many as possible, but at no time can I recall the IT"S GONNA BE MAN'S DOOM if the other side wins.
The Dems that say the Republicans are Nazis, are going to starve your children, or make the elderly have to eat dog food. They say a Republican vote means one more burning cross in a yard, another man drug behind a truck. Yeah your side is soooooooooo high brow with your positive message.
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hamy1 year, 6 months ago
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I don't think democrats are saints. I do think that Bush did such damage to our nation as to warrant a hyperbole.
And you are the one who is bringing party into this discussion. I never said anything about democrats or republicans. We talked about Bush and Cheney and their war on America.
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tanglang1 year, 6 months ago
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NO they have not. Republicans have gone against President Bush on more than one occasion. I know it's been a whole year since the immigration bill, but you should at least remember it.
And Donald, referring torepublicans as the terrorist party is some panty waste bull sht. Yet we all expected you to say something stupid so we were not surprised.
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tanglang1 year, 6 months ago
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D> None of the above. I work hard, everyday. I work with my hands doing what I love. And in the end it pays off. At the rate I'm going, I'll have my house paid off by the time I'm 35. Not bad for someone the dems say should need help to pay for health insurance.
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mesodude1 year, 6 months ago
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"Let's say a billion years if we are going to pull a number out our azz to try and further vilify Bush."
--And yet you've accepted on blind faith every single estimate Bushco has asked you to swallow over the last 8 years (including predictions of how long our presence in Iraq should be and lowball numbers of people we've slaughtered there). Doesn't sound so ridiculous when the script is reversed, does it, Slater?
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slate1 year, 6 months ago
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Who's protecting Bush? He and congress has damaged things over the last 8 years, I'm not sure if they did it on purpose as many want to claim,,,,, he and Cheney as with any president never do anything alone,,,,,, congress helps,,,,,,, yes even the supposed minority side of both houses are culpable.
But to say the damage will last 100 years is just pulling a good sounding (worse case) number out of the air to help the Democrat party further vilify this administration to gain power and turn our eyes away from the complicity of their own acts over time.
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mesodude1 year, 6 months ago
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lol tangy, I've yet to meet a con on Propeller who says uttered a discouraging word about Bush beyond the usual superficial "yerp, Bush done wrong but..." And that includes you and slater. At most we hear "Bush is not perfect" or "Bush has made mistakes" blah blah blah...That's CRAP. Tens of thousands have DIED because of him and you people think squeaking out an occasional half-hearted remark like "everybody makes mistakes" qualifies as criticism. So prove me wrong, either one of you. Pull out ALL of the posts in which you acknowledge that Bush has screwed up (and I'm not talking about in some nebulous "nobody's perfect" half @ssed way"). If I'm so off target, put your money where you Bush-worshipping mouths are. I DARE you, tangy. ;-P
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tanglang1 year, 6 months ago
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http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/03/13/...
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/03/13/...
http://religion.propeller.com/story/2007/12/16/...
Meso, I spent all of five minutes finding these links. Perhaps you should get you some geritol old man as your memory is slipping. For me to pull out all of the posts I would be on here pasting links for the next five hours. And screw that. There is some cold beer waiting for me up the street.
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tanglang1 year, 6 months ago
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I forgot about this one.
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/06/14/...
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mesodude1 year, 6 months ago
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--And in each one of those comments you failed to meet the terms of my challenge, Tangy. In the first, you said basically "I don't agree with Bush on illegal immigration. In the second, Bush isn't even mentioned (although you had plenty of venom towards "the illegals"). In the third you wish that "their family" (the Bush family) would "disappear" (that sent chills up my spine....whooo...lol), and in the last one you give Bush a grade of "F" on immigration. I'd give Hitler an "F" on human rights but that hardly counts as a meaningful criticism. You, I give a D-. Definitely needs improvement. Come back after that beer wears off.
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tanglang1 year, 6 months ago
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"We have enough Gaurd troops to properly secure the border, *we just don't have any leaders* with a pair that will arm them so they can solve the problem."
That covers the President.
The conversation from the third one as that the Bushs, Kennedys and the Clintons all need to be run out of DC. They all need to retire never to be heard from again. That does not meet the terms of your challenge???
