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Posted By Dakota 1 year, 5 months ago in NewsLast week, Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama's campaign launched a new website solely dedicated to debunking untruths about his life. Called Fight The Smears, the site is laid out in a clean, simple style: it lists each rumor, then neatly debunks it.
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Wolfie20071 year, 5 months ago
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BB641 year, 5 months ago
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It does look like a donation site. The other question it doesn't answer is how can someone who thinks he's so very smart, attend a church, that even by the most liberal standards is a center of racism and hate? There are really only three possibilities. The first one, he's too stupid to realize racism unless it's a fat bald white guy. I don't think that's the case, he's a good speech reader. Second option, he wanted their votes and didn't think the media would report Rev. Wright so it wasn't a problem to sit there with his kids and listen to hate. Third, he agrees that white America is the cause of all the world's problems.
For 23 years he sat there and supported Rev. Wright. Why doesn't his site explain that?
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Candida1 year, 5 months ago
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Wolfie and BB,
Thank you for clarifying for me the answer to the last sentence in the article: "Now that Obama's site is up and running--and has debunked this very assertion--is this a case of ignorance or deliberate rumor-mongering?"
Yes, it is deliberate rumor-mongering, or possibly both.
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mesodude1 year, 5 months ago
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"The other question it doesn't answer is how can someone who thinks he's so very smart, attend a church, that even by the most liberal standards is a center of racism and hate? "
--Are you a liberal? How do you know what "most liberal standards" are and which liberal groups have claimed this is a "center of racism and hate"?
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Leemck021 year, 5 months ago
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BB64, let me help you out on that question, since you are on this site; save you from looking around. If Obama had gone to your church for the last 20 years, assuming you have one, would he be a Presidential Nominee, worked to save the poor, or a Harvard Grad with Top Honors, and Inspired to pass up all sorts of money making opportunities 'to labor that he might serve' in a higher capacity? If you are typical of what your church produces, then it would be a place that produces bitter people that pretend they don't understand racism; still longing for the days where the law and practice allowed legalized ill gotten gain and hate at the highest levels. Did your church try to liberate anyone? Reverend Wright should have stepped up on your pulpit to say, "you're in this church that tolerate injustice, looking for a Blessing" . . . "No, not God Bless" this church here, God . . . . Performance BB64, vote for change, this may offset your misguided life.
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Goppy1 year, 5 months ago
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I LIEK Wolfie's question: "When IS Obama gointa tell the truth?"
Our Truth: We say hes a Muslim ... aniokly says this nearly everday! Therefore, thats OUR Rightie truth ... and no amount of RATIONAL truth will push us off this pin head.
Our Truth: We say hes a Socialist ... libsR says this nearly everday! Therefore, thats OUR Rightie truth ... and no amount of ACTUAL truth will let blood flow to the REASONIN part of our brain non that one.
See my point?
We Righties make these grand pronouncements intended to DIVERT America's attention. And, since we are literally CRAAAAZIE, we all jump on board in a BIG WAY - and claim they ARE the truth.
The KILLER part is that ... any tiem Obama (or somebody we dont liek) counters these claims ... we THEN say hes tryin to SPIN it!!!
SEE?
Its pure evil genious!! And it just reels in the poor low IQ suckers by the MILLIONS! And of course ... those become rank n file Republicans.
There you have it! All tied up with a red ribbon!
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Leemck021 year, 5 months ago
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Goppy, I like it, that is your view of truth. If you don't like someone that's fair, just don't lie on them or say silly stuff to make yourself look like a fool. Most people can respect differences or mistakes but but hate to abide with a lying fool.
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mark-stevens1 year, 5 months ago
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Carl Rove is back!! Saw a blog telling us that, according to the Bible, that the Anti Christ will be a smooth talking Muslim??
Ya see Obama is a smooth talking Muslim... he is the "anti Christ". Google "anti Christ"... that person was nuts and a neo con!!
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walden31 year, 5 months ago
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Republicans get it together -
Last week Obama was a turban, wearing, Islamofascist Muslim extremist with a Muslim middle-name.
This week he discriminates against Muslims.
Republicans, which is it? Is he a Muslim, does he hate Muslims or is he a self-hating bi-polar Muslim?
