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Posted By gamahuche 1 year, 6 months ago in NewsGoogle has been ordered to turn over YouTube user data to Viacom. But Viacom will be guilty of contempt of court if it uses that data for anything other than specifically proving the prevalence of piracy on YouTube, a source close to Viacom told CNET News.com on Thursday.
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gamahuche1 year, 6 months ago
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On Wednesday night, a federal judge ruled that Google must turn over YouTube user activity--videos watched, IP addresses, usernames--to legal foe Viacom as part of a long-running copyright infringement case. But the source told CNET News.com that a heavy protective order is in place that will keep individuals' personal information cloaked.
The court's protective order stipulates that data turned over to Viacom by Google must be used for the sole purpose of proving Viacom's claim against Google that YouTube is a hotbed of pirated video content, the sources said. Viacom will not have direct access to the YouTube user data, the source said. Access is restricted to outside counsel and experts.
Viacom, therefore, is forbidden from targeting individual users in the manner of the RIAA's lawsuits against individuals found to be downloading illegal music.
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gamahuche1 year, 6 months ago
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A silver lining to the dark cloud of invasion of privacy?
Lets hope so.
The sceptic in me is not convinced, however.
Once that information has been collated and duplicated it seems unlikely that it will ever be thrown away - and it can obviously be copied by anyone who has access to it.
It seems highly probable that either officially by the government or unofficially by some private party it will be retained and at some point in the future it will be improperly utilised or shared.
I notice that the article doesn't even discuss its future destruction.
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splitrch1 year, 6 months ago
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What is piracy exactly? If someone sends me a You Tube video and I watch it am I guilty of "piracy"? If it's a song from an old album is that piracy? What if it's an old music video of the same song? Maybe that's not piracy? What are they going to do - shut down You Tube or Google or companies like that? Probably it's the corporate piranhas beginning to feed on each other.
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Candida1 year, 6 months ago
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I understand the posting part, but why do they need any information on the people who watch it? As someone who watches a youtube video, how would I know whether it's pirated material? If all they want to prove is that copyrighted material is watched more than user generated material, then all they need is the number of times each has been watched. If they want to prove that there is a lot of copyrighted material on youtube, then all they need is the content. What use is the information on who watches them?
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Endoscopy1 year, 6 months ago
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Wrong. Piracy is getting copyrighted music, videos, or movies that you did not pay for. It is legal to give music etc. to someone if you paid for it and do not retain the item for yourself. Technically if someone gives you something like that it is your responsibility to insure that it is not pirated. Technically you are not allowed to rip the songs from a CD and put them on another CD as well as play them on your computer or ipod. Also if you obtain legally something for use on your computer and put it in your ipod that is piracy unless you obtain it from a site that gives you permission to have it several places. Apple is good about that.
In this case youtube is on the receiving end and that allows a lot of people to download what is on their site. If it is copyrighted material they are liable.
That is the legal side and I think it sucks.
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Mutainia1 year, 5 months ago
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IF anyone is going to be guilty here, it will be YouTube, for THAT is the place where videos are stored. Users just accesss them like one would access Wiki. I sure hope and pray that they don't shut down YouTube. It's a free and fantastic learning tool. I've learned so much about Islam through it, for ONE thing. AND, got to meet a lot of great people on it like "investigateislam".
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obiefrommuskogee1 year, 6 months ago
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That data would be worth a lot sold. How can they control a sale of the data. They can't.
Just in time for the election...
No reason to trust it will be used with the strict limitations mentioned. Once the data is out there, it's out there.
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memestryker1 year, 6 months ago
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gama,
I'm with you. It's one thing to have to provide aggregate data without details, but in this case, IP addresses and usernames and other data will be divulged, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see how quickly private information could start sublimating into the ether.
I watch Viacom videos, but I do it from Comedy Central's webpage rather than youtube.
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WildWes991 year, 6 months ago
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And Viacom's statement that the data won't include personally identifiable information is an outright lie! They will have your username and IP address. While they aren't being handed your real name and address yet, these are still personally identifiable pieces of information and could subsequently be used to force Google and your internet provider to turn over your name and address. Google has asked the court if they can anonymize the logs before turning over the data.
I think this whole case is ridiculous! Viacom earns advertising revenue when their shows air on TV. Youtube doesn't diminish this and they aren't losing money. If anything, it's extra exposure for their shows. Reminds me of the shortsightedness when the VCR came out and the studios tried to kill the technology. Ironically VCR and DVD sales ended up as a cash cow for them. Greed - PURE GREED!!!
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tkyrchncs1 year, 6 months ago
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Candida1 year, 6 months ago
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For that, all they need is the number of different IP addresses or IDs, not the actual addresses or IDs. Obviously, the people who unknowingly watched copyrighted material will not be forced to pay for it. That would be ridiculous.
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Natureboy1 year, 6 months ago
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richtech1 year, 6 months ago
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Make sure it is http://www.Scroogle.ORG --- that's with .ORG on the end. The site with .COM on the end of the name is a sex site.
