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Posted By berkeley 1 year, 6 months ago in NewsIn Old Europe, they've moved on, assuming that the American president has done all the damage that he can do. The blazing hostility toward W. has faded to indifference and a sort of fatigued perplexity about how les imbeciles de regime cowboy got into office, and how America could have put the world through all this craziness.
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hdthehn1 year, 6 months ago
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You would think the leader of this nation would have a shread of decency and regret all those murdered due to his incompetence in protecting this nation on 911 and for all the innocent people murdered in an ill conceived and incompetently prosecuted war of aggression against Iraq.
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hyperbola1 year, 6 months ago
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There doesn't seem to be much hope of reversing the bush type politics in 2009. Those of you who think Obama represents change had better get ready to hold his feet to the fire if you want any changes.
The 2008 Elections - Of Whales and Worms
Politics â;; How can the same Democratic Party, and same specific individuals, who have co-operated in, permitted and/or legalized the Bush regime's atrocities - now tell us that the candidate that they endorse is the solution to the horrid things that this system and these individuals have themselves facilitated and colluded in?
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/06/16/...
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hyperbola1 year, 6 months ago
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Obama and the Fall Into Tyranny
Politics â;; Where is the hope when Obama endorses a foreign policy that benefits only Israeli territorial expansion and an economic policy that benefits only multimillionaires and billionaires? As bad as Obama is on important issues, his election will signal rejection of the tyranny to which the Republicans are committed.
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/06/16/...
Democratic Zionists try to involve US in Lebanon War
Politics â;; Democratic Zionists in the House of Representatives have sponsored resolutions likely to involve the US in war in Lebanon.
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/06/15/...
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hyperbola1 year, 6 months ago
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Obama And McCain: Two Sides Of The Same Coin
Politics â;; The Democratic Party is about as much an "opposition party" as Eli Lilly is to Searle. They are just different brands of the same product. The product is the "Military Corporate Industrial Complex" that owns America, owns the media, owns the banking system and owns just about every main-stream politician in this whole damn country.
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/06/14/...
Obama's Chicago Boys
Money â;; Obama has appointed "Chicago Boys" who support neo-liberal economic policies as his economic advisers. Now is the time to worry about their commitment to fending off serious attempts at regulation. Before Obama can purge Washington of the scourge of Friedmanism, he has some ideological housecleaning of his own to do.
http://money.propeller.com/story/2008/06/14/oba...
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mesodude1 year, 6 months ago
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"There doesn't seem to be much hope of reversing the bush type politics in 2009. Those of you who think Obama represents change had better get ready to hold his feet to the fire if you want any changes."
--There's hope if people think for themselves and understand that being a responsible citizen involves more than just showing up at the ballot box and choosing a "leader" or simply sitting back while holding their President's feet to the fire. I'm sick of hearing the right wing noise machine mischaracterize Obama supporters as if we're all love-struck teen girls looking for him to be some superhero who will not just save our world but *be* our world. Whoever wins in Nov will have a helluva mess to clean up and it's unrealistic to think they won't need our help.
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gamahuche1 year, 6 months ago
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In Old Europe, they've moved on, assuming that the American president has done all the damage that he can do. The blazing hostility toward W. has faded to indifference and a sort of fatigued perplexity about how les imbeciles de regime cowboy got into office, and how America could have put the world through all this craziness.
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What is IMPOSSIBLE to conceive of here is that the US could even begin to imagine another one from the same team. Like a football team that has been relegated to a lower division would hire another coach who only believed in the same strategy.
Most Europeans do have a fondness for the US be it based on Westerns or jazz or that the US wartime liberators brought cigarettes instead of stealing watches - and went home again afterwards.
But this lowbrow oafishness that the current incumbent seems to imagine is cute or charming doesn't impress anybody on this side of the water. Anybody at all.
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Justice4All1 year, 6 months ago
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I'm not sure which side of the water you are referring to but W's popularity in the US is about the same as in France. The only difference is the French saw through him a few years earlier.
I do have one request from the Europeans and that is that they stop referring to Bush as a "cowboy". He is not a cowboy. I have many friends who are cowboys and was probably considered one myself 30 years ago. Cowboys are generally hard working honest people. They tell the truth and help people in need. Bush is a spoiled rich kid who thinks living on a ranch is a fun thing to do. Everything he has was handed to him. So please, stop insulting cowboys by referring to Bush as one.
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gamahuche1 year, 6 months ago
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O.K. Alright already!
It was Maureen Dowd who used the word cowboy - but I think that her phrase "regime de cowboy" probably did include the concept that he was "playing" cowboy.Clearing brush for photo-ops. Now are there any pictures anywhere of him in a horse.
As a long-term resident of MT I can state that the cowboys there took a long swaggering step towards the everyday world when they started smoking dope. Before that it could be an extremely dis-jointing experience to step into the Long-Branch Saloon in mistake for the the adjacent Wrangler, especially if you were a longhair and could be taken for a city dweller.
As a COMPLETE outsider I usually got a grudging pass but that changed into something more respectful after I helped some wranglers to survive after they got caught in some bad weather up the gulch where I hung my hat. A Mexican sombrero that was..
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Teech1 year, 6 months ago
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"In Old Europe, they've moved on, assuming that the American president has done all the damage that he can do. The blazing hostility toward W. has faded to indifference and a sort of fatigued perplexity...."
First, Europeans would be wise to recall the old American addage that "assumption is the mother of all f*ck ups." Bush's ability to cause an international disaster is still unlimited. He has put our nation at the bottom of a deep, deep hole and he's still digging furiously. He isn't gone to South America to his war criminal refuge yet! Bush's propensity for chaos, death, and destruction in the name of God and patriotism is unbridled.
As far as the "blazing hostility" having faded. No way! The hatred harbored for this despicable president is merely being restrained by civilized folk since they realize that all they can do is vote in November against all that he stands for. McCain has made it quite clear that he means 4 more years of the same.
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cleare1 year, 6 months ago
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there's another difference between the french and us...wish i could take credit for it but i heard it somewhere..."The difference between the French and the Americans is that in France the government is afraid of the people and in America the people are afraid of the government". or something like that.
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dunkirk1 year, 6 months ago
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LOL, I can understanad your cncern over Bush being called a cowboy however when Maureen Dowd coined that phrase I believe it was in a tone of sarcasm referring to the fact that Dumya was about aqs far away from hard working and honest as you can get. Sarcasm is often lost on here
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Justice4All1 year, 6 months ago
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W and to some extent the US in general are not as important to the rest of the world anymore.
The biggest concern the world has about Bush is that the devastating effect he has had on the US economy will have a negative effect on the world economy.
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vor1 year, 6 months ago
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Ironic that Cheney, who drove the idealogy behind the foreign policy of this administration, created the "Project For a New American Century" (PNAC) in the 90's to ensure just the opposite. Their mission statement: to ensure American world dominance through the 21st Century. Yet in just over 6 short years they have managed to move up the timetable for Eastern world dominance up about 50 years. And what do they have to show for this? Iraq? Afghanistan? We are still paying for Iraqi oil while we babysit their country and continue to pile up record debt. Much of it to the East.
