Evil Reigns but None Dare Call it Treason »
Posted By populist 12 months ago in NewsTorture advocated, secret armies and prisons encouraged, ignoring habeas corpus for anyone pointed to and called "enemy combatant." Yet, non dare call it treason.
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Teech12 months ago
"Torture advocated, secret armies and prisons encouraged, ignoring habeas corpus for anyone pointed to and called "enemy combatant." Yet, non dare call it treason."
Treason? Of course not. I looked it up in the Official Republican/Neocon Dictionary of Terms. They call that "patriotism."
"Treason" is when you disagree with it.
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mesodude12 months ago
"Some do. But we seem to get drowned out by the MSM."
ICAM and I think we'll really learn the extent to which the Bush and the GOP have helped the right wing media prosper and vice versa once the Democrats have a larger majority and we can start hauling some of the Bushco enablers (particularly phone company execs and right wing radio stooges) in front of Congress to find out what they've been up to the last 8 years. The Justice Department scandal, in my view, reflects only the tip of the iceberg and I suspect much more criminality has helped the GOP maintain power for as long as it has. I would particularly like to know what the mega church establishment has been up to. ;-(
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injest12 months ago
Name this law / act? Hint, it's not the PATRIOT ACT
This Law
The Center for National Security Studies issued an excellent [WWW]analysis of the bill, along with information on the [WWW]FBI and [WWW]trends.
The National Coalition Against Repressive Legislation summarized the bill in XXXX and the law as finally passed in XXXX. NCARL and others raised important criticisms:
Presumed guilty, secret evidence can be used Permanent resident aliens arrested under this law have to prove they should not be held in jail before trial. Secret evidence can used in the detention hearings and at trial that only the judge could see, not the defendant.
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jovial12 months ago
The Republican Senate and Congress aided and abetted this administration in these crimes. At times Democrats had to hold meetings in the basement of the Whitehouse. The call from Democratic congreesmen/woman was heard, but it had no bearing on the outcome of the vote. Further intimidation was used against Democrats. The pundits on Foxnews and various other sources were calling for eradication of the filibuster. Rendering Democrats without any weapon to have any sway in the legislation of this country. I am truly amazed at the short-term memory of these Democrats. Maybe they just want to be just and fair, but believe me if Republican control sweeps Congress again, and i predict it will some day. The Republicans will not show the just and fair practices that I have seen form these Democrats. When will they learn? They are fighting a foe that is in some ways like the terrorists they try to make us fear. (cont.)
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jovial12 months ago
To know one's enemy is to be on the path to victory. Unscrupulous, these conservatives. They lie, spread rumours, hide behind religion, the flag, and the military. Yet they truly believe in neither one. The ultimate goal is power. Corporate power, political power, and greed. I am shocked that so many people continue to be stymied by the blatant ruthlessness of the hijacked Republican party. Most people that believe the constant spew of garbage from Foxnews and Limbaugh, etc. really believe that conservatism is in their best interest. It takes a narrow focus and almost stubborn willingness not to see that this is hurting America.
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jordan1112 months ago
he Republican Senate and Congress aided and abetted this administration in these crimes. At times Democrats had to hold meetings in the basement of the Whitehouse. The call from Democratic congreesmen/woman was heard, but it had no bearing on the outcome of the vote. Further intimidation was used against Democrats>>>>
Yes, so I have to ask; WTH is wrong with them now? Why is Reid allowing filibusters without requiring CONS to hold the floor & have to talk & explain their dang selves? Doesn't he understand countless voters are oblivious to what the CONS are doing? I just don't get it.
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woodguru12 months ago
One of the things that would serve us well to start recognizing is that the big business favoring administration that has been so hideously costly over the last two terms has it's element of democratic support. Dems could have a president and more seats but if we don't do our part to recognize good government and the very good elected public servants that are on both sides fighting for the right policies that are in our best interest we can have the same machine of big business oriented dems and pubs wreaking havoc with the attempts at good legislation. It will be up to us to pay attention to issues and what the right fixes are or we can counteract good work through ignorance of the true underlying facts.
The best example of that is the oil issue and the "drill for more oil" The huge group of ignorant voters who don't know any facts incorrectly oppose dems as the opposing tree hugging libs that are fighting their "good" and "necessary" policy.
