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smithichie1 year, 5 months ago

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Nothing amazing or new about Bentley and his revival.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven's_Gate_(cult)

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  re:"Nothing amazing or new about Bentley and his revival." -> Todd doesn't claim to be amazing or new, nor is it "his revival"...it's God's, and that he does very clearly proclaim.
  Would you care to expand on the links you posted? I don't see any correlation between them and the posted story. I suggest you submit them as a separate post and see how many like-minded participants show up?
  By the way, I think if the scientific community even vaguely hinted about getting results out of a glass eye, it would be deemed "a medical miracle". How many times do we see that term "medical miracle" in the news when there's a "technological advance"? Yet how many will give God credit when He heals and restores...
  
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    MereMortal1 year, 5 months ago
    
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    The correlation is religious fanaticism.
    
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      mikhurst1 year, 5 months ago
      
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      MereMortal - re:"The correlation is..." -> it appears you showed up to comment on smithi's comment, which is not really addressing the subject matter of the submitted video. Please watch it and share your thoughts on that first, if you would. If you don't think the video is good, let your commentary stem from that (I applaud Hmac for "staying on track"). If it's Todd Bentley you're after, please submit your own post and launch your discussion from that perspective. There's plenty of anti-Bentley stuff out there. This video captures an excited evangelist and an excited recipient of healing. To me, I see no relation to Jim Jones or Hale-Bopp. Thank's.
      
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        MereMortal1 year, 5 months ago
        
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        My comment was in response to your comment, not smithi's.
        Do you own this site? Didn't think so. Bite Me.
        YHVH
        EDIT - That's right, go ahead and neg me you blithering fool. You have been doing nothing but spreading fraud for the last few weeks, as any fool could see. Why should I believe this one to be any different?
        
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        mikhurst1 year, 5 months ago
        
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        re:"Bite Me" -> so what do you think about the man in the video? What's your comments on the miraculous double-portion of healing he received?
        That "double-portion" deal is sometimes referred to as "the Elisha blessing". Do you have any commentary on that? I imagine you and Elisha spend a lot of time together.
        
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        MereMortal1 year, 5 months ago
        
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        See my reply to Hmac below.
        
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      re:"I submit that Todd may be sincere in his efforts here, that he may not be attempting to defraud anyone." -> I appreciate that. That's very good of you.
      re:"I've seen no "healings" by him, only prayers and reported results after the fact." -> On many occasions Todd has declared "I'm not laying hands on anyone", and that "many healings are coming just by being in the Glory and Presence of God". Not all healings are spontaneous or instantaneous either.
      re:"Tell me, Mike: does our glass-eyed double amputee have a twin brother?" -> personally, I don't know. But if you care to pursue it, all the contact information is posted in my recent submissions.
      
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        MereMortal1 year, 5 months ago
        
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        "all the contact information is posted in my recent submissions" > Which turned out to be apparent dead ends.
        
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        MereMortal1 year, 5 months ago
        
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        You neg the truth, mikhurst? Smithi posted on your last submission that he tried the contact info that you gave but got an undeliverable message. Looks like a dead end to me.
        
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        mikhurst1 year, 5 months ago
        
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        MereMortal - re:"Looks like a dead end to me." -> when the world said the "world is flat" and someone didn't believe it, that someone set sail to find it out for himself. If you don't like what I've presented, I suggest you get off your "dead end" and do some research.
        
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        MereMortal1 year, 5 months ago
        
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        Pretty typical. You get called on your bovine excrement and start crying for someone else to do your research. Dude, YOU are the one posting this tripe. You do some research. I've done enough (and shown enough down below) to show that your last dozen or so submissions are pure steaming crap.
        
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        mikhurst1 year, 5 months ago
        
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        re:"Pretty typical" -> what's the problem then? You buy the newspaper, you read the headline, it interests you, you proceed to read the story. If the story intrigues you, you try to derive from the article how to learn more. The story bothers you, you turn to the next page or set the paper down. If it's a day after day thing, I suggest you switch to another paper. If you read about some guy who's done some injustice, you can't expect the newspaper publisher to execute him can you? I'm just telling you about Todd Bentley. I'm NOT Todd Bentley. We've got a bunch of different "channels" to pick from if you're not being fulfilled here.
        http://religion.propeller.com/story/2008/06/18/...
        