Bush was the neocons dupe, their everyman, the candidate that Turd Blossom could get elected. He knows little more of the world today than he did 7 years ago. He was always a lightweight on world affairs. His legacy will be the badly damaged nation he hands over to his replacement. Perhaps if we do indeed live in a Big Brother world in the future he will be resurrected. That is his only hope.
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Leemck021 year, 6 months ago
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V.O.R. it would take Cheney to contrive a "dominance" plan. This Con bunch cannot understand "leadership" has responsibility to the planet, not just family and friends, as the most developed economy; they missed the point totally. Thanks to 'W', Cheney and Rumsfield, their actions may correct the matter of this nation being most developed economy, and the military may follow accordingly. They couldn't resist trying to hedge for control, Jim Crow on the world; taking without sharing, sharecroppers. We didn't lead with diligence and prudence befitting the honor. No Solomon here, though we have King George, or at least a Decider; if we don't change, we lose top leadership positions in the world.
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tanglang1 year, 6 months ago
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"Impeach, try, convict, and hold them to the same letter of the law bush used as governor."
Do they not get a fair trial? You have said basically the same thing rightfromwrong said. That they should be killed. You, him and 14 other non-Americans just advocated the murder of the President and Vice President! The fact is, you cannot impeach them without evidence of wrongdoing. Congress just said that the evidence was not there. You cannot put them on trial without evidence of a crime. The House just voted and the evidence is not there. You Damn sure cannot convict or sentence someone unless you are on the jury.
What makes you think that a jury would find them guilty of any wrongdoing? And don't give me the "I just know" bs. Alot of people "Just Knew" that OJ was guilty.
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Candida1 year, 6 months ago
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tanglang: "What makes you think that a jury would find them guilty of any wrongdoing? And don't give me the "I just know" bs. Alot of people "Just Knew" that OJ was guilty."
Haven't you just argued the opposite in the thread about Gitmo detainees?
Still, I agree with you that even they deserve a fair trial. ProudBlueTexan could have phrased it as "Impeach, try, convict if found guilty, and hold them to the same letter of the law bush used as governor." Although, saying that they should be held to the same letter of the law as Bush used as governor implies that they would get a fair trial, doesn't it? I assume he applied the letter of the law in a fair and unbiased manner, which means that only those were convicted who had been found guilty.
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tanglang1 year, 6 months ago
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Yes. The difference is that Gitmo detainees are pows captured from battle fields or in their house which were filled with ieds and guns. They are not Americans and should not be given the rights of Americans.
"Although, saying that they should be held to the same letter of the law as Bush used as governor implies that they would get a fair trial, doesn't it?"
No. You and I both know what she meant. Had she said that without the "try, convict" before it you would be correct. However, her owns words prove you wrong.
I would like to thank you for not voting for these horrible comments that I responded to. It shows that you at least have a brain.
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Candida1 year, 6 months ago
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The law applies to everybody, not just US citizens. The detainees were classified by the administration as not POWs, so they have to be treated as criminals.
I couldn't vote for the comments because I'm against killing, even when it's state sanctioned. I'm in favor of their trial though.
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slate1 year, 6 months ago
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Alret Alert! This is not a defense post for GW Bush!
Other than maybe Nixon, which president has ever said they regret what they did in office; Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Johnson, Ford or Kennedy?
Kennedy almost blew up the planet with his knuckleheaded handing of Russia for God's sake and you worship him.
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slate1 year, 6 months ago
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If the story said Bush Regrets everything he has done in office, you same people would still be here saying the same thing. As well as some knuckle dragging putz saying something about torturing the Pres. And VP and leaving them for dead in Iraq.
Change is coming, roles will reverse, I hope your memory is good enough to understand the things that will be said about the guy you are going to vote for in the future. You've built him up to superhero status anything les than that will be thoroughly railed against by the right.
The electro microscope will now begin to focus on the Democrats, now that they will have all branches in hand. You damn well better hope they do as well as you claim they will. Not just 'anyone's better than Bush' but like someone said on another thread, if Obama isn't elected it's the end of Da world good.
Good luck with that standard,,,,,,, well have ASTM come in and keep an eye on yas.
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gamahuche1 year, 6 months ago
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I'll second that Slate.
Half of the real problem is that far too much of the "action" is 30 second sound-bites, cheerleading, slogans and hype. Just this morning I saw a clip of an Obama rally with an insane density of those CHANGE banners and it made me feel like throwing up. HOWEVER, when I first saw them - in NH - and heard his speech I told my gf that it was all over, a shoe-in, and placed a very hefty wager on the final outcome at very generous odds.
So how about inventing a new campaign model where the cheering crowds thing only has to be done once and the rest is done on video? People can dose themselves to the level that they want and then spend the rest of the time seriously studying the manifestos.
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dissent1 year, 6 months ago
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"but like someone said on another thread, if Obama isn't elected it's the end of Da world"
now slatey, you know that was me. here's some elementary math for ya. Add 8 years of war, saber rattling, threats and global instability to a mr mcgoo in the oval office who promises more of the same and what kind of future have we got? i rest my case
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wtagg1 year, 6 months ago
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What has put this country into a state where such rhetoric is so easily embraced? This is becoming very common in the last couple of decades. It is sad when this type of worship (on both sides) overshadows common sense.
I look to the media as the focal point. Left, right, center, all of it. The talk of impartiality, fair and balanced, only the news fit to print, etc... but the election process is like their christmas season. They do not want to change how the process works and as this election season has been the perfect example, stirring up controversy, extending the process, etc... only helps their cause, selling time.
If we want real change in government and the election process, I think something needs to change with how the media has seemingly hijacked the election process.
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Candida1 year, 6 months ago
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I'm not convinced that it's the media's fault. I agree that the election coverage is their Christmas, but look at the election process itself.
Does it really need to last almost two years? Does it really need to cost half a billion dollars? I doubt that the media determines that the primaries need to last half a year with the fund raisers another half a year beforehand.
Why can't all the primaries be held on the same day? This process probably made some sense when the candidates traveled on horse and buggy and needed to visit all the small towns to introduce themselves to the people. Does it still make sense at the time of mass and instantaneous communication across the globe? I don't think so.
The US should perhaps enter the 21st century. That way, you could potentially have more choice, and money perhaps wouldn't be such a strong determining factor.
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Mdiar1 year, 6 months ago
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A certain degree of logic exists in the US system and the British parliamentary system. Both can learn alot from one another. Part of the reason the US primary system remains drawn out is to give candidates like Paul and Kucinich free media exposure. Another reason is for a candidate like Obama... he'd have not been getting the numbers he was after Iowa. I think Iowa proved something... the idea of racism is very much alive in America. Its actual effect in real numbers, however, is very much negligible. That "idea" that a white person won't vote for a black one in the US was thoroughly debunked with Iowa and, because of this, people who thought he had no chance and would of selected the second favorite chose Obama instead. That's one very good reason to have not do it all on one day. Here is, I think, a compromise for this:
Month lag between each series of voting. First states to vote are the bellwethers. Second are the big ones. Last are the little ones.