I'd swear it was YOU that's been doing the drinkin!
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dissent1 year, 6 months ago
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maybe rummy can tells us, you know, 6 days, 6 weeks, i doubt 6 months. maybe dick can tell us, he's pretty sure about EVERYTHING (even if he is always wrong), maybe wolfowitz can tell us how iraqi oil will pay for it, or maybe condi can just make it all vanish in a puff of mushroom cloud. nah, i'm with you on this one, the cc computer has better odds
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dissent1 year, 6 months ago
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"Pssst,,,,, your side is making this 'claim' the balls in your court. Maybe you should consult the Oracle of Delphi, throw some 'bones' or let someone read some entrails?"
Psst.... those are 100 metaphorical years. writers like metaphors. it means, in literary terms, a vewy vewy loooong time. just like 6 days, 6 weeks, i doubt 6 months was supposed to mean a vewy vewy shooort time. only rumsfeld wasn't being metaphorical, and neither were the rest of them. i only wish they had been
btw, this is in response to slate
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slate1 year, 6 months ago
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Hard numbers?
This is all conjecture, anyone that takes the 100 years as fact knows squat.
We recovered from a much worse time during the Depression. Who here is without work and home? Times are tough, but they were tough for me during Carter, Clinton and Reagan too, but I survived. This country will survive this too and sooner than you pessimists think. I have faith in this nation's people over the government.
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mesodude1 year, 6 months ago
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When we have a draft and begin rationing and when those who cheerlead for the war are actually sacrificing (instead of sitting back with their yaps open waiting for their next tax cut), then we can talk about making comparisons between the illegal invasion of Iraq and those other conflicts. As it is, I imagine many of those who fought for us decades ago are turning over in their graves when they hear comments like yours.
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slate1 year, 6 months ago
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Messo,,,, if you haven't served in Iraq or joined the armed forces, you have little to tell others that they don't have a say if they haven't served,,,,
Quit spinning, ther are newly dead from this war that are already spinning as your side calls them evil occupiers and accuses them of war crimes.
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tanglang1 year, 6 months ago
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While doing meso's homework for him I found posts you had made months ago crying that same BS. My response then is no different than it is today.
God forbid that we allow foreigners who want to risk their lives to serve this nation out of their love for it to become citizens.
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mesodude1 year, 6 months ago
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"God forbid that we allow foreigners who want to risk their lives to serve this nation out of their love for it to become citizens."
--But if American citizens don't think the "war" is worth fighting, maybe there's a lesson in there for us somewhere, Tangy? ;-(
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mesodude1 year, 6 months ago
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Tangy, what I find offensive is that the only reason you and others on the right are even open to this idea now is that you know Americans don't think the war is worth fighting. If we weren't scraping the bottom of the barrel just to meet recruitment goals, you wouldn't have such a "progressive" philosophy on immigration. You want this war to continue at any cost so you're willing to suspend your hatred for "the illegals" and simply open the floodgates.
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dissent1 year, 6 months ago
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"God forbid that we allow foreigners who want to risk their lives to serve this nation out of their love for it to become citizens."
let me see.... fight our wars and receive amnesty. nah, that's not love, that's a business transaction
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slate1 year, 6 months ago
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BS... This country when the citizens want it, can recover from world wars and a depression in a very short time.
Yeah! A voice of reason in the American spirit.
For those that put their faith in congress to solve our problems. Here's a great example of why you may want to rethink that view.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=e-LOtKIIKcg
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slate1 year, 6 months ago
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AH but this congress has done so much right? Like foring us to use a lightbulb to get us off oil?
You know, a light that will spead heavy metals all over your house if you breal one,,,,,, one that is also only made in China?
I wonder, is there anyone in the US that can make lights?
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mesodude1 year, 6 months ago
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"You know, a light that will spead heavy metals all over your house if you breal one,,,,,, one that is also only made in China?"
--First of all, this is folklore and second, why would your clumsy @ss be breaking light bulbs that don't require changing for years at a time? If you can't install or dispose of a light bulb without breaking it, you're a danger to yourself. Anyway, you suck in plenty of heavy metal throughout the day from all the pollution in the air, a few extra molecules won't hurt you. Just learn to change a light bulb competently.
