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MereMortal1 year, 6 months ago
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I downloaded the video and watched it in stop frame - frame by frame. At 7:19 into the video, his face is in a closeup. His "glass" eye tracks precisely to the left with his other eye.
As for the growing stumps, no evidence was offered. Only his word. The guy is an obvious plant.
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mikhurst1 year, 6 months ago
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re:"His "glass" eye tracks precisely to the left with his other eye" -> ok Sherlock, what exactly does that mean to you?
re:"The guy is an obvious plant" -> plants traditionally have what's called stems, and trees have stumps, but he definitely looks human to me (sorry, I couldn't pass that one). By "plant" you actually believe they're hiring paraplegic actors to, to, to...I can't think of a reason in the world why a ministry would spend their offering money on theatrics. You tell me...I can't wrap my head around your skeptic philosophy.
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mikhurst1 year, 6 months ago
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smithichie - "You have to spend money to make money" -> are you saying you think Todd hired a one-eyed paraplegic to come up on stage, pull his prosthetic legs off in front of the world, and give a fake testimony? It's most hard to believe what goes through your guy's minds. I mean, don't you recognize these images on the screen are real people whose lives have been devastated in many ways?
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MereMortal1 year, 6 months ago
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Unless he had the implant in the last couple of years, his "glass" eye would not track precisely with is good eye. Even today with surgical advances, the movement is not precise, although more precise than previously. Also, if it were implanted using present day surgical techniques, it would not be glass. Those fell out of favor in the 1940s.
"I can't think of a reason in the world why a ministry would spend their offering money on theatrics." > You still haven't rented Leap of Faith, have you? Either that, or you are trying to deny your own fraudulent actions. Which is it?
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MereMortal1 year, 6 months ago
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Don't take my word for it. Download the video and play it frame by frame. Seven minutes nineteen seconds into the video is where you will find it. If anyone has trouble downloading youtube videos, PM me and I will help you do it, as well as set up a video player that is capable of frame by frame play.
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mikhurst1 year, 6 months ago
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MereMortal - re:"Don't take my word for it." -> thank's for bringing that into the light. At 7:18 and 7:22 you can see on both frames MARKEDLY that his right eye is focusing upward and toward his nose while his left is MARKEDLY directly forward.
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MereMortal1 year, 6 months ago
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You must be watching a different video. That's not how it is in the one linked above. I just took it through the entire 7:00 to 8:00 and there is not a single frame where his eyes are both clearly seen and pointing in different directions.
At exactly 7:00 - 7:06, the eyes are together. His left eye is squinted, but they are clearly together. At 7:16 - 7:18 he comes back on camera, but his left eye (still squinted) is shadowed, so nothing can be determined there, except that his right eye, the artificial one, is focusing not upward and toward his nose, as you claim, but DOWNWARD. At 7:18 he BLINKS! HIS EYES ARE CLOSED!
You sir, are a liar, and I call you out on it.
Again, people, please do not take my word for it. Please download this video and play it frame by frame. Anyone who needs help doing that, contact me by PM. I will be more than glad to help.
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mikhurst1 year, 6 months ago
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re:"except that his right eye, the artificial one, is focusing not upward and toward his nose, as you claim..." -> my mistake. I described the eye relative to the viewer, not relative to the man owning the eye. Nevertheless, one can clearly see it's not tracking "precisely to the left with his other eye" as you stated.
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MereMortal1 year, 6 months ago
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As I said, at the moment before you specify, the left eye (his left) is shadowed (and squinted) so you can't tell where it's pointing. AT THE MOMENT YOU SPECIFIED, HIS EYES (BOTH OF THEM) WERE CLOSED). STOP YOUR LYING!
At 7:19, it is indeed tracking precisely with the other one. The proof is in the video YOU posted. Did I Creatively Edit it? Maybe I hacked youtube.
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mikhurst1 year, 6 months ago
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MereMortal - "AT THE MOMENT YOU SPECIFIED, HIS EYES (BOTH OF THEM WERE CLOSED)" -> give it up. You're trying to tell my the time I cited is "shadowed" and that I'm a "liar"? Then you're going to tell me within one second you can see something "precisely". There's actually 2 frames in the "1 second" I cited (7:18). In one the guy's finger is face-high and in the frame, the second one it is dropped. The shadow that you say distorts my selection, also distorts your's just the same. Am I going to call you a "liar" for saying you saw something "precisely"? No, I'm not. But I will say that framing a YouTube video from home is not technologically sound enough for you to say "precise" anything. If you want to believe Todd paid this guy to testify, go ahead. If you want to believe this was a "magic show", go ahead. You've already attested to your belief.
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MereMortal1 year, 6 months ago
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"There's actually 2 frames in the "1 second" > There are THIRTY frames per second in this video. You want to compound your lies with more lies?
I am not viewing this in the youtube viewer. As I said, I DOWNLOADED it and am playing it offline where I can get better quality and can actually go frame by frame. The youtube player does not allow you to go frame by frame.
"You've already attested to your belief."
This is not a "belief". I have stated absolute fact. Download the video! Look at it frame by frame. Your words and Todd Bentley's words do not correlate with the facts of the video.
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mikhurst1 year, 6 months ago
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MereMortal - re:"Unless he had the implant in the last couple of years" -> 2:25 into the video, he states he's had it "about 3-4 years". Play it frame-by-frame and watch his lips move.
re:"it would not be glass" -> Todd, nor his assistants are doctors. Jeff (his assistant) called it a "glass eye". It's perfectly permissable to call a "prosthetic" eye (a term Todd did also use) a "glass" eye. Similar to one calling a "simulated synthetic hair" coat, a "fur" coat. Yer gettin' pretty pickey here on the technicalities, ain't ya?
re:"Leap of Faith" -> you're talking Steve Martin here? Comedy? Satire? Take that to the "Entertainment Channel" thank you.