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mesodude1 year, 6 months ago
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"You've built him up to superhero status anything les than that will be thoroughly railed against by the right."
--Why do you talk about Obama as if you have no clue that the exact same argument can be made against you cons regarding your worship of Bush? Are your really that blind to your own hypocrisy, slater?
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Candida1 year, 6 months ago
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slate1 year, 6 months ago
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Messed,,, how can he be a super hero? We talk about his flaws all the time,,,,,, something you can seem to do with Super Obama,,,,, Mr' Atlas with the weight of the planet's survival on his shoulders' will he sigh? Will the weight crush him to powder?
Could he lead as Bush did in the early days after 9/11? You know, when you liked him before you despised him?
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Candida1 year, 6 months ago
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slate: "You guys weren't even a wee little bit inspired by Bush in the days just after 9/11?"
When exactly do you mean? As he sat speechless for minutes with a bunch of elementary school children, or as he immediately started to plan the war on Iraq, or as he swore to get Osama dead or alive, or as he threatened the world with mushroom clouds, or when he said that you are either with us or against us, or as he failed to do anything about the anthrax attacks, or when?
No, I wasn't inspired by him, nor by Ambassador Cellucci who was trying to spread fear in Canada by announcing the likely terrorist targets in Canada, one of them being the Toronto island ferry. As if terrorist were all completely irrational or insane.
I'm afraid, many of the 10% who disapproved President Bush's actions even in the early days are, indeed, here on Propeller.
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Candida1 year, 6 months ago
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Take a look at him. Do you find him inspiring?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WztB6HzXxI&feat...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ro3o-ld0CWw&feat...
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slate1 year, 6 months ago
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Bush has "inspired" in me nausea, revulsion, and shame like I've never felt about my country before and hope never to feel again.
So,,, after even a few hrs after the planes hit you began your devious mind to balme Bush didn't you Mess?
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cushi1 year, 6 months ago
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The first thing I noticed about Bush is his semi-vacate, maniacal expression! I remember him saying that he had looked into Vladimir Putin's eyes and somehow decided they were going to be bosom buddies! Well, I looked at his eyes and thought, he has eyes like Charles Manson!
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cushi1 year, 6 months ago
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I'm glad you said Mesodude liked him, not that you aren't making an assumption there, but I can uncategorically say that I've instinctively never liked him, and he's proved my perceptions right! It felt like the end of the world as I knew it when he assumed the presidency. I even said as much to my family. I experienced an immediate feeling of foreboding and impending gloom. A family member tried to comfort me by reminding me that God is in control, but I thought to me, yes, He is, but this may be His form of chastisement, allowing a creep like GW to become president.
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rightfromwrong1 year, 6 months ago
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Kennedy was at least a hero and not a coward like Bush. Kennedy died because he was against the Bilderbergs and secret societies. You must be one of those that think both the JFK and RFK died by the same bullet. Start to do some reading slate before you open your big mouth
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slate1 year, 6 months ago
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The Kennedy's died because they dared to stand up to the mob,,or his VP had him killed,, being shot doesn't make you an instant hero does it? If Bush were shot would he be one as well?
LOL JFK and RFK died by the same bullet flying around for a few years? And you try to tell me to read before saying something?
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dunkirk1 year, 6 months ago
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No she embraced that. It goes with the 20% mentality, if Bush said we needed to sacrifice our first borns (well he actually has with his wars) Klarissa and the other 20%ers would be on here defending it and saying what a wonderful idea it is.
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wtagg1 year, 6 months ago
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I guess I measure by success. He kept atomic weapons out of Cuba. It is hard for me to view that as a bad thing.
Do you think there was a possible solution without the threat? If so, what would have persuaded the Russians and Khrushchev to abandon the project?
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Tangent0011 year, 6 months ago
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What I never really understood about the Cuban Missile Crisis and the US response is why we had our panties in such a bunch over Soviet nukes parked on our doorstep when we had our own nukes parked on the USSR's doorstep.
It was an unnecessary escalation that, for the actions of one Vasiliy Arkipov, may well have resulted in an all-out exchange.
Few people know how close we actually got to annihilation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasiliy_Arkhipov
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hyperbola1 year, 6 months ago
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Just look at what we try to do to Iran right now when they are accused (wihtout any real evidence) of committing the same crimes (enriching uranium, nuclear bombs) that we have been carrying out for decades.
"Patriotism" can, unfortuately, be used to excuse all kinds of crimnal actions. We are now so inured to our crimes that most of them are not even noticed by most americans.
Britain and US 'complicit in war crimes by Ethiopian military'
Do No Evil â;; The British and US governments are complicit in war crimes and crimes against humanity committed by the Ethiopian army in the Ogaden region of the Horn of Africa accoreding to Human Rights Watch.
http://donoevil.propeller.com/story/2008/06/14/...
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Leemck021 year, 6 months ago
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Slate, Clinton was very public in admitting his error for not handling the genocide issues. It was a few more that he could have confessed to but considering he did leave a surplus when he came in to a horrible economy, resolved war threats, etc., then he could get a pass. Regan did leave trying to put out the Contra - dope for guns scandal, which he and Bush denied to the end. LBJ did get his new society working even if he blew Viet Nam and did have the good grace not to seek reelection, so he can get a pass. Ford & Carter, they did good and bad, the pardon on Ford and the mishandling of the Iranian Crisis but these men did not make the Presidency a friends and family revenue/profit stream. FEMA worked extremely well under Carter, he can get a pass. Ford didn't rock the world, no pass is necessary. But 'W', wow and you compare JFK to 'W'? Les we forget! YGTBSM!
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Will13131 year, 6 months ago
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Kennedy almost blew up the planet with his knuckleheaded handing of Russia for God's sake and you worship him.
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are you saying that Kennedy .. should have been and APPEASER.... ??
seems that it turned out pretty good.. without anyone getting killed over it.. except Kennedy..
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mesodude1 year, 6 months ago
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slate, of course you're defending him because you'd never go out of your way to rebut a similar post about Clinton and we both know it so please stop. Anyway, the main problem with your argument is that Bush is unpopular for MANY reasons other than his foreign policy blunders. In a side by side comparision to almost all previous Presidents that I can think of, Bush's failure and incompetence are unparalleled. This man is disaster personified.
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hdthehn1 year, 6 months ago
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Slate-
"Kennedy almost blew up the planet with his knuckleheaded handing of Russia for God's sake and you worship him"
Take some advice from your compassionate conservative hero Supreme Court Justice Scalia "Get over it. It's so old by now."