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        MereMortal1 year, 5 months ago
        
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        "what's the problem then?" > The problem is that you are a liar.
        
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        MereMortal1 year, 5 months ago
        
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        We're not the ones who need to leave here. You are the one who should leave. If I got caught in the lies you have been caught in, I would crawl away with my head bowed in shame. Then again, I know your type has no shame.
        
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        re:"I know your type has no shame" -> you're masquerading around as the Lord of Hosts, and who has no shame? You "caught" no one "in a lie". If you believe this guy's eyeball is real because of what you believe you see on your YouTube viewer, that's fine. However, remember you're presenting nothing more than your observation. And you keep using that phrase "your type". Isn't that the mark of a biased, pre-judged opinion?
        
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        MereMortal1 year, 5 months ago
        
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        "remember you're presenting nothing more than your observation." > Precisely. However, remember that I have openly said to not take my word for it. Download the video and play it in a player capable of stop frame viewing. I will assist any and all that have trouble doing this. Even a known liar such as yourself.
        "And you keep using that phrase "your type". Isn't that the mark of a biased, pre-judged opinion?"
        Not if the shoe fits.
        
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        re:"Download the video and play it in a player capable of stop frame viewing." -> I downloaded the video and the VLC player. My previous observation stands. Thank you.
        re:"Not if the shoe fits." -> that tells me that you approve of your own biased opinion. Do you know what biased means?
        
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        MereMortal1 year, 5 months ago
        
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        Then you are still a liar. No getting out of that one.
        
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        re:"Which turned out to be apparent dead ends." -> FYI, I e-mailed FreshFire Ministries at 1:26am this morning, and I received a personal response back before noon. I got no beef's about that.
        
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        MereMortal1 year, 5 months ago
        
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        Then where's all this documentation you have been boasting of? We have seen none. This video you submitted has just been debunked. See below about the glass eye.
        
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        re:"where's all this documentation you have been boasting of? -> I'm sorry if you've confused me with Todd. He's the big guy on the video's with all the tattoos. And the guy with the documentation. His contact info is "FreshFire Ministries" in BC, Canada. Backtrack my posts or Google it. As I stated in my above comment, they give pretty quick responses.
        re:"We have seen none." -> "ye have not, because ye ask not" [James 4:2]
        re:"This video you submitted has just been debunked." -> Not so fast, Sherlock...what you've posted means absolutely nothing to me unless you at least further explain it.
        
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        MereMortal1 year, 5 months ago
        
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        YOU said Bentley was releasing the documentation. So where is it?
        "what you've posted means absolutely nothing to me unless you at least further explain it." > See below.
        I will add that I suspect even if the amputee publicly admitted to being a plant, you wouldn't believe it. Or at least you probably wouldn't admit it. I know your kind well.
        
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        mikhurst1 year, 5 months ago
        
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        MereMortal - re:"YOU said Bentley was releasing the documentation..." -> C'mon old man. You're masquerading around as the "ancient of day's" and you can't even remember the last post? I said (verbatum): "Todd just announced live on God.tv that he's sending his medical documents along with his financial statements to Geraldo." http://religion.propeller.com/story/2008/06/16/...
        re:"So where is it?" -> Todd's contact info is "FreshFire Ministries" in BC, Canada. Backtrack my posts or Google it.
        
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        MereMortal1 year, 5 months ago
        
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        You are an idiot.
        
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        smithichie1 year, 5 months ago
        
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        FreshFire Ministries isn't the author of the "follow up" on the 'resurrected' girl claiming she is "alive and well", that supposed author no longer has an email address.
        Since you have no problems getting personal responses back, why don't you post for us what is meant by "alive and well"? Tell us if this girl has been released from the hospitial and if she can eat and breath on her own?
        
