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"And, you know, let's take the example of Guantanamo," Obama said. "What we know is that, in previous terrorist attacks â;; for example, the first attack against the World Trade Center â;; we were able to arrest those responsible, put them on trial. They are currently in U.S. prisons, incapacitated.
Someone please buy this idiot a clue! Yes all that were caught were tried.
The other 171? Including OBL, al-Qaeda member Khaled Shaikh Mohammed, they got a way.
Yes under the Bush FAILD policy, OBL has been religated to issuing audio tapes at will from some cave.
Under the Clinton Policy?

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  injest1 year, 6 months ago
  
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  Hers a short list
  Attacks linked to Osama bin Laden
  http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2001/09/13/b...
  Osama bin Laden heads al-Qa'eda Even before Tuesday, he and his followers were believed to be responsible for terrorist attacks that have killed at least 59 Americans and wounded more than 1,400. Among the attacks linked to bin Laden:
  * June 17, 2001: Ten people possessing hand grenades, machine guns and bombmaking equipment are arrested in Amman, Jordan, in a suspected terrorist plot to attack the U.S. Embassy and its staff in Sanaa, Yemen. U.S. investigators are trying to determine whether the Islamic Army of Aden, a militant Muslim group associated with the Saudi dissident, might have been involved.
  * Oct. 12, 2000: Bombing of the USS Cole anchored in Aden; 17 sailors killed; 39 wounded. Bin Laden is suspected.
  * August 1998: Bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania kill 224 people, including 12 Americans. Bin Laden is indicted in New York.
  
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    injest1 year, 6 months ago
    
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    * June 1996: Bombing of Khobar Towers apartments at a U.S. military barracks in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia; 19 U.S. airmen killed; 372 Americans hurt.
    * November 1995: Bombing at Army training headquarters in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia; five Americans killed; 31 wounded.
    * February 1993: Truck bomb at the World Trade Center in New York City kills six and injures more than 1,000.
    * 1992: An attack on a hotel in Aden, Yemen, where about 100 U.S. servicemen were staying before going to Somalia for Operation Restore Hope. No one was injured. Bin Laden claimed responsibility.
    
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      lfergie8121 year, 6 months ago
      
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      Was Clinton president in 1992?? Nope. Bush senior was. 1993? Clinton was in office one month and you blame that bombing on him? Another thing injest, if the Republican congress wasn't so set on destroying Clinton he might have been able to do something about these attacks. But I guess he could only send orders for the military to find these men and bring them to justice. Right? So I guess the real fault would lie in the lack of the military's ability to carry out the orders. Right?
      
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        NoWayMan1 year, 6 months ago
        
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        also, the final CIA report on the Cole bombings wasn't completed until two weeks before Clinton left office.
        But when Bush stepped in, he didn't do a thing about it, acted as if it was Clinton's problem and not America's problem.
        
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        injest1 year, 6 months ago
        
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        "also, the final CIA report on the Cole bombings wasn't completed until two weeks before Clinton left office."
        Uhm was the 2000 USS Cole attack done by some other AQ?
        Not the same AQ that had been attacking us since 92?
        Not the same AQ that we launched missiles against in 1998?
        If it was the SAME AQ, then what's your point?
        Are you saying that Clinton was NOT going after AQ?
        Are you saying that The Clinton/ Law enforcement model was ONLY reactive not Proactive?
        Does this not prove the futility of a Law enforcement model for fighting terrorism?
        As Obama said AQ/OBL can send out audio tapes when ever they want!
        
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        NoWayMan1 year, 6 months ago
        
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        point is...why did bush just forget about it? why was it suddenly only clinton's problem and not america's problem?
        when bush came into office he did nothing about OBL. he even ignored warnings.
        in fact, cheney was meeting with the taliban about a trans-afghan pipeline just 6 months before 911.
        doesn't that bother you?
        
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        dunkirk1 year, 6 months ago
        
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        ROFLMAO, yeah but they needed Bush in office to complete the attack. AND low and behold under Bush immigration approved visa extensions for several of the 9/11 perps post-mortem.All omne needs to remember is tha in tyhe nine months prior to 9/11 BUSH did nothing. Except take the longest vacations of any president of the United States.
        
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        injest1 year, 6 months ago
        
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        ROFLMAO, yeah but they needed Bush in office to complete the attack. AND low and behold under Bush immigration approved visa extensions for several of the 9/11 perps post-mortem.All omne needs to remember is tha in tyhe nine months prior to 9/11 BUSH did nothing. Except take the longest vacations of any president of the United States.
        Amazing?
        So do you believe in time travel or crystal balls projecting the future?
        The outline for the 9/11 attack goes back to 1996. That's when WE got our hands on it.
        The approval or green light for 9/11 was in 1998 , AFTER the failed missile attack .
        If your looking for linkage 9/11 was retaliation for our 1998 missile attack AND the failure to follow up that attack and go after AQ.
        