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/24/scalia-on-b...
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FSU92grad1 year, 6 months ago
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Great....Another thread for stupid libs to pi$$ and moan about Bush...Same old, Same old...
Yes the economy is bad, but I still believe it is because of the outsourcing of oil, cars and many other products...We're helping their economy, but hurting ours...We've become a society of "paper"....We don't make or produce anything here in the US...We're a country of consumption...
Is that Bush's fault? I dunno...I think Clinton is partly to blame as well by not signing the bill to drill in ANWR back in '95....If he had done that, the price of oil would have been much lower today...THat would have bought us some time to come up with alternative fuel sources like nuclear, but 13 years later we still have the same stupid Democraps voting the same way, which is handcuffing our society...We still rely on foreign oil and it's going to be many decades before we can find and mass produce alternative fuel sources to supply our energy needs...
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Goppy1 year, 6 months ago
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Dont you mean that some stupid Democraps and some DELUSIONAL* Repubs keep makin the argument against conservation that much more difficult for us Fruitcake Conservatives?
*I corrected you there. I hope you dont mind. But even I, a gradyate of the College of Creationism knows how to spell Delusional. I guess the standards at FSU are about as low as our Christian Conservative patriotism.
Why do I refer to our patriotism? Because, we continue to support massive oil/gas consumption. Even though, by increasing our collective mpg by just 2 mpg, it would total all the oil/gas in ANWR.
But we Christian Conservatives HATE helpin America! We HATE it! We would rather help the Saudis and Venezuela!
Why? Because then, when they attack us or spout Socialistic bombast liek Chavez, we Conservatives can look liek stoopid fools as we drive our 16 mpg SUVs.
Yes ... there is no bout a doubt it ... we Conservatives LOVE bein irrational ... liek FSU.
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dunkirk1 year, 6 months ago
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Well McDonalds Frosty Shake University guy has returned and as insightful as ever. yeah we have a finite resource and the solution is to use it faster not to seek alternativews that are sustainable. Decimate the planet and let someone else worry about. Oh wait I keep forgetting that is the platform of the REPUBLICANS, Let Someone Else Worry About it.
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Goppy1 year, 6 months ago
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HOW DARE YOU!!
LETS BE FAIR ... IF YOU DARE...
FSU made fun of the College of Creationism FIRST.
Dunkirk simply pointed this out ... as well as helpin FSU understand that simply because he caint spell ... as he proclaims his FSU pedigree ... he shouldnt reject help from any quarter ... douchebag.
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wtagg1 year, 6 months ago
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ANWR would replace about 20-25% of our current foreign dependency and take about 10-15 years to reach that peak production. The world of hurt would still continue.
I would approve of drilling on taxpayer property if the taxpayers receive 50% of all profits generated. I doubt if the oil companies would approve. They want to drill on their terms.
The US could drill and produce as a national entity. The oil produced could go toward to military use.
The real issue is the status quo good enough for our energy policy? Is that the best this country can do? The reason we blew the chance for change in the 70's was for this very reason. Alaska oil would remove the majority of our dependence on foreign oil. Reflecting upon that, has it achieved its goal?
This country needs to lead in new directions, not follow in the old.
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FSU92grad1 year, 6 months ago
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wtagg,
Again...Some good points...However, if Clinton would have signed the bill back in 95 to allow drilling in ANWR when again he had the chance, that was 13 years ago, we wouldn't be in such a pickly today....AGain, for my liberal friends, I'm not implying that we rely on Domestic oil or coal to oil technology SOLELY by itself, but it might have bought us some time to get some nuclear energy back into this country....If the hippy, tree-lovin, enviromentalist would have let this thing go through, the US wouldn't be sitting in a situation where we have no real valid solutions other than bitch and moan that all people should drive hybrids...That's their solution...They complain about nothing being done, but the solutions are there, they're just not to THEIR liking, so many people are having to suffer because the caribou and polor bears should come first....
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mesodude1 year, 6 months ago
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"Again...Some good points...However, if Clinton would have signed the bill back in 95 to allow drilling in ANWR when again he had the chance, that was 13 years ago, we wouldn't be in such a pickly today...."
--You don't know this for a fact and you don't know that that is the only thing we could've have done 13 years ago that would have kept us out of the current situation. You can't possibly be so stupid as to think that increasing the supply alone would be some panacea. You people CANNOT PROVE THIS so I wish you would stop regurgitating this CRAP.
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FSU92grad1 year, 6 months ago
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Just like YOU don't know for a fact, mesodukey, that drilling in ANWR would hurt the enviroment or kill off all the Caribou, but yet you and others like you continue to tie our balls around our foreheads and continue to force us to rely on foreign supply simply because of a hunch...
hunch? Yes...You bet...Yet another one from the righteous left...You wanna talk about another one, global warming, perhaps ?
I've got all night, butterfly dude...
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mesodude1 year, 6 months ago
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"Just like YOU don't know for a fact, mesodukey, that drilling in ANWR would hurt the enviroment or kill off all the Caribou, but yet you and others like you continue to tie our balls around our foreheads and continue to force us to rely on foreign supply simply because of a hunch..."
--You're not being reasonable or logical. Stop and think for a moment. Say you're right and I don't know for sure that the environment will be damaged. Why even risk doing irreparable harm to the environment for a payoff that's not guaranteed and which is only one variable among many influencing the price of oil?
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FSU92grad1 year, 6 months ago
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Because the risk would be worth it...It IS guaranteed...If there is oil in our ground than we need to tap into it whether it be off shore or up in Alaska...Any oil supply, and I mean, ANY would benefit us immensely...Mesodude, I am totally open to any new ideas, but this constant "we need alternative energy fuels..." is getting done to death...Even if we could use wind power, ethanol and other types of alternative sources, if would require years or mass production and acres of land to grow these new "fuel sources" ...We don't have another 20 years, Mesodude...Fuel prices are going up and up, food prices are up...Just about every industry that we have here in America consists of some form of oil consumption...It's not pretty but again it's the cards we've been dealt and a lot of it is bad decisions from our elected officials...Nuclear Power should have replaced oil or at least 50% of our energy needs by now...
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FSU92grad1 year, 6 months ago
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Instead, we're all forgoing date nights with our wives or taking that long trip to see grandma because we can't afford the gas to do so...Or how about some mom's having to go back to work because with the soaring price of gasoline, they can no longer afford to have mom stay at home with the kids...How is that helping our society, mesodude? As I have explained already, drilling for oil in ANWR can be done extremely safely without very little risk to the tundra and surrounding wildlife...With so very little risk involved but perhaps BIG PAYOFFS for us Americans at the pump...I'd say it's a good risk to take...
There's a risk to anything you do in life, mesodude...You have to look at it as if there potentially more benefit to doing this than risk and I believe the answer is a resounding "YES!"...But, there's a risk if we drill and there's a definite risk if you don't...So, how do you choose, Mesodude? Because right now, the enviromenatlist have chosen for us all...
