Appeals Court Rules for Guantanamo Detainee »
Posted By Neophile 1 year, 4 months ago in NewsA federal appeals court announced Monday that it has overturned the Pentagon's classification of a Guantanamo Bay detainee as an enemy combatant.
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simonsez1 year, 4 months ago
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hdthehn1 year, 4 months ago
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CHAM1 year, 4 months ago
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Give him a rowboat? Why? Why not put him on an airplane, send him home, and pay him for the 6 years he was held at Gitmo!
Did he do something wrong? What was it?
Look below for what I wrote to IanFraigun.
I ask you to google Mark Denbaux and Gitmo or Senate Hearing and Mark Denbeaux( because I don't remember the name of the Report to the Senate ). Might open your eyes to what's been going on there.
The immorality of the Bush Bunch is bottomless.
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jordan111 year, 4 months ago
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25 year it's a long time, not 6>>>>
Cool! Then you won't mind if I call the FBI, say you have a friend who knows someone, who has a cousin who might know someone who talked to someone about the taliban. Then they can pick you up, name you an enemy combatant, take you to their special place, and spend 6 years figuring it all out. A piece of cake, eh?
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markoller1 year, 4 months ago
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Varadinum is equivalent to a professional wrestling villian. Even a genuine fascist wouldn't say anything as inane as "25 year it's a long time, not 6." Nor would a genuine fascist, whose native language is English, embarrass himself by writing such a sentence. It should be, "Twenty-five years is a long time, not six."
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IanFraigun1 year, 4 months ago
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This has been the point all along. Just having someone say you are an enemy combantant does not make it so. Like any other criminal action it must be proven.
It took so long because the supreme court took until now to give these folks the opportunity to appear in court and attempt to prove they should not be held. If after 6 years our government cannot prove the accusation, and they can do it in secret if it involved classified information, to a court then the detained deserves to be set free.
In this society, no matter what the neocon's may wish to think, simply having the president or his designees say something does not make it so. Here you are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty but Bush and his underlings want you to prove your innocence without even giving you the benefit of knowing what you are supposed to have done wrong.
Small, but a first step getting us back to the constitutional republic we have always been and still should be.
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Candida1 year, 4 months ago
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Do you know what this reminds me of? Franz Kafka's novels, specifically the Castle and the Trial. For anyone who is interested in literature and hasn't read them yet, I strongly recommend them. You can probably find them in any library.
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CHAM1 year, 4 months ago
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Well said.
I've been on a soapbox for some time now ( after watching a Senate Hearing in December 2007 ) and then looking up the Governments case against 517 Gitmo detainees.
A Professor Mark Denbeaux of Seton Hall University and his group took the Governments own data and put it into a report and they delivered it to the Senate ( It was shown in its entirety on C-Span and as I said above, I watched the whole thing.
Long story short, something like 93% of the detainees were at Gitmo because they had been sold to the United States Army for a bounty. Nearly all of those rounded up and sold for the bounty were sold by either Pakistanis or Afghans.
The Chineese were living in Pakistan in a colony.
The most intresting thing to me was that many of the detainees were named as Enemy Combatants because they knew someone who knew someone who knew either an Al-queda or Taliban. Some were there because they had a Rolex watch.
We owe for those six years.
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Natureboy1 year, 4 months ago
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Emmis!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvqP9wTv_20
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unome21 year, 4 months ago
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We want truthful answers to questions such as:
1. Why were standard operating procedures for dealing with hijacked airliners not followed that day?
2. Why were the extensive missile batteries and air defenses reportedly deployed around the Pentagon not activated during the attack?
3. Why did the Secret Service allow Bush to complete his elementary school visit, apparently unconcerned about his safety or that of the schoolchildren?
4. Why hasn't a single person been fired, penalized, or reprimanded for the gross incompetence we witnessed that day?
5. Why haven't authorities in the U.S. and abroad published the results of multiple investigations into trading that strongly suggested foreknowledge of specific details of the 9/11 attacks, resulting in tens of millions of dollars of traceable gains?
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unome21 year, 4 months ago
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# 9/11 attacks, resulting in tens of millions of dollars of traceable gains?
# Why has Sibel Edmonds, a former FBI translator who claims to have knowledge of advance warnings, been publicly silenced with a gag order requested by Attorney General Ashcroft and granted by a Bush-appointed judge?
# How could Flight 77, which reportedly hit the Pentagon, have flown back towards Washington D.C. for 40 minutes without being detected by the FAA's radar or the even superior radar possessed by the US military?
# How were the FBI and CIA able to release the names and photos of the alleged hijackers within hours, as well as to visit houses, restaurants, and flight schools they were known to frequent?
# What happened to the over 20 documented warnings given our government by 14 foreign intelligence agencies or heads of state?
