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TheNewsseeker1 year, 6 months ago
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Teens should not get restricted like that! They should experience sexuality as one of the greatest gifts god gave to us, men and women. They have to make use of it with responsibility, but it should never cause fear and shame.
A surpressed sexuality, burdened with the idea of sin, is much more dangerous than the natural discovery of the other sex, whenever it is the right time. Nevertheless, it is very necessary to talk about the dangers of an early pregnancy at school. But abstinence is only one method of preservation. The chemical, biological and "mechanical" ones should also be introduced to the kids.
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DropkickaLib1 year, 6 months ago
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david_nwpa1 year, 6 months ago
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Kids need ethics, not morality. They can tell the difference between right and wrong without having "sin" enter the equation. If they want to learn about that, let them get it in church on Sunday. If parents want to teach that at home, then fine. Just keep it out of the schools.
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Coatl1 year, 6 months ago
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The main problem about that is that not all worldviews agree in the meaning of sin. Sin to a muslim kid, would have a different meaning to a jew kid, or to a catholic kid, or to a lutheran kid, or to a budhist kid, etc. Not to mention an atheist kid.
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DropkickaLib1 year, 6 months ago
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Tangent0011 year, 6 months ago
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"Why do I have to adhere to the relgious values of another society?"
You don't.
By the same token, why should someone else have to adhere to the values of YOUR religion?
Teaching ethics in lieu of 'morality' is about logical consequences, harm reduction and personal responsibility, rather than subjective notions of 'sin'.
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DropkickaLib1 year, 6 months ago
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antibrainwasher1 year, 6 months ago
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Greeks, chinese, africans, egyptians...all had ethics, mores. 10,000 years later, jews came up with the greates whopper ever told, and 500 years later, the english/irish/germans added chapter two, claiming all mores came from the baby jesus.
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Coatl1 year, 6 months ago
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I thought the basis of US laws (and most of the Western Law Codes) were the Roman Laws. But let's say that indeed your religion is the basis of the US Laws and Values, are the current US values only of one religion or worldview? And if so, how would making everyone else adhere to those values would be different from Saudi Arabia imposing Sharia law to almost everyone?
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DropkickaLib1 year, 6 months ago
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Coatl1 year, 6 months ago
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But the Roman Law was already stablished long before the first Christian Emperor. Anyway, still how making all of those who aren't of a certain branch of christianty adhere to the values of whatever branch you're following a good thing? How would that be different of what Saudi Arabia does?
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DropkickaLib1 year, 6 months ago
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Once again, British and American Law dates back to the Anglo-Saxons and Germanic law. The basic values of Christianity are quite uniform. I don't remember seeing anyone executed for adultry or homosexuality according to Christian mores.
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Coatl1 year, 6 months ago
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"The basic values of Christianity are quite uniform."
Probably, but not the concept of "sin" itself. Last time I checked to recieve a blood transfusion is a sin to JW, but not to many other branches of Christianity and to use any anticonceptive measure is a sin to a catholic, but not to most of lutherans, to name a few, so wich version of christian values you would like to see imposed to everyone in the US?
You could say that those that are mentioned in the bible, but catholics and protestans don't even have all the same books in their bibles.
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jordan111 year, 6 months ago
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I thought the basis of US laws (and most of the Western Law Codes) were the Roman Laws>>>>
English Common Law (see magna carta prior to christianity going to England) from which habeas corpus sprung, Solon of ancient Greece (first democracy) influenced it, Republicanism (not to be confused with this republican party), Philosophers Rousseau, Locke, Montesquieu, & Voltaire from the Enlightenment period, & so on. Christ also had a strong influence, but that was separate from the dogma of the rest of the christian bible, (as the framers writings made clear).
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mesodude1 year, 6 months ago
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"My religion just happens to be the basis for our society's social mores and laws."
--LOL...Dicky, if you're not gonna be serious we should talk about something else. Anyway, Dicky, lots of countries have way lower teen pregnancy rates than us and they achieve this without resorting to lies, emotional bullying and scare tactics. They also don't have to flush billions of dollars down the toilet on programs that are proven to be utterly useless. As inconceivable as this might sound, sometimes America doesn't know best, Dicky? Ponder that... ;-(
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DropkickaLib1 year, 6 months ago
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Whoooa there pricky,
Your Leftist ideology and the destruction of the family has directly led to the current teen pregnancy figures. Exploding rates of divorce and illegitimacy have directly led to rising poverty among abandoned children, thank to Libs like you pricky! Ponder that!