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donald511 year, 6 months ago
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Slate, we'll never forget the Repug 109th "Do Nothing" Congress that even went to a 4 day week under Hastert! And now how the Repug senators block any real efforts by Congress to make amends for the Repug damage done!
18 of 22 Most Corrupt Congressmen are Repugs in spite of Dumya's guidance to go after only Dems!
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mark-stevens1 year, 6 months ago
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Nothing learned here!!! Someone trying to change the subject... I said if we keep electing a goverment that divides the country. Some people want this country divided, and those may lose a divided country
Obama favors amnesty meaning if illegal and you turn your self in, that you go back to Mexico and apply for immigration.
Obama is not popular with the hispanic voter. McCain by the neo-cons is called Juan McCain.
We have to quit with Obama is evil or McCain is, compared to Bush and Haliburton Cheney, they are both saints
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mesodude1 year, 6 months ago
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"Obama is not popular with the hispanic voter. McCain by the neo-cons is called Juan McCain."
--You're joking, right? Why on earth would ANYONE vote for someone like McCain who has flipflopped on so many issues including immigration reform? Here in the DC area, the Latino and Hispanic communities know which party is for rounding them up gestapo style and deporting them and which party is for humane, rational solutions. Wingers want to hear that McCain is gonna start rounding people up and kicking them out of the US so what's he gonna do?
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SayNO2Obama1 year, 6 months ago
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jovial, he is way off the mark. Wonder if he has been talking to Kucinich? hummm??? I believe HISTORY will show PRESIDENT BUSH to be one of the GREATEST PRESIDENT's EVER. Just wait...PRESIDENT BUSH will go out of office on TOP! GOD IS GOING TO BLESS HIM! Watch and see. THEN all of you can drop me a message...but not until. GET IT?? GOT IT? GOOD!
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miklkit1 year, 6 months ago
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Dumbya does talk to God.
http://pnews.org/ArT/EuR/GoD.shtml
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dissent1 year, 6 months ago
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i have no problem with opposing views but this guy opposes even himself!! he's screaming defiance while running away!! i had to consider it was satire but i think it's just that he's not too bright. i guess that would make him regressive. i can see why he gets your full support
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splitrch1 year, 6 months ago
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1 to 2 generations at the most. Bush may represent the worst among us but we are 10 times better than that. We will learn from the mistakes of the last 8 years and build a better country than the one bush and his army of kool aid drinkers tried to destroy.
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donald511 year, 6 months ago
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...we instituted the FISA law after the abuses of Nixon... look how Dumya has gotten around it! No, the Repugs just keep refining their evil and should be declared what they really are... a terrorist organization in America, and banned!
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not2needy1 year, 6 months ago
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Taken into consideration that we have had a republican president 20 of the last 28 years, and during the majority of that time we also had a republican congress, we haven't had much of a chance at progress in this country. Every republican admin gets more greedy and bolder in what they are willing to do to attain what they think is their just desserts as president of the supposed richest nation on earth. The end result is, they just about have it all now. Every day produces more homeless families. People can't afford the gas to even go to work in today's economy. Bush and his republican congress (the first 6 years of his terms) allowed the oil companies to get the upper hand on the US, and i guess the democrat congress we have now doesn't have enough of a majority to really do anything, so they just jumped on the band wagon.
The only really good years our economy has seen in the last 30 years is the Clinton years, and republicans hate him with a passion. I just don't understand.
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cont.
I know Clinton left a lot to be desired on a personal level, but at least there were jobs and people could buy gas for their vehicles. We didn't have the housing crisis we have now and there wasn't nearly 12 billion dollars missing, with NO investigation as to where it went. All the while, every insurance program for children being vetoed by our illustrious president.
George W Bush should be ashamed of himself. He has turned this country into a laughing stock, he has destroyed our economy. But what did the republicans expect, he destroyed the Texas Rangers, he destroyed an oil company, he has just about destroyed everything he has ever touched, and republicans wanted to give him his chance to destroy the whole country.
He got his chance, and he ran true to form, yet they still defend him. The absolute worst president this country has ever seen, and the sad reality is, we may NEVER recover from this fiasco. The rich are only richer and more powerful, mission accomplished.