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"Instead, we're all forgoing date nights with our wives or taking that long trip to see grandma because we can't afford the gas to do so..."
--Boo hoo...It hurts to pay $4 a gallon for gas but you seem to forget that several thousand Americans have scrapped vacations and movie nights with their loved ones. Permanently. Paying $4 bucks per gallon and spending time with your family at home instead of going out to spend 100 bucks on dinner and a movie isn't sacrifice. And your emphasis on drilling for oil tells me that you're inflexible and have a one track mind. We're not drilling dammit. You voted for the oil magnates who brought you incompetence and corruption for 8 years in a row and as you sow so shall you reap. I repeat, supply and demand ALONE aren't the cause of extortionist oil prices and simply increasing supply won't fix the problem so please STOP with that warped line of thinking.
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FSU92grad1 year, 6 months ago
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"I repeat, supply and demand ALONE aren't the cause of extortionist oil prices and simply increasing supply won't fix the problem so please STOP with that warped line of thinking."
you do not know that for sure, just like you do not know for sure if the Caribou and surrounding wildlife will be hurt in the process...You're talking at your a$$ again...Put down the liberal rags like the NY Times and actually put some time and effort in this...You're telling me to think and be reasonable, you need to do the same..
Mesodude, are you rich are something ? Because it sounds like you don't mind spending 4 bucks a gallon...Maybe it's a drop in the hat to you, but I'm sorry...If moms have to go back to work instead of raising our kids (if they choose to do so) then how is that not some sort of sacrifice ?
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--We're going in circles now. You don't know this for a fact (that increasing supply will have the desired effect) so how can you insist it's worth the risk?
-How will an unspecified increase in supply help us if we're disproportionate consumers of oil relative to what we produce and if what we potentially produce would only offset our consumption marginally?
We (the GOP, in particular) pay lip service to supporting alternative fuel technology but that's it. You give subsidies to Big Oil and you block funding for alternative fuel research and development or fund it in dribs and drabs. If you are genuninely "totally open to any new ideas" then put your money where your mouths are and get "totally" behind it and stop throwing roadblocks in the way. Stop dragging your feet and act as if you genuinely believe oil isn't gonna be here tomorrow. Back up what you say you're going to do with action.
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FSU92grad1 year, 6 months ago
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"Back up what you say you're going to do with action"
You do the same, my friend....Stop bitching and moaning about new alternative fuel sources and do something about it today...
My whole arguement is NOT to rely soley on off shore drilling and drilling up in Alaska, but giving Americans a break at the pump, while we put these things into play...I still believe what Clinton did in '95 hurt us by blocking safe drilling in ANWR, we could have found or have produced the "alternative fuel sources" by now such as Nuclear...
And correct me if I'm wrong but I think it was the Democraps and the hippy enviromentalist like yourself that are responsible for blocking alternative methods of energy like Nuclear...It's also BAD for the enviroment ! So, cry me a river, mesodukey...We're in this pickle because of you a-holes....Not the conservatives...
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Tangent0011 year, 6 months ago
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Opening ANWAR to drilling would have kept the US out of this situation? That's ridiculous. At maximum production, ANWAR MIGHT provide maybe 2% of US oil consumption IF we could even be assured that it wouldn't be exported!
That's right exported! According to a March 2008 DOE report, the US EXPORTS about 29,000 barrels per day from Alaska's Cook Inlet and North Slope.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/da...
Oh, hey, guess which party most recently held a majority in Congress AND held the White House for 6 years. Yet somehow this is all 'democraps' and Clinton's fault? Give me a break!
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mesodude1 year, 6 months ago
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"Oh, hey, guess which party most recently held a majority in Congress AND held the White House for 6 years. Yet somehow this is all 'democraps' and Clinton's fault? Give me a break!"
--LOL... I'm so loving watching cons lie, spin, and prance in panic trying to deny that Republicans in Congress sat back on their @sses for SIX WHOLE YEARS with no energy policy whatsoever and allowed Bush and Cheney to screw us over. We keep hearing that Pelosi hasn't kept this promise or that promise but they can't point to one single thing the GOP accomplished that benefited anyone except themselves. I don't know how these people can even look at themselves in the mirror after re-electing an abject failure of a President in 2004. Cons aided and abetted Republican criminals in the White House and Congress and now they're trying to lie and pin it all on the Democratic Party. Con delusion is priceless.
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FSU92grad1 year, 6 months ago
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naw...just to trying to play "equal politics"...I believe it wasn't BUSH and ONLY BUSH's fault like you libs do...
Wait, are you gonna tell me that other lefty-lie about Bush tampering with the evidence to send our troops into harm's way? What other types of rabbit's are you going pull out of your hat, mesodukey ?
Wait here's one..."BUSH LIED, PEOPLE DIED !!!"...That one has always been my fav...Any more you can rummage off of the NY Times, CNN or SCARE America ?
You're the delusional one, mesodukey...Especially, if you think you're going to have a snow-ball of chance winning this election with Obama...or maybe you're a McCain supporter...
Nah...You like the "bling" candidate that's polished like a brass penny, not the candidate with true experience and leadership qualities...
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but I still believe it is because of the outsourcing of oil, cars and many other products...We're helping their economy, but hurting ours..Is that Bush's fault? I dunno...I think Clinton is partly to blame..
As soon as you tell us what YOU Believe we know it's junk.
Why is gas $2.00/gallon in Mexico?
Drilling only gives the oil companies more cheap oil and will
not prevent them from continuing to gouge is!
Of course you're back to Clinton..
Just so you'll KNOW, gas was $1.45 when he left office.
The amount of oil has nothing to do with the present price.
When you pay oil executives $175million/year in salaries and stocks that lowers their declared profit margins.
They're lying to us like the tobacco companies of the '50's-90's (I'm sure you believed them too)
George Bush has done NOTHING and tried NOTHING. This is the first time ANY President has DONE nothing and TRIED NOTHING,
while Americans struggle to afford heat and fuel.
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FSU92grad1 year, 6 months ago
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Mr. Bundtcake,
Of course, it's junk because only YOUR opinion matters...Even though you never really offer any REAL solutions...You're good at blaming everybody else like Bush and playing the "I'm a victim" card...
The price in Venezuela (where local drilling is allowed) is .12 cents per gallon...So, you're silly examples don't really mean squat to me.....You're Mexican quote is hilarious as well...We're STILL twice as high as Mexico...That adds up...Let me spell it out for ya... if you spend 200 bucks a month on gas, that's 2400 a year ! At 2 bucks a gallon, you're now at only 1200 a year...That's a mortgage payment for some or groceries for others...OPEC has us over a barrel (no pun intended)...You drill here domestically, you give OPEC competition and that in turn will drive down the price...It's simple economoics 101...
Go back to school, bundtcake...
Next?
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GWHayduke1 year, 6 months ago
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Next what?
Is Economics even offered @ FSU?