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saintetienne1 year, 5 months ago
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"Is he a Muslim, does he hate Muslims or is he a self-hating bi-polar Muslim?"
All of the above. With a disjointed, broken-home upbringing like he's had, coupled with a nut for a preacher, a shrew for a wife and all of his shady associates, I don't think he knows which way is up these days.
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TOD3961 year, 5 months ago
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"Wow, I wasn't going to vote for Obama, but seeing how against him that you are I think I'm now convinced that Obama is the right man at the right time"
It comes as no surprise that you would have to determine what you think and who you vote for based upon what others think. Kinda shows that you are incapable of voting for Obama based upon valid criteria. But hey, if Obama wins, it will be because there are more of those out there like you than there should be. You know, the one's who vote against someone else, rather than for themselves...
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saintetienne1 year, 5 months ago
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"and in no way reflects who he truly intends to vote for in November 2008."
....except that he, like so many other lock-in-step nimrods nationwide, will vote for Obama simply because he's black.
You don't fool anyone, waldork. You're about as interesting as a bowl of turnips.
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Tangent0011 year, 5 months ago
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"...will vote for Obama simply because he's black."
Bull pucky! Some people MAY vote for Obama because he's black, just as some people may have voted for Clinton because she's a woman, just as some people may vote for McCain because he's NOT black (or a woman).
I'm voting for Obama because I like his proposals and I like that he has largely eschewed PAC money and other corporate influence. Is he perfect or pristine? Nope. But he better represents the direction I'd like to see the country head a d-a-double-m sight better than McCain.
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BB641 year, 5 months ago
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Actually, I'm not sure what his father's religion is. If his birth father is Muslim, in that faith, technically he's Muslim. Other religions it follows the mother's choice, technically. That's where I think people get confused.
As to the gaff with the Islamic ladies, that's a joke. The party of inclusion wants the Muslims to get out of camera view for a white guy. I can't imagine McCain's people doing that and getting a pass from most of the media.
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fsev411 year, 5 months ago
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It would not be unrealistic at all for those two muslim ladies to have been Rove type plants. He's courting muslims if they stay in view and he's prejudiced if they aren't allowed to appear. Like "Has your father stopped beating your mother?"
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Tangent0011 year, 5 months ago
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One of them used to be a proselytizer for a Muslim student organization. There are rumors she had 'ties' with a supposed front group for al Qaeda. I don't know if the latter is supportable or not (frankly, I'm skeptical), but you can bet your sweet bippy the Right would be sporting 'Omar the tent maker' over a photo like that.
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BB641 year, 5 months ago
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You didn't read what I said concerning the confusion. He belongs to that black Nazi church that claims to be Christian, as long as only black people go to Wright's idea of heaven. But anyway, my Muslim tradition, you are your father's religion by birth. Never said that was his true faith, that's simply a part of the Islamic faith. That's why Google shouldn't be done by everyone. Reading with understanding is important.
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Beau78901 year, 5 months ago
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Drew Weston is absolutely correct. We've seen what ignoring smears has done for candidates in the past. Obama is right to be aggressive about debunking rumors.
There are two problems that I can see--neither as problematic as ignoring rumors entirely--with this tactic. The first (as Wolfie alluded to above), is that the site is obviously presented by the Obama campaign, which will make doubters suspecious, though of course the info on the site is accurate. (Adding a link on the debunking site to donate to the campaign probably doesn't help with credibility issues.)
The other problem is broader--it appears to me that so many Americans have become much more partisan than they used to be, not only suspecting anything put out by campaigns, but ignoring facts that contradict their pre-formed political opinions. I imagine those who might believe the rumors being propagated may never get to fightthesmears.com, and may never believe anything anyone else says that debunks those rumors.
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TOD3961 year, 5 months ago
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Are you implying that only those who will not follow up on Obama smears are the only one's?
What of the other side of the aisle? From my viewpoint, Liberals and Conservatives are both containing equal amounts of those who refuse to believe the truth.
Obama has many flaws, and they are trickling out. McCain has flaws also. Our job, as Americans, is to find out who among those two will do the least damage over the next 4 years. Obama supporters, for the most part, are incapable of accepting the fact that Obama is just the same old song, in a new skin, albeit a darker shade, it is still the same...