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        dunkirk1 year, 6 months ago
        
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        "The outline for the 9/11 attack goes back to 1996. That's when WE got our hands on it.
        The approval or green light for 9/11 was in 1998 , AFTER the failed missile attack .
        If your looking for linkage 9/11 was retaliation for our 1998 missile attack AND the failure to follow up that attack and go after AQ. "
        Further proof that BUSH DID NOTHING. We have dates in 96 anad 98 indicating attacks and Bush sat on his ranch vactioning and ignored a security brief from August of an impending attack. During the late 90's a REPUBLICAN controlled congrtess continually played down the threat of terrorist attack claiming Clinton was making a big deal out of nothing. Yes it seems for 9/11 to succeed it needed a REPUBLICAN in the White House.
        
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        djn3nunez31 year, 6 months ago
        
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        What was the most serious threat as outlined by the Clinton Administration officials to the incoming Bush Administration, and what was the Bush Administrations reaction?
        Clarke wrote that al Qaeda "is not some narrow, little terrorist issue that needs to be included in broader regional policy." Two key decisions that had been deferred, he noted, concerned covert aid to keep the Northern Alliance alive when fighting began again in Afghanistan in the spring, and covert aid to the Uzbeks. Clarke also suggested that decisions should be made soon on messages to the Taliban and Pakistan over the al Qaeda sanctuary in Afghanistan, on possible new money for CIA operations, and on "when and how . . . to respond to the attack on the USS Cole."173
        The national security advisor did not respond directly to Clarke's memorandum. No Principals Committee meeting on al Qaeda was held until September 4, 2001 (
        http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Re...
        
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        injest1 year, 6 months ago
        
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        djn3nunez3
        "What was the most serious threat as outlined by the Clinton Administration officials to the incoming Bush Administration, and what was the Bush Administrations reaction? "
        Good question we know it wasn't AQ.
        From the Congressional record
        http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2004_cr/s032604...
        Richard Clark said "The first point, I think the overall point is, there was no plan on Al Qaeda that was passed from the Clinton
        administration to the Bush administration.
        No plan.
        Mr. Clarke's words:
        That kinds sorts answerers your question, no plan and no reaction to the no plan.
        Richard Clark
        "Second point is that the Clinton administration had a strategy in place, effectively dating from 1998. And there were a number of issues on the table since 1998."
        This rings true as we all know there were NO attempts to get OBL after 1998.
        The link above to read it for your self.
        
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        djn3nunez31 year, 6 months ago
        
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        They Had A Plan
        http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101020812/stor...
        "I believe that the Bush Administration will spend more time on terrorism generally, and on al-Qaeda specifically, than any other subject."
        "..the heading on Slide 14 of the.., "Response to al Qaeda: Roll back." Clarke's proposals called for the "breakup" of al-Qaeda cells and the arrest of their personnel. The financial support for its terrorist activities would be systematically attacked, its assets frozen, its funding from fake charities stopped. Nations where al-Qaeda was causing troubleâ;;Uzbekistan, the Philippines, Yemenâ;;would be given aid to fight the terrorists. Most important, Clarke wanted to see a dramatic increase in covert action in Afghanistan to "eliminate the sanctuary" where al-Qaeda had its terrorist training camps and bin Laden was being protected by the radical Islamic Taliban regime."
        
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        injest1 year, 6 months ago
        
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        Jezzz you need a clue.
        WE have been attacked when our President was a Rep and both houses were Dem.
        WE have been attacked when our President was a Dem and both houses were Dem.
        WE have been attacked when our President was a Dem and both houses were Rep.
        WE have been attacked when our President was a Rep and houses were Rep/Dem.
        GET IT?
        It doesn't matter WHO the F-ing President IS or WAS. What matters is HOW we fight terrorism.
        Using a law enforcement model is dumb
        It would be like going after the pilots that bombed Pearl Harbor but NOT the ships that launched them or Japan.
        
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      NoWayMan1 year, 6 months ago
      
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      you obviously have no clue as to how many times Al-Qaeda has attacked US military sites, US embassies, US consulates and US business interests since 911.
      my list is longer than yours.
      *June 2002, Karachi, Pakistan: bomb exploded outside American consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 12. Linked to al-Qaeda.
      *May 2003, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: suicide bombers killed 34, including 8 Americans, at housing compounds for Westerners. Al-Qaeda suspected.
      * Aug 2003, Jakarta, Indonesia: Suicide car-bomb killed 12, injured 150 at Marriott Hotel. The hotel had been recently used by the US Embassy for an event. Al-Qaeda suspected.
      * May 2004, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: terrorists attack the offices of a Saudi oil company in Khobar, Saudi Arabia, take foreign oil workers hostage in a nearby residential compound, leaving 22 people dead including one American. Al- Qaeda suspected.
      