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Tangent0011 year, 6 months ago
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As I've pointed out elsewhere, the rate of unwanted pregnancy has DECLINED over the past 2 decades. As for divorce/illegitimacy/poverty, I would say there is more evidence that poverty is the CAUSE of divorce (and therefore illegitemacy) than the other way 'round. Of course, they feed into each other, but financial problems are the #1 cause of divorce in the US.
Divorce rates were lowest when the middle class was strongest. Now, let's see...which party has done more to squeeze out the middle class? Hmmm...
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mesodude1 year, 6 months ago
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"Your Leftist ideology and the destruction of the family has directly led to the current teen pregnancy figures. Exploding rates of divorce and illegitimacy have directly led to rising poverty among abandoned children, thank to Libs like you pricky! "
--OMG, Dicky...Ok breeeeathe. You're spinning out of control there buddy. Is defending Bush's failed, criminal and deadly domestic policy worth a stroke? Simmer down and tell us what's really on your mind. ;-(
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mesodude1 year, 6 months ago
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"By the same token, why should someone else have to adhere to the values of YOUR religion?"
--It's cause we are Americans and we always know what's best for everyone else. Our motto is "We are here to serve and protect you, you won't like it. We don't care. " ;-P We're here to protect all the peoples of the world and if they have oil reserves, we will protect their oil, too. ;-)
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HannibalBarca1 year, 6 months ago
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Candida1 year, 6 months ago
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Well, , you have reached the limit of my patience. You may call Canada a frozen wasteland, but you will not knock Canadian beer! I just won't stand for it! One more comment like this, and I'll jump into the big name-calling competition!
(How this got here I don't know. It's a response to DropkickaLib.)
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mesodude1 year, 6 months ago
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"This was supposed to be a reply to mesostupid. Well Pricky, I'm sure you'd love to nationalize every profitable enterprise in the country. Right Pricky? Cheap and easy like an Obama girl, right Pricky?"
Oh...There you are, Dicky, ya lil squirt. Hehe...You're just like a tiny shrivelled up lil pitiful worm squirmin on a fish hook in the hot summer sun. Now where were we? I lost my train of thought, Dicky. Oh, yeah...All we poor liberals want is taxpayer subsidized salaries, health insurance, life insurance and pensions like Bush and the Republicans and their family members get. If you can pay for Laura's rawhide chews and Barney's stylist, can't ya just find it in your heart and wallet to pay for my dental insurance too, Dicky? In the name of plaque and gingivitis control, have a heart, Dicky!!! ;-(
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mesodude1 year, 6 months ago
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"You can love without tacitly accepting anything presented to you."
--But, Dicky, I'm sure you'll agree with me that there should be exceptions. Like, say, you're Shell and ExxonMobil and the "present" being accepted is billions in welfare from Bush and the GOP. Sure, it's our tax dollars that are being used to subsidize the most profitable industry in the history of industries but we're talking BILLIONS of American taxpayer dollars, Dicky! When Bush and Republicans waved biillions of your tax dollars under their noses, what else could Big Oil execs *do* but jump all over it? After all, it's money, and not unlike Katherine Harris trying to score at a GOP convention, it was cheap, easy, and best left forgotten. So who are you to *judge* them, Dicky?!!! ;-x
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david_nwpa1 year, 6 months ago
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Kids need to learn about ethics, not morality. They can learn the difference between right and wrong at an early age without introducing the concept of "sin" which brings with it a goodly amount of guilt. If parents want their children to be indoctrinated at home or in church, fine, that is their role as parent. That said, keep the religious speak out of public schools.
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david_nwpa1 year, 6 months ago
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Kids need to learn about ethics, not morality. They can learn the difference between right and wrong at an early age without introducing the concept of "sin" which brings with it a goodly amount of guilt. If parents want their children to be indoctrinated at home or in church, fine, that is their role as parent. That said, keep the religious speak out of public schools.
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HannibalBarca1 year, 6 months ago
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Seems your pick for POTUS has a different view of Canada, try reading McC's speach here last week, makes you look like a fool, which isn't hard....Ohhh you are just cracking me up with your feeble attempts at, hell I don't know what to call it...ROTFLMAO
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dunkirk1 year, 6 months ago
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ROFLMAO, yeah lets turn out droves of maladjusted people, especially when the hormones say yes yes and they suddenly have this dilemma of a natural urge being called a sin. Seems a very high percentage of the serial killers and sexual predators abounding today had a very strict religious background that covered pretty much what you want.