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(((I know Clinton left a lot to be desired on a personal level, but at least there were jobs and people could buy gas for their vehicles))
I know Nixon left a lot to be desired, but at least there were jobs and people had avalible gas to buy for their vehicles. Such an easy game to play, the Blame Game is.
You know somthng, they claimed Lincoln was the worse President, he did away with HC,,,,, and other things they didn't like as they were living at that time in history,,,,, but later,,, historians changed their minds,,,,, besides Cater, Johnson, Nixon and Ford came along to help out. Just as now, we can't possibly know how real history will treat Bush, no matter what your Personal opinion of him is.
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Clinton was just another side of the same coin that we are presented in this election. "Hate Clinton" is just a distraction fro keeping Americans dumb and docile.
Obama And McCain: Two Sides Of The Same Coin
Politics Ã;Æ;;Ã;â;;Ã;¢;; The Democratic Party is about as much an "opposition party" as Eli Lilly is to Searle. They are just different brands of the same product. The product is the "Military Corporate Industrial Complex" that owns America, owns the media, owns the banking system and owns just about every main-stream politician in this whole damn country.
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/06/14/...
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donald511 year, 6 months ago
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in just 8 years dumya has let the terrorists commit 911, thrown out 800 years of accepted western law, permitted eavesdropping without a warrant, commited war crimes (preemptive war and torture) for which this country hanged foreignores for after WW2, backed out of the Nuclear non-proliferation treaty, sheparded the greatest difference between the rich and the poor, created the greatest debt... the list goes on and on of his contributions to the demise of the country!
State you are complicit in his evil and should be rotting with him in a foreign jail!
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Donnie I was going to try and tell you how misguided you are in your thinking that BUSH allowed an attack,,,, but then I thought about the wingnuts that drove off that same Cliff with FDR and WWII,,, so Idecided to wave at you as your car became airborne.
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lfergie8121 year, 6 months ago
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LOL Hannibal, it's always after 5 o'clock somewhere. Always time for a nice cold beer.
I know what you mean N2N about the post that disappear and reappear somewhere else. I made a post to a comment and it went to the wrong place so I made sure I clicked the right arrow and it happened again. Really weird.
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jordan111 year, 6 months ago
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"We live in a country that frightens". Yes we do, some of us anyway. I remember the morning I watched the 2nd plane hit the second tower. My daughter had called about it (just after seven am) & I switched on the TV. My daughter was screaming over the phone, and I said nothing. She asked if I was there, and I told her I was, but couldn't talk right then. I had never in my life been so angry. The second time I was that furious, was watching rice testify that the August intelligence report didn't say where or when an attack would come, so there was nothing they could do about it. Even though the memo stated 'airplanes' would be used. They didn't increase security, and they didn't warn the public. I don't do "fear". I expect intelligent people to assess and act on security reports. And just because some moron talks tough, I don't believe for a moment he or she can do that job. But when so many Americans do 'fear' like little babies, we're stuck with incompetence.
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cowboygrandpa1 year, 6 months ago
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jordan11:
"We live in a country that frightens". "Yes we do, some of us anyway."
I couldn't agree with you more. The neocons are frightened that the lie is in the open.
I saw fear and have experienced it many times. I do not fear these people I loathe them. They are not be feared but kicked out and kept out of any position of public authority.
I was angry when they shot our last good president JFK, I was angry when the killed MLK, I was angry when they murdered the hope we had in Bobby Kennedy.
Now I'm cold and not angry. My voice here is one of sanity not the insanity of the Bushies.
Try these loooooooosers for what they are treasonous war criminals. Hang the no good basta*ds and let the recovery begin.
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"Imagine, if Bush wasn't the son of George H.W.Bush, he would not have been president"
Quite so, he would've been unsuited to any form of useful employment, and would've required external support, in what ever he did. Historians will ever wonder "How was it that such a man as this was able to reach the very pinnacle of American politics?"
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It will definitely take longer. The only way to recover is to raise taxes and when a president raises taxes it pizzes people off, then the next thing you know, we have a repub campaigning that he/she will lower taxes, and there you go, another disaster.