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        NoWayMan1 year, 6 months ago
        
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        * June 2004, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: terrorists kidnap and execute Paul Johnson Jr., an American, in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. 2 other Americans and BBC cameraman killed by gun attacks. Al-Qaeda claims responsibility.
        * Dec 2004, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia: Al-Qaeda terrorists storm the U.S. consulate, killing 5 consulate employees. 4 terrorists were killed by Saudi security.
        * Nov 2005, Amman, Jordan: Suicide bombers hit 3 American hotels, Radisson, Grand Hyatt, and Days Inn, in Amman, Jordan, killing 57. Al-Qaeda claimed responsibility.
        * Sep 2006, Damascus, Syria: an attack by four gunman on the American embassy was foiled. Jund al-Sham, an off shoot of Al-Qaeda, was suspected.
        * Oct 2007, Vienna, Austria: Austrian authorities foil a plot to bomb US embassy in Vienna.
        in the 7 years since 911, US embassies/consulates have been attacked in S. Arabia, Serbia, Greece, Pakistan, India, Uzbekistan and of course Iraq and Afghanistan - way more attacks than in the 7 years prior to 911.
        
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        dunkirk1 year, 6 months ago
        
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        lol, its not so much that your list in more complete it just that time stopped for the right after Clinton left office.
        
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        NoWayMan1 year, 6 months ago
        
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        so...you're willing to criticize my list for a bomb that went off outside one of our consulates but unwilling when it comes to injest's first example of a plot that never even materialized.
        for injest I don't see you being critical. only hypocritical.
        someone's playing games alright.
        
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  not2needy1 year, 6 months ago
  
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  sorry injest, false positive.
  
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    lfergie8121 year, 6 months ago
    
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    That's all right N2N. I gave him a neg for you because he has all the characteristic of a cut and paste shill.
    
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      not2needy1 year, 6 months ago
      
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      That's all he does, cut and paste! Like we can't all do that..
      
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        lfergie8121 year, 6 months ago
        
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        I remember another Clinton hater that use to do that but I can't recall his name at the moment.
        
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        not2needy1 year, 6 months ago
        
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        Probably someone who got banned, then came back under another id. They do that all the time, you would think they would learn.
        
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        dunkirk1 year, 6 months ago
        
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        ROFLMAO, seems Alpha fits under that title. Oh but wait shes ur leader, did you clear your posts with her?
        
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        MajJohn1 year, 6 months ago
        
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        Uh?? How do you get all those votes both & - when you say nothing?? :)
        
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        LumFan1 year, 6 months ago
        
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        I gave her a pos because it was some of the best insight I have seen from AG in a long while. ;)
        
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        injest1 year, 6 months ago
        
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        not2needy
        "That's all he does, cut and paste! Like we can't all do that."
        I'm sure you can cut and past. What you lack is the ability to ask the questions and do the research.
        
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        I won't tell you what you lack! lol. But you need plenty of it!
        
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      "That's all right N2N. I gave him a neg for you because he has all the characteristic of a cut and paste shill."
      No $hit! Reminds me of that right wing shill, davidhalico remember him?
      
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        not2needy1 year, 6 months ago
        
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        Now that you mention Dave Halko, i have been thinking that it's very possible that NoSpinDave is DavidHalko. What do you think?
        
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  um, in the aftermath of the 1993 WTC attack, more people were arrested, tried and jailed than were killed in the actual attack.
  
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    injest1 year, 6 months ago
    
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    "um, in the aftermath of the 1993 WTC attack, more people were arrested, tried and jailed than were killed in the actual attack."
    Seriously do you honestly think the plan blowing out the entire support structure of the under ground garage was only intended to kill 6 people?
    However Obama's claim is that ALL those responsible for the 1993 WTC bombing were caught tried and jailed.
    Ether he's an idiot or he's lying.
    KSM (Bluto looking guy) was the one who planed, trained and financed the 93 attack.
    He also planed the 9/11 attack, getting support and approval from OBL in late 98 or early 99.
    HINT: If he had been caught tried and jailed, he wouldn't have been free to planed the 9/11 attack, ya think?
    There are 171 co conspirators Including OBL, al-Qaeda member Khaled Shaikh Mohammed, they ALL got a way.
    
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  IanFraigun1 year, 6 months ago
  
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  Just who got away. None of those mentioned were ever in this country and were not subject to being tried or imprisoned here. Those here that actually committed the attack are the ones captured, convicted, and imprisoned.
  
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    injest1 year, 6 months ago
    
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    "Just who got away. None of those mentioned were ever in this country and were not subject to being tried or imprisoned here. Those here that actually committed the attack are the ones captured, convicted, and imprisoned."
    Utterly friging amazing. This is one of those forest/trees things
    "None of those mentioned were ever in this country"
    All 171? Are you sure? Wanna bet?
    "and were not subject to being tried or imprisoned here"
    Sorry, even under the "law enforcement" model those who pay, train and supply those who actually do the attack are subject to our laws and international laws.
    Perhaps you don't know this but OBL has not been in the USA, yet he was indicted by our courts and there was a warrant out for his arrest.
    Using a law enforcement model is dumb
    It would be like going after the pilots that bombed Pearl Harbor but NOT the ships that launched them or Japan.
    
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