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dunkirk1 year, 6 months ago
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ROFLMAO, go back and look again Droopy. Seems the background of most of the serial killers and child predators is defined by strict religious training. Altho Im a little confused on th ecult member reference since whne Clinton moved against them you seemed to indicate that wasnt right. NOW it seems they are liberal and morally bankrupt. So if they are liberal you can of course explain why they normally have their members shun outsiders? Seems if they were liberal they would be open to new ideas since that is the definition of a liberal not oroitecting the status quo at all costs which seems to be the defnition of a conservative. Hmmmmmmmm flip flopping away there Droopy. Seems you and Mrs White would get aloing fine.
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dunkirk1 year, 6 months ago
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Well Ill be. Spinner after looking at your other post Ive figured out what your probblem is. Your trying to sound out ROFLMAO using phonics and its just stopping you cold. ROFLMAO, it would take a righty to do that see in internet lingo it means Rolling On the Floor Laughing My As* Off. WHich is what most people do when they read your posts. Hope that helps.
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mesodude1 year, 6 months ago
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"Kids could use a dose of old fashioned teaching about the meaning of "sin", an actual sense of values that doesn't involve living like a dog in the park, humping everything that sits still for them."
No thanks. Put an electronic monitoring device on *your* kids zippers, monitor their every move until they flee your household in fear of suffocating from your militaristic approach to parenting and let the rest of us educate our kids about sex and morality as we see fit. If the right wing has taught us anything over the past decade or so it's that playing sex police will eventually come back and bite you in the @ss--which, now that I think about it, has been great fun and quite comical to see among Republicans. Again, keep your kids ignorant, fearful and repressed all you want. Just stay the hell out of everyone else's parenting.
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DropkickaLib1 year, 6 months ago
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Right, the hedonistic approach taken by the Left works much better. Just look at the statistics. A quarter of adults in NYC have Herpes. It would be comical if it weren't so tragic to see the results of the Left's assault on traditional morality.
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HannibalBarca1 year, 6 months ago
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DropkickaLib1 year, 6 months ago
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Go Canadians Go...away! Sorry, the President usually passes the budget by me but for some reason this one hasn't. As a fiscal Conservative, I'm not in favor of our inflationary spending and frequently say so. The Dems aren't fixing the spending and don't intend to. They'll just refocus the spending.
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HannibalBarca1 year, 6 months ago
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HannibalBarca1 year, 6 months ago
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Hey my comment went back to ronnie, so 16 years of ronnie and the shrub couldn't do what 8 years of clint did and you answer with Carter????????? Brilliant. And remember we are only talking about a surplus here, don't go spinning off somewhere else like you are so prone to.
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DropkickaLib1 year, 6 months ago
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Propeller did it again, wtagg. You haven't been reading closely enough. McCain has an energy policy and offers the best alternative with respect to successfully prosecuting the war. He also has a proven track record of fiscal discipline with respect to earmarks unlike the current Dem leadership. How can you support them?
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Tangent0011 year, 6 months ago
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*SIGH*
There are no studies that show increased 'hedonism' in New York, much less that such 'hedonism' contributes directly to the higher instance of HSV-2. HSV-2 can spread from host to new victim through any exchange of bodily fluid or through contact with an active lesion, even simple skin-to-skin contact when the virus is shedding during early stages of infection. Opportunistic diseases have a higher rate of occurrence in densely populated areas. New York in the SINGLE MOST densely populated city in the US.
All the more reason to have adequate and comprehensive public education, rather than relying on outdated and provably dangerous methods that focus on NON-information.
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mompro1 year, 6 months ago
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Like the lefty's are the only one's responsible for the ethics nightmares of the Republican's in the last 8 years involving harrassed interns and public toilet f-ups. If that's the basis for morality I am baffled to say the least. Which lefty was holding their hands during that. Who was trying to cover it up to save the almighty Florida from turning over a new leaf?
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mesodude1 year, 6 months ago
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"Right, the hedonistic approach taken by the Left works much better. Just look at the statistics. A quarter of adults in NYC have Herpes. It would be comical if it weren't so tragic to see the results of the Left's assault on traditional morality."
--Dicky, stop yankin my chain. lol Now you know hedonism comes in many flavors, varieties and combos. But cons are just kinda selective about which ones they like and don't like and what they will do under the table or behind a restroom stall. Example...Cons say there is nothing wrong with making oodles and oodles of money (even if it means choking the life out of our planet) and wingers tell me the oil companies shouldn't feel any moral ickyness for loving up their con-given corporate welfare. God helps them who helps themselves or something like that.
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Candida1 year, 6 months ago
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DropkickaLib: "A quarter of adults in NYC have Herpes"
And they are all liberals?
It seems to me that keeping kids ignorant is the best way to spread VD.
Abstinence would prevent it, but be realistic. How many people, including the most religious, really abstain before marriage and remain 100% faithful during marriage? Feeling guilty afterwards doesn't help to prevent VD.
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