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mesodude1 year, 6 months ago
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I think where we lost ground is in education and in the media and I think that's where we need to focus more of our energies. Educated people know that borrowing and spending (so that we can fight multiple wars and still pretend that life is a bowl of cherries) is like a dangerous game of kicking the can down the road. I think the Democratic party also needs to do a better job of educating people about what their taxes are paying for.
I've been horrified by how insidious the reach of the neocon media has grown since Clinton left office. Having Bush in office has meant that all manner or regulatory bodies have been beaten back, eliminated or extinguished before they could catch fire. We need some common sense back in government so we can combat the Exxonmobilization of the media.
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HannibalBarca1 year, 6 months ago
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There are things in American Political make up that I like;
Your senate allows Rhode Island the same power as Calf, not so in Canada
You can vote fer a Rep congressman and a Dem Pres if one so desires, not so in Canada
But we in Canada, like the Brits can get rid of a leader without impeachment.
We in Canada, like the Brits, can have a Gov fall and a new election any time that they in power lose a critical vote.
Maybe we can learn from each other
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Mdiar1 year, 6 months ago
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As intelligent as I can come across sometimes I just now realized that "ITA" means "I totally agree". Dang. I need a thesaurus... and I play MMOs alot, too. I should know these things.
Oh, and HB, ITA. ITFA. I've been saying something like that for five years and that's a significant amount of time considering I'm only gonna be twenty in November.
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jordan111 year, 6 months ago
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http://www.gaarde.org/acronyms/ Will an internet acronym dictionary do?
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Spadecaller1 year, 6 months ago
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I agree with everything except the reason for allowing the crimes that Bush and Cheney have committed. It was not for fear of disupting constitutional law. To the contrary, the constitution advocates impeachment and holds the president and VP accountable for defending the constitution from "foreign or domestic" enemies.
After the outing of Valerie Plame, many politicans and even news people have been too frightened by Cheney and Bush's intimate relationship with the Pentagon and CIA.
GWB had his father's key into the backdoor of the CIA to use it against those who threaten to expose their malfeasance and abuses. We have a bunch of frightened bootlicking members of Congress and "journalists" who are too afraid to advocate action against this administration.
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Beau78901 year, 6 months ago
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I also think the Democrats have had trouble understanding how to work the media. They've been afraid of being drowned out by Republicans screaming that impeachment proceedings would be a political ploy to "get back" at them for impeaching Clinton, and losing the popularity they've gained from voters gradually discovering how much the country has changed for the worse. They've been worried they'd never reclaim a majority.
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Beau78901 year, 6 months ago
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People who know the Democrats didn't do their jobs on impeachment and on spreading the message of the Bush administration's malfeasance don't have an alternative. If they really believe the current administration is wrong, they can't vote for McSame or his supporters running for Congress.
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mesodude1 year, 6 months ago
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"They've been afraid of being drowned out by Republicans screaming that impeachment proceedings would be a political ploy."
--I think that may be part of it but I also think the media and politicians on the right have been in bed with each other to an extent which I've never seen until this current election cycle. I felt lthat something smelled bad in the lead up to the Iraq disgrace but the current stench in terms of coverage in Iraq and the Presidential campaign is positively overwhelming.
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Spadecaller1 year, 6 months ago
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SueAnn Arrigo was a high-level CIA insider (Special Operations Advisor to the Director of Central Intelligence.) She also created the Remote Viewing Defense protocols for the Pentagon, which earned her a two-star general rank. She refers to her stars as a "ploy" so the Pentagon could get more of her time and have her attend monthly Joint Chiefs of Staff meetings. Only high-level personnel are invited; she was there from Oct. 2003 to July 2004.
One of her roles involved intelligence gathering on Iraq and Afghanistan; but in August 2004 she refused to spread propaganda about a non-existant Iranian nuclear weapons program and left. She followed others CIAs who resigned for similar reasons and became critics ( Ray McGovern, Ralph McGehee, and Phil Agee).
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Spadecaller1 year, 6 months ago
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Last month Arrigo sent extensive government corruption and cover-up data to Henry Waxman, Chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform committee - in 12 separate cases. The 12 cases are explosive and revealing but still just the tip of the iceberg. Members of Congress are scared. And, yet what they have ignored is even more frightening.
