Overlooked: Sonar and Navy »
Posted By Dakota 1 year, 4 months ago in NewsLast week, the Supreme Court agreed to review the case of Winter v. NRDC, a case ostensibly about the Navy's use of sonar during military training exercises, but in reality about the extent of President Bush's power in influencing court decisions.
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bigurn1 year, 4 months ago
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Sonar used in active mode will find a target, but will show the target where the sound waves are coming from. The Navy rarely uses active sonar except in actual hunting exercises, and usually from a sonar drone and not a ship. The most common sonar is passive arrayed sonar, which collects sound and doesn't emit it.
The evidence thus far is not conclusive, and is clouded by our own lack of understanding of the behavior of whales. The 9th District essentially pronounced the Navy guilty without any scientific evidence.
Certainly there needs to be more studied here, and certainly we should think about national security. China is quietly building the world's largest sub fleet, and they are a world power.
Good article here: http://www.holology.com/whale.html
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injest1 year, 4 months ago
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Good link big, I noticed it was updated June 2008, strange they left "Chinese sub pops up middle of U.S. Navy exercise" out. Guess it didn't fit their narrative.
"The pervasive diesel sub threat propounded by the Navy seems unlikely.
Although they are stealthy when using electric power underwater they must surface to run very loud diesel generators to recharge their batteries.
This tactical role suits most countries such as Iran or China fine but the threat they pose to American forces would seem to be rather limited, basically the unlikely possibility of a stealthy rogue sub sneaking up on an American carrier battle group patrolling foreign waters.
"unlikely possibility of a stealthy rogue sub sneaking up on an American carrier battle group"
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Dionys1 year, 4 months ago
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"The evidence thus far is not conclusive, and is clouded by our own lack of understanding of the behavior of whales. The 9th District essentially pronounced the Navy guilty without any scientific evidence. "
Isn't this what Creationists say about Evolution? The evidence is fairly conclusive. When the Subs use active radar, whales, porposes, dolphins, and other cetaceans tend to beach themselves in the vicinity or act extremely out of character in dangerous ways.
The danger, though, isn't in that (so much) but it is in the fact that BushCo tried to overturn a legal ruling based on the assertion of the idea of a 'unitary executive.' Much like he does with every signing statement where he says he is going to violate the law without regard.
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injest1 year, 4 months ago
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"The fact that this case has made it to the Supreme Court says it's not about the rule of law, but about the usurpation of our Constitution by the career criminals in the White House."
A truly stupid statement. This case goes back to 1997. Do a little research so you know the basics of what is being said.
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CrusaderRabbit1 year, 4 months ago
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This administration has totally ignored the Constitution feeling it gets a 'free pass' after 9/11 and the war in Iraq. This is just another area feel justified using the cover of 'national security.' Hopefully this election will begin to put big business, military interests and the republican power brokers in their place. Our personal freedoms, ecology and economy have been destroyed and its time for everyone to stand up and make a change on the local, state and national level.
We need to reclaim our voice in the affairs of this nation. It is time to take back the government from the fear mongers, militarists and big business. We need to take control as citizens and guide the government in our best interests, not be guided by the best interests of our government.
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Cityslicker1 year, 4 months ago
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Must have been a slow day at Nutscape , I mean now writing stories on e-mails sent between Nutscape employees .
Whales are smart , at least smarter than this person gives them credit for .
I though the Greenies already did the "Save the Whales" campaign , must have missed that one .
Cousteau use side scanning sonar for exploring , and they are the keepers of the Seas so to speak !
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