Momentum Building For Bugliosi's Case Against George W. Bush For Murder »
Posted By jovial 1 year, 5 months ago in Arts & EntertainmentFor Vincent Bugliosi, one of America's foremost prosecutors and authors, George W. Bush's purposeful crime of misleading America into war is a vile, despicable and prosecutable act. It angers Bugliosi deeply. So much so that he's written a new book, "The Prosecution Of George W. Bush For Murder."
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jovial1 year, 5 months ago
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FTA:
"I want to state that in writing this book my motivation was not political. Whether I'm giving a final summation to the jury or writing one of my true crime books, credibility has always meant everything to me. Therefore, my only master - my only mistress - are the facts and objectivity. And this is why I can give you a 100% guarantee that if a Democratic president had done what George W. Bush did, I would have written the same exact book."
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Poulenc1 year, 5 months ago
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Amazon link to the book:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/159315481X/ref...
Though very sympathetic to the premise, one question I have is, can Bush be prosecuted for lying (unless perjury, not a crime), especially in light of the fact that Congress authorized the use of force in Iraq?
But then, we're talking about two exclusive acts....
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jovial1 year, 5 months ago
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Fraud overrides consent. He addressed that issue in the one of the youtube videos in the post. Here's the link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbcoPShwvtM
I think the term he used was visciates.
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bubba21 year, 5 months ago
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I hope that Bugliosi can do something or get enough people in power to do something, because Congress is just as bad as Bush anymore.
Even the Democrats - except for a few that have attempted to try to do the right thing - are just as pathetic and crooked as the Republicans currently there and the Republicans they replaced.
It is beyond disgusting. Money controls everything - even elections and who can even RUN for an office.
95% of the people in this country are being screwed and I just don't know, at this point, how it can be stopped.
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jovial1 year, 5 months ago
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Yes, I think that was what he was implying. I think what he was saying that the fraud of not including the entire intelligence to the Congress by omission vitiates the Congress of wrongdoing and puts the blame right back on the Bush Administration.
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Poulenc1 year, 5 months ago
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jovial1 year, 5 months ago
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Thanks, Poulenc. I also would like for to you to read (at your leisure) this NY times article. It sets the basis for this type of association. Let's go back in time... There was a scandal brewing in Washington. The president at that time Was Ronald Reagan.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=...
"The Congressional committees on the Iran-contra affair blamed President Reagan in their final report today for failing to live up to his constitutional mandate to ''take care that the laws be faithfully executed'' and said he bore ''the ultimate responsibility'' for wrongdoing by his aides."
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donald511 year, 5 months ago
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Pou, you ask if he is personally liable... does the buck not stop at his desk? We elected him (at least 51% of foolish America did) and he chose all the freaking losers ans liars that work for him.... he is absolutely and untimately responsible!
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Poulenc1 year, 5 months ago
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OK, it appears that "getting" Bush would work jurisdictionally; that is, B. believes that there's a set jurisdictional basis for attorneys general in each of the fifty states, plus "hundreds of district attorneys," to prosecute Bush for the murder of any soldier from their state or counties killed fighting in "Bush's war."
Or maybe there's more than one MO.
Hmmm. Still need to research this further....
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Poulenc1 year, 5 months ago
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donald511 year, 5 months ago
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...how about for water torture for which we helped hang 3 Japanese after WW2! Preemptive war allowed us to hang 11 Natzis then too!
How about we get the Cheney Energy Meeting minutes declassified to see that it was all lies for oil!
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Poulenc1 year, 5 months ago
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OK, this from an article in the Nation:
Bugliosi: "So what I'm talking about here is very real. I've established jurisdiction in this book for prosecutors on a state or federal level to go after President Bush. With the literally hundreds of prosecutors out there and the powerful evidence of guilt I've set out, it's hard to believe there's not at least one prosecutor, maybe more, courageous enough to say this is America, and in America no man is above the law...."
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donald511 year, 5 months ago
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If the CIA can refer the outing of one of their agents to the Bush Justice Department only to have her eventual civil case thrown out... then only a Dem president can right the ship in the Justice Department to see any real justice.
The Bush Justice department has persued only reverse discrimination cases, stonewalled every case of reported contractor fraud and abuse from overseas, allowed Blackwater immunity to kill innocents, fired repug prosecutors who went after both Dems and Repugs, failed to back any Dem Congress subpoenas/contempt charges, allowed tortore contrary to Geneva, allowed eavedropping contrary to the FISA law, and allowed American contractor women (at least 24 now) to be raped without justice in the Green Zone.