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Poulenc1 year, 5 months ago
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The sad truth is that, for posters like Wolfie, there'll always be something about Barack and Michelle O. to deride.
That is, their--the posters'--racism and/or misogyny, never mind their discomfort with a political position that would portion power more equitably, is bottomless, even as both masquerade as reasonable objection.
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abntv1 year, 5 months ago
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Beau78901 year, 5 months ago
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Actually, that's not at all enough said.
Do you doubt what the site says about the smears against Obama and his wife? Or are you unwilling to believe anything that comes from those with whom you disagree?
FACTS are not spin. LIES and misrepresentations ARE spin.
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abntv1 year, 5 months ago
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FACTS are also not smears..
You cant call something that you dont like a lie if it is a fact.
Believing what is said works both ways.
Obama has some serious image problems this is just another way of dealing with them.
This website is spinning.
It is a good political move but it remains spin.
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Beau78901 year, 5 months ago
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You're right when you say "FACTS are also not smears."
But you may want to take another look at the rumors debunked on the website. The only thing there that could possibly be interpreted as spin rather than pure, irrefutable fact is in the interpretation of the out-of-context quotes from Obama's books.
I think we can all agree that statements and writings from candidates on both sides get taken out of context by their opponents in order to deliberately misrepresent their meanings.
Can't we?
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Candida1 year, 5 months ago
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abntv: "You cant call something that you dont like a lie if it is a fact."
True. However, your argument would be a lot more convincing if you could give a few examples of "facts" that are presented as lies on the site. Supporting those "facts" with evidence would be even better.
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TOD3961 year, 5 months ago
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"FACTS are not spin. LIES and misrepresentations ARE spin"
This statement isn't altogether accurate. Spin, for the most part, is facts that are placed in a very specific order, to lead someone to believe a certain way. I can easily quote facts and have you beleive in a certain manner, or re arrange different facts, and have you believe the exact opposite. It is all in the content and the postioning. Media has been doing this for years. I am surprised you didn't realize this...
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vidman041 year, 5 months ago
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Poulenc posted: "St. E.--so much HATRED! So much ANGER!
O.'s not trying to steal your first- (or second- or third- ) born, so why the incredible venom?
The kind of venom that makes you embrace any lie if you think it poisonous enough."
ROTFLMAO!!!! You libs really are nuts! You have the NERVE to post such a post after all the HATRED, ANGER, and LIES about President Bush are posted almost every day, on every story, even if the story isn't about Bush! Your hypocrisy is showing, and it's most unbecoming, but not surprising....
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Poulenc1 year, 5 months ago
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Ani, spare us, please.
Please!
Another case in which the sense of threat is wildly disproportionate to the reality, which is itself screwily interpreted, to say the least.
I mean: "...He lies, and discriminates against Muslim women, because Muslim men treat Muslim women like House pets."
When I read your posts, Ani, I envision two miserably unhappy crones trading scurrilous gossip over the back fence, each one egging the other on to even greater fabrication.
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tanglang1 year, 5 months ago
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Meanwhile he comes out with the "baby Alex" video that is complete bullisht. Someone should tell both that beeyatch in the video as well as Senator Barack Obama that Senator McCain never once said we will be in Iraq for 100 years, never once inplied any such thing, damn sure did not imply that we would still be fighting100 years from now and that WE HAVE A VOLUNTEER ARMY!!! If this c rag's kid wants to join the damn Army he will whether she likes it or not.
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 5 months ago
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''Senator McCain never once said we will be in Iraq for 100 years, ''
'maybe 100'
''damn sure did not imply that we would still be fighting 100 years''
actually what he said is even more ridiculous
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFknKVjuyNk
It will be fine with him as long as no americans are getting hurt or killed
uh huh
I'm sure the Iraqis will grow to love American occupation in a couple decades or maybe 8 or 9
keep waitin on them roses big Mac
And does this mean that McCain ISN'T 'fine' with American presence in Iraq lo these 5 years because Americans ARE getting hurt and killed?
Truth be told, I am not smart enough to even riff off how bizarre and goofy that clip is
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Goppy1 year, 5 months ago
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Who is this Laurel Michele person?
Does anybody know?