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MereMortal1 year, 6 months ago
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3-4 > couple. You've been busted on this one. Game over.
"re:"Leap of Faith" -> you're talking Steve Martin here? Comedy? Satire? Take that to the "Entertainment Channel" thank you" > Hey, YOU are the one who has been asking what motive there would be for deception. Rent the movie you nitwit. Truth may be finally revealed to you.
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mikhurst1 year, 6 months ago
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re:"Game over" -> I'm glad you're throwing in the towel.
re:"Rent the movie..." -> I don't have to answer to demands, especially to the "nitwit" deal. May I suggest you pack up your namecalling and enjoy watching your satirical comedy one-frame-at-a-time.
We can enjoy these posts for what they're worth. We can "spar", or "match wits" or whatever you want to call it, but when it get's to namecalling, that's a sign that the dialogue has gone beyond reasoning.
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mikhurst1 year, 6 months ago
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re:"I'd say that's game over." -> let's hope so. If you think your viewing YouTube at 30 fps and me viewing at 2 fps makes me a liar, we're not on the same intellectual level. I don't believe you're a accredited hi-speed film analyist, nor an optical surgeon, are you? So you've no more made me or this man in the film, nor Todd Bentley a liar.
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MereMortal1 year, 6 months ago
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mikhurst1 year, 6 months ago
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re:"The video is plain as day" -> but you are an expert at nothing, except by your own regard. You masquerade as if you are spokesperson for the Most High God, yet you weakly bow down to the nonsense "I have been demoted by the Propeller Deities from YHVH to MereMortal". It's obvious you are crying out for some sort of recognition or attention. Don't you think you've given yourself enough for now?
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mikhurst1 year, 6 months ago
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re:"I don't need to be a video expert to watch a video." -> very good. Here's a tip for you. You DO need to be a video expert, and a medical expert to boast the claims you're boasting.
re:"The video is still fraudulent." -> Although I don't accept it, I totally understand your assumption. You are a skeptic. The skeptic by definition has "an attitude of doubt or a disposition to incredulity either in general or toward a particular object". Taking into account your open mockery of our God, and your consistent citing of a group you call "your kind", I think it's fair to say that you harbor a disposition to incredulity, a suspended judgment of, a systematic doubt toward, and an unwarranted criticism of Christians that is characteristic of the "biased" skeptic.
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MereMortal1 year, 6 months ago
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"You DO need to be a video expert, and a medical expert to boast the claims you're boasting. " > Wrong, idiot. All that is needed is to have eyes that can see. I see what you try to do. When you are proven to be lying, you try to twist and squirm. Well, twist and squirm on. The evidence speaks for itself, which includes all messages you have typed above.
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MereMortal1 year, 6 months ago
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See this comment by you, mikhurst http://religion.propeller.com/story/2008/06/18/...
Blatant lie. You can't cover that one up.
YOU ->>"At 7:18 and 7:22 you can see on both frames MARKEDLY that his right eye is focusing upward and toward his nose while his left is MARKEDLY directly forward."
I'm going to say this slowly so special people such as yourself can understand:
An expertise in video is not required to see that is a blatant lie. All that is required is to view it in a better video player than youtube's builtin. Stop frame. One frame at a time. 30 frames per second. Zoom in.
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MereMortal1 year, 6 months ago
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I suggest using Firefox as your web browser. http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/
Add the Fast Video Download extension. Or one of numerous others, but this one works just fine.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/...
Download the video from the link you posted by browsing to that youtube page, then click the download icon in your status bar. Save it somewhere that can be easily found.
Now open that video in an appropriate video player - Windows Media Player is not appropriate, unless they've made some updates of which I am unaware.
I am personally using Mplayer, however, for the less technically inclined, I would suggest something like VLC.
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MereMortal1 year, 6 months ago
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You see, Mik, that is openness and honesty. Do you and Todd Bentley know the meanings of those words?
That is also, as you call it, "doing the legwork". I have done the legwork. I have posted how you and anyone else can duplicate this legwork. I have also posted that anyone may PM me if they have trouble with any of this. If I have to, I can walk you through mouse click by mouse click. It doesn't get any more open and honest than that.
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mikhurst1 year, 6 months ago
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MereMortal - re:"You see, Mik, that is openness and honesty." -> You claim to be Jehovah who? Your profile reads: "I Am He Who was once called I AM."
How about let's see some openness and honesty there. Open up and reveal something real about yourself. Come out of the closet of anonymity and let people know who you are, where you're from. Then they may be able to relate to why you post the commentary that you do. The picture I get in my mind many times is all I've got on this post is a bunch of rebellious adolescents tinkering away on their parent's computers while they're away at work.
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MereMortal1 year, 6 months ago
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There you go. Get caught in a lie and you try to deflect. This discussion isn't about me. It's about Todd Bentley and your support for him. What was it you said a while back about staying on track? My profile has nothing to do with this. If it did, I'd take the route that several others have taken and ask you what this pyramid scam you are into is all about. Would you like for me to go there? Or would you like to stay on the topic at hand?
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MereMortal1 year, 6 months ago
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See my comment here http://religion.propeller.com/story/2008/06/18/...
as this is getting too far to the right.
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