Oh, how we can thank those values voters for Dumya!
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silvera1 year, 5 months ago
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I've always thought of Vincent Bugliosi as a grandstanding, self-promoting gasbag. BUT, if he can pull this off he'll go right to the top of my list as a true American hero. G.W. Bush needs to be held accountable for so many things that the "759 characters" I have left here would not begin to do them justice. Life without parole, at the very least for the miserable, wretched little man.
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OldHickory1 year, 5 months ago
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I am far from being a defender for King George but let's be realistic. If you're going to indict him for Iraq, then how about condemning Truman for Korea and Kennedy for Viet Nam. It seems like the radlibs forget that Congress was also complicit in the decision. Before you start impeaching anybody you need a crash course in the way government works in this country. Getting involved in a land war in Asia was not a unilateral decision and when BO claims he will bring the troops home he is pandering to the naivete and emotions of those too ignorant to realize the vacuum that would be created in that part of the world by removing America's presence indiscriminately.
Semper fi.
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bubba21 year, 5 months ago
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The Republicans taught us the way government works in this country in the 1990s when they tried to impeach Bill Clinton for lying about his sex life.
Yet you say that Bush cannot be impeached for lying about starting a war?? Baloney!
Truman is dead and Kennedy is dead. But if you want to posthumously indict them, feel free.
Bush and Cheney are alive and well while millions of Iraqis are homeless, dead, diseased, maimed, and living in poverty, and thousands of our soldiers are dead while tens of thousands of others are maimed for the rest of their lives. ALL of that damage is a result of the LIES of Bush and his cronies.
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svensun1 year, 5 months ago
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Right, Bubba2, SEXUAL HARRASSMENT is now defined, BY YOU, as part of one's sex life?!?!?!?
Never heard of Paula Jones, did you?
Never knew she had filed a sexual harrassment lawsuit against your boy, Bubba1, did you?
Never had the time to read a bit and learn that Bubba1 LIED while being deposed for THAT SEXUAL HARRASSMENT lawsuit, did you?
'lying about his sex life'?
Get a clue, will you.
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bubba21 year, 5 months ago
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There will be NO "vacuum" created by pulling our troops out of Iraq. We have NO business being there. The Iraqis want us OUT of their country. Our occupation of Iraq has been the REAL catalyst for the rise in the number of terrorists and the hate of America by so many in so many other countries.
ANYONE that thinks that there is no crime there is just as amoral and selfish and deluded as Bush and Cheney.
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svensun1 year, 5 months ago
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Bubba2:
"The Iraqis want us OUT of their country."
Right, Bubba, I supposed you learned this 'fact' from the same source where you learned ALL ABOUT the Clinton impeachment, as well.
Your 'analysis' of terrorism, post Iraq-invasion, is as fantastical as the rest of your knowledge of recent history.
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svensun1 year, 5 months ago
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Well, it seems poor ol' Vince has descended into a state of raving lunacy somewhat approximating that of his old pal, Charlie.
Based on the comments and references to the book made here, it sounds as if Charlie sometimes makes more sense than Mr. Bugliosi.
Kind of makes one wonder if Charlie got a fair trial...
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stormtrooper1 year, 5 months ago
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We did'nt have to go to Iraq or Afganistan for that matter. All we needed to do was find out which countries (and we have) the suicide bombers came from , the twin towers, and the New york parking garage and any others. With that info we send a B52 strike taking out strategic sites in each country involved followed by a phone call that would go something like this " Hey Ackmed how'd you like...now if just one more of your terrorist escapes your country and causes the U.S. or any U.S. citizen any harm we will be back to wipe you and your terrorist off the face of the planet we will not discriminate who gets a bomb shove up their A$$, the ball is in your court"
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bigurn1 year, 5 months ago
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Really. He'd do the same thing if Bush were a Democrat? Where was Bugliosi during the Clinton impeachment, then? Where was his high moral standing then?
And he made his presentation to this: Bugliosi's presentation blew the roof off the venue at the Los Angeles' Great Mind series, hosted by Progressive Democrats of America, and co-sponsored by CODEPINK, LAProgressive.com and several other grassroots groups. Bugliosi held the audience spellbound as he guided it down the twisted path of Bush's hedonism and criminality.
CODEPINK, LAProgessive.com? These are not middle-of-the-road groups. They are extremely liberal groups.
The impeachment movement is still in the radical left, and lacks legal standing. The intelligence that has everyone upset was known to everyone, Congress included. This will go nowhere.
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