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jordan111 year, 6 months ago
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I think some members of Congress are afraid, but for themselves. I think the democratic leadership knew a great about the CONS unconstitutional dealings, and the democrats kept their mouths shut. An inquiry would bring that out. There is NO other reason for them to ignore the atrocities of this administration.
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donald511 year, 6 months ago
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...they kept their mouths shut or they were branded as traiters in all the media, yes, even the liberal media that Fox claims is everyone else but them! Look how the Bushies even went into the state of the man who stood up to them, Tom Daschle, and made sure he wasn't reelected!
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jordan111 year, 6 months ago
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My Senator voted against giving bush war powers, and against the Patriot bill. Perhaps the people of WA state are too smart for CONS that they didn't say a word about her? Whether they faced a backlash or not, what good are they if they don't do their jobs?
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Here is the full story to which you are referring Spade.
Exposing Pentagon and CIA Corruption
Politics â;; The Special Operations Advisor to the Director of Central Intelligence (DCI), who is also a two-star general, sent extensive government corruption and cover-up information to Henry Waxman, Chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform committee - in 12 separate cases.
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/06/12/...
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Scott, read Tehranchick's story "What's the vice president up to these days", politics channel, and you'll see why it's going to take so long. In fact read ALL the stories in Froomkin's 5-part series. Made me want to choke somebody's neck, and I am NOT a violent person at all.
Sorry, I don't know how to place a story link in my comment. If someone would PM me with instructions, I would be ever so grateful. :)
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bluetexasvalley1 year, 6 months ago
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Ah! Got it!
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/06/14/...
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simonsez1 year, 6 months ago
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The man has lived a distorted, self-absorbed, elitist life, even below the standards of Woody Allan.
He never spoke for the "common man" in his life-time, but in your zeal to bash Bush, you accept his storyline.
He is one of the most "forgettable" writers of the 20th century.
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I cannot agree more about the comments concerning the relationship of the media with this murderous administration. While I don't like looking at the end results of war, has anyone noticed that we never ever see the flag wrapped caskets of dead American solider's on the nightly news? I recall during the VietNam era the nightly news constantly showed the end result of what now is termed neo-con freedom fighting. To read the blogs of various right wingers almost makes me puke to think that some are so patriotic that they do not see the smoke of the towers for the truth that lie's behind them.
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donald511 year, 6 months ago
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Yes, more true un-Ameericans who like torture, preemptive war, Gitmo, evesdropping w/o a warrant... the fools who negged this article... always the same unprincipled idiots! Folks who assuredly would have supported Hitler too! I'm just amazed Jose isn't among them!
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miklkit1 year, 6 months ago
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Support links.
http://www.nightweed.com/usavotefacts.html
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334...
I used to have more, but had a computer crash.
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When all is said and done, Gore Vidal is right. What the Bush bunch and their enablers ( Congress and the hard core Republican 30% ) has done to the Ideal of American Democracy is mindboggling.
The real fear I have is that the rest of the World is going to unite some day and say "We ain't gonna take it any more"
Then will come the war that we will surely lose.
We won't suffer, but our Grandchildren and theirs might. Sooner or later some of our progeny will suffer and die for the things that we sat still for in our time of opportunity to effect change.
Of course we might just effect that change. We can. The only hope is that we do.
McCain is not the answer.
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Gore Vidal has about as much credibility on the subject of the future of America as does Ahmed Ahmadinejad, and Ahmadinejad probably knows a lot more about how Americans think than Vidal does, either.
These are risible comments, which lead one to ask, if we live in a "a dictatorship... ...a fascist government ...which controls the media", then why isn't Vidal in prison?
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I'm not worried about McCain, I'm worried about who Obama picks as his VP. Because he's (or she's) who'll be running the country, unfortunately.
Do you really think these nutcases will let another Kennedy clone into office? Let alone a 'black' one? Traitors to freedom will assassinate him within weeks of him taking the white house
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Your fears definitely are not without a foundation! I marvel at the bravery of Barack Obama to even WANT to help this country when it, unfortunately, houses so many diseased and deranged citizens who would gladly take out their hostilities on the very one who's willing and potentially able to make things better for them!