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unome21 year, 4 months ago
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11. Why did the 911 Commission fail to address most of the questions posed by the families of the victims, in addition to almost all of the questions posed here?
12. Why was Philip Zelikow chosen to be the Executive Director of the ostensibly independent 911 Commission although he had co-authored a book with Condoleezza Rice?
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MajJohn1 year, 4 months ago
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Stupid, irrelevant to the article questions all which could only be asked by a sycophant who plays up to all those wearing tin hats. To answer:
1. How do you know the SOP's were not followed? Where, and were they followed in most places? An undefendable allegation.
2. Batteries not deployed?? Where's the evidence?
3. Never happened, after the second plane hit, Bush left.
4. I witnessed bravery, if you saw incompetence you were hallucinating.
5. Can't publish something non existent. Are you saying foreign news sources are in collusion w/ our government?
6. Traceable gains? OK, what are they?
7. If Edmonds had a gag order then how do you know what he knew? Be specific, what did he say if anything before the gag order was enforced?
8. Flight 77 flew backwards, that's a laugh! It want over air space over my house while I listened to the news about the flight's course. So NBC knew and it and it was not on radar.
9. 10. Cont'd
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Endoscopy1 year, 4 months ago
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They are really stupid questions showing the ignorance of the one who asked them.
Also your comment shows your ignorance of the workings of our government. Go read a book about the separation of powers in the three branches of government.
Your intelligence is that of your avatar.
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CHAM1 year, 4 months ago
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mackie..
Had the same problem more than once. I was told it was my Browser and the Prop Software.
Your statement that the Chineese guy was a victim of bounty money certainly agrees with the Senate Hearing I alluded to above. I should have put a link in to that site so hear it is:
Sorry
I can paste in the address, but when it is "in" the person clicking on the link goes to the wrong story>
To get there google Mark Denbeaux Gitmo Senate Hearing that will get you there for sure.
Once there you can read the story and actually bring up the Report.
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CHAM1 year, 4 months ago
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http://law.shu.edu/center_policyresearch/report...
Here is a link to the "Thirty Released Gitmo Detainees who returned to the battlefield against Americans" urban legend.
Please read all 22 pages of the official report with Justice Scalia as a participant to really see how rotten the disinformation is that comes from this Administration.
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Daylight1 year, 4 months ago
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You call a country,an axis of evil, then you invade in the name of Democracy and freedom and bomb their country, destroy their poor infrastructure and other facilities. When they resist you and fight you back,you pick some of them up or put pressure on your puppet regimes who live on your hand out to hand some imaginary enemies of yours, and you name them enemy combatant. America is really misguided by the misguided and retarded leader Bush.
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markoller1 year, 4 months ago
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I have not posted for a while, since it was occupying every waking moments, but now I find that unome2 is a LIHOP shill. Say it isn't so. Flights AA 11 and AA 77 never took off on 9/11/2001, and it is quite likely that UA 175 landed in Cleveland. And how many times must it be repeated that jet crashes were no more credible than a cartoon character running into a mountain and creating a body shaped tunnel?
I visited the propeller blog because I just learned that the man hanged as Saddam Hussein was one of his doubles. See http://tinyurl.com/3nl4ct http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/05-16-05/discu...
For more information on the tactics used by shills or "spooks," click http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread36010...
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KISA452a1 year, 4 months ago
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I guess it's a good thing this has finally happened. Of course, the problem is that if you use some sort of classified information to reach the designation, then you blow your sources keeping a small fry in jail. On the other hand, I'm not sure that happened in this case. It certainly seems there should be some sort of over-sight for the Enemy Combatant designation. Even a FISA sort of court that looks at classified matters. Giving the president and military sole ability to apply any such term is never a good idea.
For those who think it's a good idea (generally people from the right from what I see), do you really want Obama, and then Clinton to have that power? Who will they declare and Enemy combatant or terrorist? Already terms like economic terrorism to describe the fact that minorities are poorer than whites are floating around. Just wait til someone declares anyone with money a terrorist...
Just keep both sides in mind.
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markoller1 year, 4 months ago
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KISA452a,
All the official lies about the 'war on terror' have been refuted with nearly mathematical certainty. So, either refute all the facts, or go to North Korea where you belong, assuming the North Korean government will associate with your kind. Refusing to provide any arguments, besides ad hominems, is an admission that you are a liar and murderer. The same goes for every shill on the propeller blog.
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TheNewsseeker1 year, 4 months ago
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I am very glad to read this. The Uigurs are a surpressed minority at home and should not be treated worse in America.
The state of an enemy combattant that takes away from the detainees all the rights granted by the convention of Geneva had to be inacceptable for a democratic country. A constitution is not only given for the sunny days, but it has to prove its quality and resistance in more difficult times as well. So, a country that is willing to grant constitutional rights even for its enemies has shown much more strenghth than by creating a two-class-law.
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