This member is makin me nervous. LM speaks rationally. This simply is not good for our Right Wing Jingo thing.
Laurel Michele, I dont spose theres any way I could convince you to come over to the Christian Conservative side?
You have to set aside some moral values.
Liek for instance ... we claim ... as part of our belief in Jesus ... that you can never have too much war and invadin other countries.
See? Thats pretty ding dang twisted. Yet we pull it off.
Then theres the whole thing bout spendin priorities. As Christians, youd think we would want to reach out to help the sick, the needy, the old and young poeple.
But, of course, youd be wrong.
We believe in tithin 40% of our nations wealth to fat cat military contracters!
See, these are the horrible, horrible hypocrisies that we have set for ourselfs by claimin the POLITICAL right, while ALSO claimin the rightness of our RELIGION!
It gets pretty ding dang messy.
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DeeWillyFree1 year, 5 months ago
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Goppy
You are quite an idiot. I can see that. I'm awfully happy you speak up as a Liberal Democrat. Every time someone of your limited experience and intellect goes to print for the LibDems, I feel encouraged as hell.
You begin by barfing out every stupid LibDem fake talking point there is and then shore up your position with false assumptions piled on erroneous logic. All this chicanery wrapped in a ******-poor mimic of HillBilly Humor.
The foundations of your arguments are made of pudding. Therefore every brick you add turns to something mushy, sloppy or gooey. Something rather, ummm ... goppy, you could say.
Go get 'em tiger!
Yuckingly easy,
DeeWilly
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 5 months ago
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from HeeHaw:
two severely reclined hillbillies in a house
'Cletus, they said it was 'posed to rain ta-day. You think it's raining?'
'Heck Clem, I dunno. Whydoncha call the dog in and see if'n he's wet'
spontaneous joke sure to suck:
Rufus's family tree not only doesn't fork, it spoons...
heeheheehee
not bad for off the cuff, but this stuff is harder than it looks
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 5 months ago
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that was awfully well-written for a non-specific attack on a guy
when you deride someone, it's useful to point out something specific they said and refute it
It's not enough to say someone has erroneous logic--you have to show your work-show how and why.
'Einstein didn't know what the hell he was talking about' amounts to the same as your post [don't get excited-just an example]
just an assertion floating about with no, what was it you said? oh, 'foundation'
but like I said it was a well-written piece of gossamer
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Poulenc1 year, 5 months ago
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Uh, Vid, you might consider the illogic of painting everyone with the same brush.
In your formulation, A can't criticize B for hating C if a group to which A belongs has demonstrated hatred for D.
Better put your thinking cap back on.
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Leemck021 year, 5 months ago
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Poulenc, it can be done, that is criticize, but not to say it is productive. I wondering if A, B or C will somehow touch on the issues. Someone wants to dip into your privacy without any process. Do you approve of that? Is it 'W"? If it is then it is not okay with some then can we criticize? Some are BSing about energy, leases in hand but no pumping, can we criticize? Wait, look like we have a trend. A bit of the "F" word going on. Please join us with your thinking cap.
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Leemck021 year, 5 months ago
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Chris-C, its just the smart thing to do, but isn't it sad that American politics has so many degenerates that it is necessary. Where is the national pride that everyone who is so upset about lapel pins, what Reverend Wright says or Michelle's comment when they tolerate a lying nation; one that a candidate has to do this to meet an actual group, such as the "Swift Boat" folk who are dedicated to lies and deceptions to cheat Americans from an informed choice. We Americans, are we so dumb that we can't hear for ourselves and understand? Why all the spin? We can't get news or information for hours of spin. For those who welcome the trash, then they are part of the problem.
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DeeWillyFree1 year, 5 months ago
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It appears there are two significant benefits for launching this website. Is a clever strategy, actually.
1) It employs the "Assumed Close" ... one of the oldest tricks in a Salesman's book. It begins with an 'assumption' and quickly delivers an action, based on that assumption. The assumption is, that poor Attacked Barak is being unfairly smeared every time someone mentions a negative. The fact is, the mention of a negative can be either true or untrue. It is simply something negative being mentioned. You will notice that every rumor (which of course can be either true or untrue) is entitled the "lie". This tactic, in and of itself speaks volumes about Obama's blatent disingenuosness.