For that reason, I pray and I ask everyone to pray for God's protection upon the man and his family, because there are evil, hateful, wicked or irrationally fearful people out here who would not hesitate to do him and them harm, simply because of their ethnic makeup.
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Vidal, now 82, and a national treasure IMO, was asked in an interview that appears in today's NY Times Magazine, how he felt when William Buckley, with whom in the 60s he had famously tangled (once calling him the Marie Antoinette of American politics), died, replied,
"...hell is bound to be a livelier place, as he joins forever those he served in life, applauding their prejudices and fanning their hatred."
Too few today know how to deliver the sharp--and cleansing--slap.
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slate1 year, 6 months ago
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Just like the Great Depression, You remember that time in history, it will only take the Dems one really good/Just war to pull us out of this mess, and as with the Dems then, the largest NEW tax that will be touted as a short term thing that will never grow large.
Hell we survived Kennedy/Johnson and Vietnam, we survived Carter (as well as the Republicans).
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slate1 year, 6 months ago
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Neva fear though, Barack is on his way to save the day, he will turn this ship around in like 659 days, not anywhere close to 100 years.
Our dollar will be stronger than anytime in history
Our good name will be restored among even our enemies
Racism will be non-existent
The you will neva be afflicted with pimples again
Halitosis, obesity, ugliness, impotence, toe-jam, body funk.
A new, cheap, abundant replacement will be on line within weeks of his election
Every person on the planet will be rich, because they will not need money anymore, the government will provide according to their need.
By all means, let's vote for the future president that will replace Lincoln, Washington, Both Roosevelts, Clinton and Kennedy as the people's choice for the best president in history!
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Lincoln was a racist... he freed the slaves to remove ownership so that they could be sent back to Africa.
Both Roosevelts got us into a war
Clinton lived off of Reagans economy plan
and Kennedy gave us the Vietnam war.
Lookup any quality history source, that is where I get my information.
McCains 30 years in the Senate... anything special come out of that?
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donald511 year, 6 months ago
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History has documented well that JFK was going to pull us out of Veitnam. Lincoln had a cabinet filled with people from the other party (Johnson was almost impeached for trying to fire one by the then Repug Congress)... and to say that the Gettysburg Address is the product of a racist is really rewriting history... typical of Faux Fox facts! Repugs, just can't separate their racist beliefs from their racist actions!
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Mdiar1 year, 6 months ago
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Lincoln was a racist. The Civil War wasn't about freeing the slaves, because the Emancipation Proclamation only freed the slaves in the states rebelling. Missouri, West Virginia, Kentucky and Maryland were exempt from it. Lincoln actually stomped all over the Constitution during that war. We forgive him of it today, but there was some truth to calling him a "tyrant". The Civil War was a war based around keeping the southern states as part of the union. Remember the whole "united we stand, divided we fall" thing? The ideas of that were really born in the Civil War. Lincoln had no agenda to free the slaves the we know of and the South's secession was based on the fear that he would because the overall agenda of the Republicans was freeing the slaves through non-violent means. Lincoln was probably a racist. To say he wasn't denies the time period in which he lived... TR was a racist as well. Check his writings out.
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typical of Faux Fox facts?
Donnie why do I always scratch me head after I read your drivel?
Fox nwes ain't here,,,,, I didn't call Lincoln a racist, but the war was about the north forcing it's will on the south,,,,, emacipation was more of an afterthought from what I've read.
Did you get JFK pulling out of Nam from your decoder ring?
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slate1 year, 6 months ago
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think for the hundreds of thousands who are dead because of the Bush/Cheney illegal intervention and occupation it will take longer than 100 years
Put a bit of blame on congress,,,,, don't let them get away with the 'he lied' they use. Congress had the documents in front of them,,,,,, they had the right to vote no,,,,,
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...and be further bombasted by the Bushies as being unpatriotic and wanting the terrorists to win! Look how well the Repugs took care of Tom Dashle for standing up to Dumya! Kofi called Dumya a war criminal and was accused of his son's ills. Joe Wilson's wife became open game to discredit the truth. Shinsheki told Congress it would take 300,000 to occupy and he was outed! Bush firing the former head of the US Civil Rights Commision for finding Repug illegalities in the 2000 Florida election. Dumya fired his financial advisor for telling him the war woud cost 200 billion. So many examples of Bush evil to gain evil power! So, hypocrite... such are the makings of fascism!