Why is gas .12c in Venezuela (it really isnt but we can go along for amusement purposes)? Well, its NOT because they drill locally. Its because they SELL it GLOBALLY at HUGE profits and consume MUCH LESS than they PRODUCE.
I used all caps for the important words so you could understand.
Producing a small amount (relative to consumption) from Alaska would have a minimal impact on the global supply (what DRIVES PRICES)and therefore would likely have a minute impact of local oil prices.
Alaskan oil would be sold to China, Russia, India etc, etc and would not be channeled down to the US out of the kindness of the producer's hearts.
No one will sell oil at below-market prices. NO ONE!
It is a market driven commodity.
School? FSU must not qualify.
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Tangent0011 year, 6 months ago
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Both Venezuela and Mexico have nationalized all or a portion of their oil industry, meaning profit motivations have been minimized. Oil used inside the country is made available cheap, often covering just the costs of recovery and processing. Profits from oil exports go back into the country's coffers for social programs (like literacy and building schools in the case of Venezuela).
Of course nationalizing the oil industry would be blasphemy in the US, though I believe one of the Dakotas is putting shale oil recovery operations under the auspices of the state. It'll be interesting to see how that plays out.
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FSU92grad1 year, 6 months ago
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As an afterthought, Mr. Bundtcake....common sense would tell you that a decline in domestic production and a huge increase in the cost of imported foreign oil have inflated the price of oil. With a more steady and even supply that costs less per barrel to import domestically, prices will change in North America.
Not too mention that many jobs would be created..Since you enviromentalist our responsible for the countless Ford and GM employs that we're laid off mostly in part because of your stingy attitude toward looking at Domestic sources of fuel instead of continually relying on foreign energy sources...
Caribou tastes like chicken, I hear...
Tsk - Tsk....Do you feel that, Coffee man ? Yep, that's right...a little ass-whoopin'....
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You can't have an AFTERthought, because you are incapable of having an original thought before it..
As a shill for the oil companies, please answer this one:
Why was one oil tanker grounding (The Exxon Valdiz) which contained 1/700,000 of the world's oil (yes one seven hundred thousandth) the cause for domestic oil prices to rise for 9 months by more than 15%??
Why was one hurricane the cause for 5 months of 150% oil price increases? Oil comapnies lie as bad as tobacco companies..
THAT is OUR LAND in Alaska..IT belongs to the TAXPAYERS..
Why would anyone favor GIVING it away to oil companies so they can GOUGE us with cheap oil that WE OWN??
I FAVOR DRILLING IN ANWAR if they PAY US for the land and WE
have the oil sold in AMERICA.
Any other plan is a another subsidy at taxpayers expense.
PERIOD
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mesodude1 year, 6 months ago
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FSU, your "simple economics 101" is really more like SIMPLISTIC economics 101. Venezuela and Mexico have, respectively, 80 billion and 13 billion barrels of proven oil reserves while we have have about 21 bln barrels of proven reserves. The problem with your comparison is that Venezuela and Mexico use, again respectively, 560,000 and 1.9 million barrels a day. America, on the other hand, uses TWENTY ONE MILLION barrels per day (these figures are from 2006, btw). So you do the math. Their ain't no domestic drilling that's gonna make up for our wildly disproportionate oil consumption relative to that of the rest of the world. It simply cannot be done.
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Tangent0011 year, 6 months ago
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Hmmm, as far as I can tell, the 215 days figure is from estimates that rely on ANWR to supply 100% of US oil needs (though it's unlikely ANWR could be pumped at that volume).
According to the EIA, ANWR oil is graded as Heavy Sour (lots of sulfur and parafin), and would require construction of more refineries geared for this grade of crude.
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FSU92grad1 year, 6 months ago
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not true...Just tired of you libs pi$$ing and moaning about the price of gas and this economy but when we have solutions like off shore drilling and domestic drilling that can buy us some time instead of watching the price of gas go up, that's a big problem...We have brilliant experts like gloppy and JohnQPubic who know everything about ANWR and off shore drilling....You go to any liberal source, which are primarily written by tree-huggin, enviromentalist and their going to say anything and everything about why we shouldn't drill..I provide info from the US Mineral and Management Services clearly indicating that we have a LOT of oil available in fact here's the quote again for you dumba$$ libs who didn't it the first time...
Put down the crack pipe and debate this quote if you can...
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FSU92grad1 year, 6 months ago
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The U.S. Minerals Management Service says that restricted area contains perhaps 86 billion barrels of oil and 420 trillion cubic feet of natural gas -- 10 times as much oil and 20 times as much natural gas as Americans use in a year.
What experts like Gloppy and JohnQPubic fail to understand is that most of ANWR is off-limits and the quotes they are mentioning are based on a small, 2,000 Acre strip where a little bit of oil is located....There is way more oil there in ANWR but because of you tree-huggers out there, we're not allowed to research and get a better picture of what's truly available...Again, the combination of off-shore drilling and ANWR would give us more than enough oil for many years so we can move toward alterative fuel sources...And yes the price would drop...OPEC, to compete, would reduce the price when there's another player in the market...
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FSU92grad1 year, 6 months ago
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I would love to hear JohnQPubic's answer to this dilemma...Try and stay away from the same CNN soundbites of "We need to find alternative fuel sources..." crap and offer REAL solutions that we could do today....Not 30 years from now...We're tired of Obama-like slogans of "Change" but no real solutions for those changes...It's a great word and soundbite, but thus far you guys have fallen short and tend to poo-poo on everyone's else's good ideas...That's what you libs are good at...You complain and talk the "gloom and doom" of the world, but offer nothing in terms of substance or solutions...Nothing..
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blinkers1 year, 6 months ago
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True. To have any "regrets" the subject would require some awareness of past deeds, as well as their cause and effect relationship. Also required would be the intelligence and introspection to realise that different results might have been achieved by different means, and that in this process mistakes and miscalculations might have been made.
It is indeed difficult to imagine that George W. Bush possesses anything like the capacities required to even understand the concept of "regrets".
He whupped Sadam, and won a second term in office; both these things his father was unable to do. Doubtless in his own minuscule mind he has been a "great" president, and there are doubtless people all around him who continue to tell him just that!
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Tessylo
"Well generally to feel regret, you have to have a soul, and a conscience, and some morals, and some shame. These are qualities that GWB does not possess. He is a failure as a human being..."
"AS THESE TOO, THAT GAVE YOU NEGATIVE FOR ABOVE COMENT!!!"
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This was a very amusing view from inside the continent! My hope is that the next president will have a better understandig for the European state of mind and that he will be able to repair what his predecessor has broken. And, even it it might sound marginal, he will surely have a deeper knowledge of European culture, because with George W. Bush, one did not even know, if his ignorance was true or a sign of arrogance and disrespect.