2) The naked use of a seemingly "defensive" position to rake money from those he has freshly indoctrinated with the "Assumed Close" selling tactic. Get 'em while they're bathed in the moment.
Like I said . . . very clever. Dangerous and insidious as well.
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antibrainwasher1 year, 5 months ago
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What the freak do you call the swiftboaters? The liars who invented the war in Iraq? You call those murdering traitors dangerous and insidious? Rovian partisan doctrine breaking every law and actually firing justices who prosecute republican slime?
When dems combat the lies and distortions of political loyalist who hate america and americans except the 5% of the richest who own big oil and everything else, that dangerous and insidious.
Well, its dangerous and insideous to big oil the big zionist media and the religious right and the murders who lied us into the war.
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cushi1 year, 5 months ago
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Your post is a perfect example of the kind of "terrorist" tactics I described in an earlier post. You have done nothing but distort and cast doubt on the known purpose for the website for your own twisted purposes.
Hopefully, none but the already indoctrinated is buying what you're selling.
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Leemck021 year, 5 months ago
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DeeWillyFree, is that 'Swiftboat' smear operation out there pushing deceptions as we write? Will Obama get elected playing by the RNC play book or their surrogates, or anyone that is not a 'Con'? Are you mad, angry or upset that Obama learned from the stolen elections in the past? LoL, he really don't need you to be on his election committee, knowing the stuff about sales that you do. So you know why he is launching this wedsite as a 'clever' strategy, and it has nothing to do with being real? That post is a silly attempt at deception, just uninformed or an actual sample of someone deluded by the very reason Obama had to launch his site. Here is my sneaky attempt at mind control, a super-liminal sales suggestion: "Vote for change".
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cloud151 year, 5 months ago
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Obama is NOT a Muslim....plain and simple. You can change your religion at any point you wish, its not like blood.
But what I find a little hypocritical is the fact that the democrats are the party of inclusion, yet they bar certain people from being in the background on TV. We all know the ****** show that would be going on if McCain had done this. But hey, Obama did it so lets just ignore it and move on.
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 5 months ago
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'you liberals'
was it Rush that started that stuff back in the Clinton days, or do we have others to thank for this new piece of Americana?
you're just talking to one guy, so it should be, 'you, a liberal', no plural
'liberals' somehow has become like an ethnic or religious slur-the grouping and the 'you people' feel of it is the same
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cloud151 year, 5 months ago
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lol wtf are you talking about brainwasher? The women even asked for an apology from Obama so obviously they wanted to be in the picture. So no its not a swift boating lie, that would be calling Obama a Muslim when hes not. And I don't stoop down to that level. I offered an event that happened that shouldn't have. You can dismiss it as a lie if you wish, but that doesn't change the fact that it happened. But I guess you know the Muslim women's ethics better than the do.
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Leemck021 year, 5 months ago
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Cloud15, is it's kinda like when people got voted in as Democrats and then flipped, afterward, in mass to do that Republican hijack of congress leading to the Contract on America, reclaiming America. You know, about some that were KKK and now making Conservativism the philosophy of inclusion. They did it; and as you noted, now that we got over the character counts defense, "so lets just ignore it and move on". Many posts here show what your religion is, is not an issue for government. We aren't hating on a religion here are we? If it's Muslims today then it will be liberation theology, Baptist or Catholicism tomorrow and the issues go unnoticed.
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rimbaud1 year, 5 months ago
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You friggin Christians may be able to change your religion every weekend, but being a Muslim is not a hobby. It pervades every moment of your daily life. You don't make a venture with out saying "may god be willing", nor accept success without saying "praise god".
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cushi1 year, 5 months ago
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The fact that he was vilified and branded on the basis of 30 second sound bytes extracted from more than 20 years of sermons, for the malicious purpose of imprinting the idea of a hateful preacher and congregation in the minds of gullible, fearful people, leaves a lot to be said about the perpetrators of such a colossal fraud! The sad part is that the real haters are the people who promote this perversion of the truth with great gusto, knowing full well that it is a damnable LIE!