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Mdiar1 year, 6 months ago
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Eh? So they were afraid of looking bad? That excuses them from making the right choice? So the Republicans weren't afraid of looking bad, they are evil villains that must be punished? Odd, two different people may do the same thing (Dems and Republicans in the Senate, in different numbers of course) and yet you excuse one but not the other. Look at how the only Republicans who stood up against the war were treated. That completely justifies the "Bushies would bombast us as unpatriotic" excuse for them as well. Or, you could just stop accepting excuses for foolish behavior on this level and stop defending a fairly indefensible position with the Dems who voted for this idiocy. (indefensible if you attack Republicans for the same behavior, at least)
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Not so much. I gotta go soon. I mean what is the different between a Republican, who read the same intelligence report the Senate did, and a Democrat (who read the same report) that voted for the war? What makes one worse then the other? They both showed errors in judgment and both need to go. Having a "D" by your name doesn't excuse you from crap. Both, as donald so kindly pointed out, had the same stuff to lose by going against Bush. Not only that, but a constituency who would be more likely to believe the GOP line then the Dems would so going against Bush makes them more likely to be ostracized. I don't care what party affiliation someone has. They both made the same mistake with no excuse. Vote them both out. No excuses, no palatable reasons. You can't know what they think, you don't know they didn't have these delusions because they are a Dem. Its not logic to say "They are a Dem, so they had purer reasons". That's actually bigotry.
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Mdiar1 year, 6 months ago
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I'll put it like this:
Say a vote on abortion (I know it won't happen) comes before Congress. A Republican votes yes and a Dem votes yes. Yet a Republican uses the excuse for the Republican that its a growth of governmental power to excuse them and then claims the Dem likes killing babies. That's the equivalent of what Dems do to Republicans who voted for war, yet excuse the Dems who voted for it. I consider that bigotry, basically stating "you are this, so your motivations cannot be this". Maybe I see it because I'm not with either party, I'm far left and very libertarian.
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slate1 year, 6 months ago
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LOL Obama is a grown man,,,, I will credit him with being able to potty by himself,,,,, the point was, in my opinion, there are many that give him way more credit than he has actually earned...... I don't like either McCain or Obama but I dislike McCain less,,,,, it's an opinion,,,, I own it,,,, and I own the vote I will casr for whomever has convinced me they deserve it,,,, sorta like what you are doing.
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cushi1 year, 6 months ago
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I know Slate was being sarcastic, but I agree with Tango57 and gave him a "pos" anyway. No one will be able to turn it around over night, and we all know that, but I think Obama WILL make an ernest effort and make strides toward it, as best he can considering he will have to fight the retards a.k.a. neocons tooth and nail all the way.
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VivaLaVida081 year, 6 months ago
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Your enemy is in the last place you expect to look, within.
The greatest trick he's pulled was convincing the world that WE weren't the WMD.
If you were given access to spend or borrow any amount of money for anything you wanted with no consequence or little to no reality based resistance what would you do?
Oh yeah how's that 150 million dollar loan from China, oops I mean the stimulus check holding up, saved it? Or spent it on $4.55 gallon gas?
Just thoughts to ponder...hmmm
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VivaLaVida081 year, 6 months ago
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Your enemy is in the last place you expect to look, within.
The greatest trick he's pulled was convincing the world that WE weren't the WMD.
If you were given access to spend or borrow any amount of money for anything you wanted with no consequence or little to no reality based resistance what would you do?
Oh yeah how's that 150 million dollar loan from China, oops I mean the stimulus check holding up, saved it? Or spent it on $4.55 gallon gas?
Just thoughts to ponder...hmmm
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VivaLaVida081 year, 6 months ago
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Your enemy is in the last place you expect to look, within.
The greatest trick he's pulled was convincing the world that WE weren't the WMD.
If you were given access to spend or borrow any amount of money for anything you wanted with no consequence or little to no reality based resistance what would you do?
Oh yeah how's that 150 million dollar loan from China, oops I mean the stimulus check holding up, saved it? Or spent it on $4.55 gallon gas?
Just thoughts to ponder...hmmm
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