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if "old europe" had any memory they would realize if not for presidents like like bush they would be speaking german or be islamic theocracies--it wont take long for history to regard W as the great force for good in the world that he was..its ironic that even france is moving away from their socialist liberal idiocy and towards the policies of this admin..let the negs begin
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dunkirk1 year, 6 months ago
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ROFLMAO, if we had a President like Bush during WWII THEY would be speaking german. Seems a lot of bushs realtives were in bed with the Nazis. His gradnfather trading with them in 1943 (yes almost 2 years after we entered the war) and karl Roves relatives worked on the design for Aushwitz.
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Poulenc1 year, 6 months ago
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"....[Bush] told the bemused French that he'd heard tell from Jacques [Chirac] about their 'fantastic food'...."
Rather like telling a group of New Yorkers that he'd heard tell from Mayor Bloomberg about their really tall buildings.
Doesn't this reveal, in a way sad, funny, and incredible, the depths of this guy's know-nothingness?
As Daffy Duck put it, "What a maroon!"
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tanglang1 year, 6 months ago
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He was almost "Efram the retarded rabbit".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rwYQPVZKRc
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wtagg1 year, 6 months ago
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Well, he did flip on the idea of a surge.
2004 - Unneeded and the wrong sign to be sent to our troops
2007 - Oops, better send more troops and try to take credit for someone else's idea. Actually the credit part has worked out for him.
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Poulenc1 year, 6 months ago
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Ani, really, your posts so often show such a detachment from reality that one begins to worry about you.
I'm not talking about partisan entrenchment, but rather of something deeper and more troubling: irrational FEAR. Of the bogey man under the bed--of the Dangerous Other (today he's an Arab), who, it seems, can only be dispelled by a Great White Father (and the help of the arsenal you apparently maintain Just In Case).
When did you first learn that the world was such a fearful place?
Come on, you can tell me. There--just lie on the couch; I've got my pad and I'm listening.
And I won't charge you a cent.
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texangelwings1 year, 6 months ago
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No, W has no regrets, because he isn't going to have to pay for his choices he has made, that is the story of W's life! He does not see the damage that he has done, he is oblivious to that reality!
Sad, he never grew up!
Thanks berkeley!
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Tangent0011 year, 6 months ago
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It goes deeper than not seeing the damage. Bush and his followers honestly believe history will vindicate this presidency: that somehow peace will blossom out of this sectarian nightmare; that the current economic disaster will magically propel the country into universal prosperity; that China will simply tire of their first-world aspirations; that bombing Iran will make eeeeeeverything okay and all of Radical Islam will realize that this War on Terror the US is waging is just too formidable and will kneel to the Baby Jesus.
Yes, there will be voices raised in song praising Bush 43. Flagons hoisted in boisterous toast, monuments constructed, memorial highways built, heck, maybe even an ice cream flavor! 'Bushtashio'?
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TrueProgressive1 year, 6 months ago
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fsu92grad: Your posts make it appear FSU hands out its diplomas on toilet paper.
and Ani: please, please go back on your meds.
A prime hallmark of stupidity is that stupid is too stupid to understand that it's stupid. Fits the little monkey brained degenerate to a "T". What else could be expected from America's first man-child president? For eight years we've been led by an imbecile, so what's so surprising when the imbecile is about to leave the stage (hopefully), and he has nothing at all of substance to say about the chaos and disaster he's leaving behind?
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saintetienne1 year, 6 months ago
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Where do you see the "steepest decline in the history of man"?
-Unemployment at 5.5%... big deal, slightly above normal
-Stock market a bit of a roller coaster lately, but it's held relatively steady over the last 8 years. I know I'VE made money...
-Housing market collapse - - thank you, idiot buyers, who can't bother themselves with reading fine print and educating themselves on how to buy a home. They're hurting, but they SHOULD be, for being supremely irresponsible and dragging the economy down. In any case, it'll all recover sooner or later.
-Inflation is up only slightly, and in any event, hasn't seemed to hurt consumer spending, which continues to be fairly strong despite Chicken Littles everywhere waving their wings about the economic sky falling.
-Gas prices are high.... how is that Bush's fault? Cut back. Ride a bike. Take the bus. Carpool. Stay home.
-U.S. is still safe, free and secure, last time I checked.
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I can understand France not caring as much about George W anymore(I guess), but how will they feel if McCain wins over Obama in the general election?
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"but how will they feel if McCain wins over Obama in the general election?"
I imagine they'll be sh*tting bricks, because with a weak titt like Obama in office, they won't be able to rely on us to bail them out when Iran starts firing nuclear warheads at Paris for banning headscarves on Muslim women.
Are you some kind of a NUT!?! Who CARES what France thinks? What have they done for us, lately? Or ever?
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Poulenc1 year, 6 months ago
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May I add to my comment above that the real horror of the Ani mindset, and those of others similarly disposed, is that they won't be happy until their Armageddon fantasy is enacted.
That is, until Good (Us) and evil (Them) have a showdown. Nothing reassures them of their own power like the exercise thereof, preferably in war--and the devil take the loss of lives and other destruction therefrom.
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saintetienne1 year, 6 months ago
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"the devil take the loss of lives and other destruction therefrom"
Poulame, where do you come UP with these crackpot ideas? Honestly, you should write for Hollywood. They seem fresh out of bullsh*t, and your brand of bullsh*t may be just the ticket to improve box office sales. You might have a successful writing career - that is, if you dispense with using words like "therefrom", which isn't even a word.
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therefrom
One entry found.
therefrom
Main Entry:
there·from Listen to the pronunciation of therefrom
Pronunciation:
ther-Ë;frÉ;m, -Ë;främ
Function:
adverb
Date:
13th century
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saintetienne1 year, 6 months ago
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"you get dumber by the day..."
And I've got to get a lot dumber before I reach the levels of dumb that you and Poulame have reached.
"Therefrom"? I don't care if it's a word or not - it's LAME. Who uses words from the 13th century?
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dunkirk1 year, 6 months ago
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Saint you;ve managed to eleveate dumb to an art form. Your av is perfect for your abilities, the blank face typically is the look you must have when reading all the FACTS about Bush and his junta. I did hear that the Goombas in the mario movies were inspired by you.
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Poulenc1 year, 6 months ago
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Thanks, Saint E.! Until your post I hadn't been aware of the rosiness of our current economic-political climate.
And you're perfectly right--damn those who have brought foreclosure on themselves, not the agents who perpetrated that undoing.
But most of all--congratulations! YOU'VE made money in the market, so what, indeed, is all the belly-aching about?
Some folks might think you callous--VERY callous--but I think you're, well...the salt of the (all too scorched) earth.
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saintetienne1 year, 6 months ago
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"Thanks, Saint E.! Until your post I hadn't been aware of the rosiness of our current economic-political climate."
You're welcome, Poulame!
ll it takes is some intelligence, gumption and a good attitude, and it's amazing what you're able to accomplish on your own - government or no government. I have to keep reminding you mopey, negative, Socialist Libs that you need to make your own way in life, and stop hitching your wagon to the government. Of COURSE you're not happy with Bush - he cut all the programs you were relying on.