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gamahuche1 year, 6 months ago
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unless its the sex-site that you're looking for..
[Don't you hate the way that if you mistype one letter of an address there's someone lurking there whose whole life-purpose is to lay in wait for you and s/he's ready to hit you with spam, malware, etc. etc!]
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CHAM1 year, 6 months ago
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Gama, I just commented on another article and in it I mentioned that there are two "real" sources of data that heven't to my knowledge yet been subverted by our paranoid Government - The Internet and C-Span.
But as I recall Bush last year ( thru Homeland Security )started an initiative to censor the Internet as to content and also to mine the traffic for potential terrorist leanings of American citizens. There was to be a committee to be formed to search this traffic and identify people like me and others who are highly critical of the Bush Regime and the Shadow Government.
Those identified are to go on a list that is shared around.
The fact that this would be unconstitutional is no barrier to what has begun to permeate the Oligharcy we now serve.
We really need to resist all attempts of a predatory Government to invade our privacy. I don't think pointing out the shortcomings of the Government is anti American.
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gamahuche1 year, 6 months ago
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What this does is to nullify the contract that users had with YouTube - then google.
The consumer has no recourse, or even escape route, should they desire it for whatever reason.
Still worse it effectively applies retroactively.
More government control - and of course for many a FOREIGN government, even, maybe later more than one, maybe ones that we really don't want anything to do with..
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AnteUp1 year, 6 months ago
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CHAM ~
This initiative you mention - through Homeland Security -
I don't remember any chatter on that. Nor on the committee
to review the data. Do you have any links you could post
on stories about it? I would love to read more about it.
That would sure put the lie to - international communications
in-coming and out-going only being monitored - wouldn't it?
No wonder there was no attempt to split domestic from foreign
communications at the AT&T facility in San Francisco - hmmm?
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jimdoze1 year, 6 months ago
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From your note: "especially under this administration"
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"Obama Supports FISA Legislation, Angering Left"
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/0...
The question I have, Gama, is whether you and your political brethren of a similar mind will be as equally tough and vociferous about Obama on these matters as you are on "this administration"?
Happy Fourth to you, our adopted citizen!
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gamahuche1 year, 6 months ago
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Uh huh!
Well thanks for that Jim..
Idealism is hard to maintain in the world of real-politik!
And thanks for your 4th July wishes..
I do try to celebrate as many holidays and feast days as possible but this was never one that ESPECIALLY grabbed me.
The last time that I remember being in the US for it I spent with my Japanese teacher in Kinderhook and watched a parade of fire-trucks and such-like, with lots of beautiful lasses enhancing their contours.
In MT it was usually the rodeo which of course meant the day got got rowdier by the hour..
By about 9 pm it was better to be indoors to avoid the random gunshots.
It was easy for a "stranger" to meld quite happily into whatever social situation that arose but I don't have that feeling so much any more.
Here no one even knows or thinks about what anyone's politics are!
Much more important that they obey pub rules - like the man ALWAYS goes in first, before his woman and the glasses get clinked together in just the right way..
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CHAM1 year, 6 months ago
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jimdoze. I assure you I will be. On whoever is elected. But would you read that article again? I believe that the article is comparing Obama's stance on an earlier version of the FISA bill to a later compromise, that removes the immunity from Telecom's albeit at a situation where they can escape easier.
I think the comparison is on two different versions and if that is so, look for that subtle slant that most people overlook.
Maybe the paper didn't intend to mislead and then maybe they did. Please read it again carefully.
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AnteUp1 year, 6 months ago
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jimdoze ~
Did you hear gama's brethern agreeing with Obama's decision
to support that bill? Well, I didn't sing his praises for it,
and will be more than willing to complain to any official,
Democrat or Republican who doesn't live up to the promise, as I understood it. I am a grown-up and would be shocked if
a candidate represented my beliefs 100% - but I'm not
ready to pipe down when I disagree - it's the American way.
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Endoscopy1 year, 6 months ago
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RIAA is wanting to stop any piracy of music etc. They view any unauthorized use of it as piracy. If you buy it you only have the right to use it not give a copy away. That is the law that they pushed through congress. The law is very restrictive and bars making copies of music from CD's.
They have created their own problem. When CD writers were getting cheaper people were happy saying they would be able to go to a music store and buy just the songs they wanted blown to a CD in the store. RIAA refused to allow that so as the price of burners came down people did it themselves. RIAA and record companies they represent felt that if people were forced to buy the albums then some of the other songs would become hits. Therefore the laws.
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VX241 year, 6 months ago
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Well none of you complainers have advocated bombarding you elected representatives with your displeasure of the weaking of "fair use" The music industry missed the boat and they want back one by forcing sales.
"Fair use" mean once you have bought it it is yours. You can copy for you own pleasure. What the media companies do not like is the loss of control. Viacom was late out of the gate and needs it's own web site. There is a growing market that will watch shows they missed or one they never knew existed. You tube is a public presentation a wholly different matter.
Someone violated the letter and spirit of "Fair use". Public broadcast is not fair use.
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