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Leemck021 year, 5 months ago
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NickyA, remind me, where was the church you went to on the issues of liberation or injustice? I ask as you brought 'Integrity' into the discussion, I want to know your association with it. What does your pastor teach? Does he teach choice, choose heaven or hell; those or lessor issues? Obama has a fine record himself, being the sort of person to overcome in a society that has 80 percent of people like him with prison records. He comes to a point to lead and he has to be concerned with someone who can't get over what a preacher said, and fails to demonstrate capacity to get that in the right context. I am concerned you are not likely to have ever done anything to help make a more perfect union; being in a weak misguided church that empowers someone to think they are of stature to condemn others from saving their bacon, when that same group wouldn't help. Would you agree that is a "hoot"?
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antibrainwasher1 year, 5 months ago
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Wow, I just heard from a reliable source in the McCain camp that McCain is an atheist.
McCain is an atheist. McCain is an atheist. He lost his christianity in the hanoi hilton.
He's a super senior, senile senator from snow bird blue hair paradise, can't keep alkida and arizona straight, or sunni-shiite, or Iran or Saudi Arabia straight, and now he's an atheist. Well, since he's an atheist, I'll vote for him.
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 5 months ago
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Maybe if it gets around that McCain is an atheist some of the folks who voted for Bush won't vote for him.
OK, we know how its done with Islam and radical Christian preachers, but how does one start a smear implying someone is an atheist?
psst, I heard McCain sleeps in on Sundays...
I heard he hangs around with some guy who read Nietzsche in college
oh yeah, I heard he laughs at priest and rabbi jokes
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 5 months ago
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why would I stand up for Obama? He's just another politician to me. I don't know the guy
I'm just trying to stand up for common sense.
I'm not trying to be sarcastic, I just like to start tapping keys and see if anything interesting comes out
Like the idea that it would hurt a guy's campaign if he was an atheist.
That's an interesting thing-what was that phrase from a couple years ago? 'My faith informs my decisions' or some such thing
Let's be honest Klarissa, we know many of the same people who voted for Bush plan on voting for McCain, and we know many who voted for Bush were of the religious persuasion.
I have a feeling if Bush campaigned the second time around as an apostate or atheist, he wouldn't have been elected [the margin was slim as it was]
so i don't see my post as sarcastic, just an entertaining 'what if' [entertaining perhaps to me alone]
and I don't know enough about political history to know if a 'he's an atheist don't vote for him' smear campaign ever happened
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Leemck021 year, 5 months ago
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DeadXXX, did you hear if he understands ecnomics or wants a war, even if it goes on for 100 years? In case you did not hear, we wanted to kill the Farm Bill, the one with the Enron Loophole, that allows $4 dollar and rising gas prices. Let's try innuendo: did he flip flop on offshore oil drilling? No matter that oil companies have leases to drill in America, in their hands, and won't drill to keep the prices up? Who cares about him being an atheist when what he stands for as the leader of the nation and free world is the question. Are we to look at his faith or lack of it, distracted from the screw job that is perpetrated on the people from the job he is supposed to manage? Not a 'W' Clone and he is down there with Gov Charlie Crist to deceive the nation on the reason for these unnecessary gas prices. Explain the implication on these items.
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 5 months ago
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''Who cares about him being an atheist''
that's what I was asking
who cares what religion or lack of religion a guys has
I don't think McCain talks about his religious beliefs much because he has trouble keeping less 'sensitive' stuff straight, and doesn't want to claim to be a Baptist one week and a Catholic the next.
He should write crib notes on his hand like I used to do in school. Just an initial to remind him what he believes about various issues
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TrueProgressive1 year, 5 months ago
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Leemck, very well put. I don't give a rat's a** whether Obama ever puts his hand over his heart or wears a flag lapel. These are issues the lunatic right drums up because both they have nothing of substance to say about our present condition, and if the vast majority of brain-dead Americans ever recovered enough of their faculties to "get" just how totally Bush and the American right has screwed them and this nation, there'd be revolution in the streets, and lowlifes like Alphanoxious and this idiot above, HMMace, would be run out of town tarred and feathered. After eight years of the little monkey brained degenerate defecating all over the very essence of what it means to be American, it does distress me that what people focus upon are snot ball issues like flag lapels and pledges of alligence.
And Mace, you really shouldn't be so eager to show the world you're a third grade dropout.
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