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Tangent0011 year, 6 months ago
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What you conveniently fail to realize is that if everyone had the 'intelligence, gumption, and good attitude' to make money as you have, then you likely wouldn't have made any money at all. SOMEONE has to scrub out the toilets, pick up the trash, re-stock the shelves, harvest the fruit, drive the cabs, cook the food, and bus the tables. As a society, we've decided the folks who do these jobs don't really deserve a living wage, that they have no dignity, that they LACK this 'intelligence, gumption, and good attitude'.
I say BS!
Capitalism is DESIGNED to maintain a healthy supply of people barely treading water, with precious little access to the means to boost their lot either for themselves or their offspring. Much hay is made over the 'rags-to-riches' stories, but in truth these cases are getting fewer and farther between.
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saintetienne1 year, 6 months ago
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"Capitalism is DESIGNED to maintain a healthy supply of people barely treading water"
Bull.
Captitalism rewards the hardest, most intelligent, most tenacious and most talented workers. The sky's (and the human imagination and spirit) the limit.
And what YOU conveniently fail to realize is that the MARKET determines a person's worth. If there were no one to scrub the toilets, pick up the trash, re-stock the shelves, harvest the fruit, drive the cabs, cook the food and bus the tables, these types of jobs would be high-paying, because of a shortage of people to fill them. Since there is no shortage of people to fill them, these jobs are crowded, and wages remain low. Why pay high prices when there are so many people to fill the positions? How to better yourself? Educate yourself in a field that is in high demand and that relatively few people occupy (medical, engineering, computer technology, etc.)
Is any of this new to you, Tangent?
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Tangent0011 year, 6 months ago
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"Captitalism rewards the hardest, most intelligent, most tenacious and most talented workers. The sky's (and the human imagination and spirit) the limit."
Bull. People who inherit trust funds and gain their income through interest on investments are hardly 'hard-working, intelligent, or tenacious'. Huge compensation packages for CEOs of floundering companies is hardly Darwinian.
In plain fact, the income gap between the haves and the have-nots is the highest it has been since serfdoms. The middle class is being demonstrably squeezed out of existence. More and more people are having to hold down 2 or more jobs just to make ends meet.
The American model of capitalism demands constant aggressive growth in order to be deemed 'healthy'. It's harder and harder for companies to achieve growth through innovation, so they necessarily turn to cost of operation; e.g. benefits, wages, and size of their labor force.
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Tangent0011 year, 6 months ago
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"Why pay high prices when there are so many people to fill the positions?"
Because you get a worker who has a sense of loyalty and feels appreciated, so is therefore inclined to be a high-performer. Costco STARTS workers at between $17 and $19 per hour with benefits. Here is a company I am proud to shop at because they really 'get it' and their prices are comparable to the far lower-paying rival Sam's Club. Because Costco provides a better-than-living wage, employees have both the time and the means to pursue further education.
Tell me, how is the single mother working two jobs that barely covers her living expenses and day care to find time or money to 'better herself'? This is typical of the working poor. These are not folks sponging off of government handouts beyond maybe food stamps or assisted day care if available.
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saintetienne1 year, 6 months ago
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"Here is a company I am proud to shop at"
If alot of people feel like you do, then Costco will probably be around awhile. Simple market economics - - the store with the most customers stays in business.
"Tell me, how is the single mother working two jobs that barely covers her living expenses and day care to find time or money to 'better herself'?"
Tell me: Why is this my responsibility? Get a better job.... Get a third job.... Get married.... Stop having children.... Take in a roommate.... Have her parents or a friend watch her kid.... FIGURE IT OUT! How did she get THIS far in life? Oh, I get it. It's O.K. for her to make the choice and have a kid (a MAJOR responsibility), but when it comes time to taking care of herself and that kid, suddenly she pleads insanity or poverty or helplessness, or some such crap, and WE'RE all supposed to chip in and underwrite her irresponsibility.
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saintetienne1 year, 6 months ago
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CONT.
Living in America the Liberal Way: You're free to make any dumb, irresponsible, knuckleheaded choice you want, because there are millions of hard-working, responsible people whose tax dollars are there to clean up your mess.
No wonder there are millions of immigrants clamoring to get in - - it's a free-for-all! Everybody wants to grab on to the rich teat that is the U.S., but not contribute a thing toward it. It's America, after all. Rich, "greedy" corporations OWE the rest of the world, just because they're alive and needy.
Isn't it funny how nobody wakes up in the middle of the night thinking "I simply MUST move to NIGERIA!", or dreams of one day becoming a Bengalese citizen....
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saintetienne1 year, 6 months ago
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"The American model of capitalism demands constant aggressive growth in order to be deemed 'healthy'."
So you're saying the solution would be to stop growth, curb aggression and punish anybody who desires to get ahead?
Sounds like Communism to me.
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dwemm1 year, 6 months ago
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Definition of a sociopath (AKA antisocial personality disorder)
Glibness and Superficial Charm
Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.
Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."
Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.
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Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.
Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.
Incapacity for Love
Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.
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Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.
Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.
Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.
Irresponsi...
Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause.
http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html
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Mutainia1 year, 6 months ago
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No regrets? Well, things DO seem to be turning around in Iraq. Yesterday, I read that it was IRAQI troops who were now taking charge against the insurgents. I NEVER thought that day would come. Two years ago, that just seemed more than just impossible, and, yet, now, wow, it happened. It...HAPPENed.
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hyperbola1 year, 6 months ago
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Actually the Iraqis are now united in wanting us OUT NOW. All sides there have now realized what our corruption has done to their country. Perhaps Americans will now begin to understand that Bushie investing more in Iraq for imperialism than he invests in America doesn't make much sense.
Finally, the U.S. Mega-Bases in Iraq Make the News
Politics â;; In the last five-plus years, untold billions of taxpayer dollars have been spent on the construction and upgrading of permanent bases.
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/06/15/...
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hyperbola1 year, 6 months ago
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The only ones pushing the propaganda that the mideast is better off because of bushie are the usual zionist traitors - who just love killing americans for zionist crimes against humanity.
Democratic Zionists try to involve US in Lebanon War
Politics â;; Democratic Zionists in the House of Representatives have sponsored resolutions likely to involve the US in war in Lebanon.
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/06/15/...
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Poulenc1 year, 6 months ago
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dwemm, thanks for your posts.
Though Bush doesn't answer to all the symptoms you enumerate, he does to enough of them to make his case problematical indeed.
How do people, who still support Bush, the man (as opposed to the politics, though the two may be inseparable), still do that?
How do they judge the character of others in everyday life? It's a question I ask myself frequently.
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dwemm1 year, 6 months ago
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Sometimes I'm evenly divided whether it's a sign of sociopathy or something vaguely called "leadership." Lots of "great leaders" display many of these aspects of character, but their charm allows them to project empathy and an illusion of conscience when they really have none.
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