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        re:"Since you have no problems getting personal responses back..." -> maybe there's just something working here in the supernatural that you're refusing to accept? If your entire motive is to disprove, to dismantle, to disengage, to dismember, to disharmonize...you may run into a little "dis" in your life. If your intent is to create strife, you may in turn experience strife. I don't know...it's just a theory of mine.
        
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        MereMortal1 year, 5 months ago
        
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        Keep smoking it Mike! Pass it on the left hand side!
        Wait! Did you already drink the Kool-Aid?
        
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        MereMortal1 year, 5 months ago
        
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        I take that as a yes.
        
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        MereMortal1 year, 5 months ago
        
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        I thought so.
        
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        MereMortal1 year, 5 months ago
        
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        LMAO
        Here's another one for you to neg. I think you missed a few.
        
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        MereMortal1 year, 5 months ago
        
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        How about another?
        
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        MereMortal1 year, 5 months ago
        
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        There ya go! Feel better now?
        
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        MereMortal1 year, 5 months ago
        
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        Want more? I think you missed a few above and below.
        
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        smithichie1 year, 5 months ago
        
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        Incredible claims demand incredible evidence.
        Bentley's group is not the first to make these types of claims.
        Just like groups before and groups yet to come, the 'evidence' for such is always fuzzy at best. As I have stated, your kind count on the public's short term memory. You count on people forgetting to ask questions about the claims you made last week, or in this case, last month and instead count on them being dazzled by the new claims you are making.
        
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        smithi - re:"Bentley's group is not the first to make these types of claims." -> Waaaaait a minute. Just who do you consider to be "Bentley's group"? Is this paraplegic specific of "Bentley's group"? Are these groups from the UK, Ireland and Scotland "Bentley's group"? Are these folks from Norway, Sweden, Denmark & Iceland "Bentley's group"? Are these people from Africa "Bentley's group"? Are these masses from Australia and New Zealand "Bentley's group"? Are all these cancer patients "Bentley's group"? Are all these wheelchair bound folks "Bentley's group"? You'd better be careful about what you're calling "Bentley's group", because not all these people know Jesus (that means "are Christians). Are you saying that every type of person, Christian or non-Christian "is not the first to make these types of claims"?
        
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        http://religion.propeller.com/story/2008/06/18/...
        
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        All these masses of 'healed' and you can't even tell me about one girl. What does that say about these "masses" you speak of?
        
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        re:"What does that say about these "masses" you speak of?" -> that they've claimed to be healed and they're awaiting your contacting them for "a post-healing testimony interview".
        
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        So how do we contact them? Remember, nothing but dead ends so far.
        
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        re:"So how do we contact them?" -> you claim to be a bright guy. You'll figure it out.
        
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        As I suspected. You (nor Bentley) really want a critical examination of any alleged evidence. That only exposes your deceptions.
        
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        That should be neither you nor Bentley. Oh well. I Screwed Up when I Made the Hurst Clan. A little error in a sentence is no big deal, I Suppose.
        YHVH
        
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    "Would you care to expand on the links you posted? I don't see any correlation between them and the posted story".
    You say these people show up on their own, that they are not forced into participating. That this somehow proves Bentley can't be a fake.
    Well, it seems few if any people were forced to drink Jim Jone's Kool-Aid and nobody was forced to commit suicide in the name of Heaven's Gate, those people showed up and acted on their own, just like Bentley's revival.
    If Bentley passed out poisoned Kool-Aid at one of his revivals and told people to drink. How many do you think would do it? I would wager almost all of them would.
    
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      Mike, would you drink the Kool-Aid? Tell the truth!
      
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      smithichie - re:"How many do you think would do it?" -> if you took the Lakeland crowd, separated out the Christians and gathered up the lost, the broken and the demonized...put them all in a tent, rented a Todd Bentley look-alike (as you believe they have been hiring actors), turned off the air-conditioners so it got real hot and passed out iced-cyanide Koolade, you might get some takers. You see, with the Jim Jones and Hale-Bopp crowd, nobody was seeking Jesus. They were all submitting to something else. That's what made it different from Lakeland. I believe God might even protect the lost, the broken and the demonized just because of His Anointing in that place.
      
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