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woodguru12 months ago
If we get a democrat president and more seats there is still a major political machine in power. They will have the ability to wreak havoc and throw spins on every good legislation proposed. There are bad dems and republicans that are part of this system just as we have a lot of good elected officials on both sides of the fence trying to overcome this big business oriented administration.
Make no mistake, we have a group of lobby motivated politicians that will become professional disruptors of everything that makes the best sense to change. Attempts to cut off unnecessary giveaways will be opposed, fillibustered, compromise bartered, as well as playing the public attack of the surface level of the issue that plays so well to their ignorant support base.
Good tax reform will get beat up with cries of "oh my god they want to increase taxes" We are going to need to be well informed enough to know what republican bastions need to be torn apart and what makes sense.
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berkeley12 months ago
trivia: who wrote
Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?
Why, if it prosper, none dare call it treason.
law in itself is meaningless unless it is enforced. Judge Merrick B. Garland, of the DC District Court of Appeals in a ruling issued june 30, admitted that without the will, provided by either congress or the DOJ, to enforce a ruling, even judicial review can be meaningless, and hence Huzaifa Parhat still sits in solitary confinement, unaware that he is a free man.
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/07/07/...
answer: sir john harrington, 400 years ago.
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populist12 months ago
Exactly - and no one in D.C. seems to be able to give an answer to that either...
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woodguru12 months ago
You want to know what's treason? How about war profiteering? There are statutes against it but it isn't an issue with the Bush administration, he wouldn't even use the regulatory commission in charge of power company regulation to do their job.
Outing an undercover CIA agent and placing their lives in danger is treason. Pardoning one of the people legally prosecuted, convicted, and sentenced for that should be almost as big a crime as the crime itself.
I don't believe a president should have the right to use a pardon where there aren't supportive extenuated circumstances. To use it as Bush repeatedly has to pardon a convicted criminal is as criminal an action as the crime itself. Bush has defied oversight committees, legislation, inquiries, demands for testimony and documentation, and protected so many criminal activities that nobody even pays attention anymore, impeachable offenses are too common.
The pure transparency of entering into a war under false pretenses has to be
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DarkWizard12 months ago
Shock and Awe! Our government in the handling of its confused constituents.
You might as well be looking for evidence of UFOs as to figure out why the masses seem ignorant to the smoke and mirrors our government has thrown in front of us.
1) Our government has no respect for us and feels invincible and untouchable in its accountability to us.
2) They have all the money, time, power, influence, and resources to weave their webs of deceit and dare the commoners to unite and fight back.
The best we can hope for, at this point, is that our government implodes on itself and sanity is restored by people less corrupt and self-serving than the lot we have now (in ALL branches of government).
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chuck-the-canuck12 months ago
Part of the reason is you seem to have become a country of ill tempered sheep, kept in line by the scary stories told to you by the wolves in sheep's clothing.
One party figures the way to victory is by scaring the hell out of you and the other one just wants to be liked.
One is the devil, the other is a well meaning duffus.
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Amazing112 months ago
And the tree of liberty must still be nourished from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
There's the rub. Who dares to spill their blood. For we are now held captive by a treasonous government and few dare utter the words. Fewer still will stand their ground like the men who founded this nation by pledging their LIVES, their FORTUNES and their SACRED HONOR!
How many in Washington are capable of grasping the concept of Sacred Honor? And let us not forget that is one thing to grasp the concept and quite another to live a life which embodies that Sacred Honor.
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Natureboy12 months ago
The really foul truth, the one that few dare face, is that Der Bush does not represent a departure from the status quo, but rather a continuation of it. Focus on Der Bush, and you will miss what you need to see - that he is a sock-puppet for the same group of people who have been calling the shots all along.
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ningyo12 months ago
a real convention of left-wingnuts---you left out the part about the coming fascist martial law tho--get out the tin foil hats boys..denvers on the way
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CHAM12 months ago
ningyo, what would be your definition of corrupt activity?
No need to start an all day list of things illegal, corrupt, dangerous to the Constitution, costly to the people, or utter immoral depravity over the last eight years, we have all seen that.
Is it your contention that all this came about because of Left Wing Nuts?
I didn't know I was a Left Wing Nut until I started speaking up for moral, ethical, Constitutional behavior, then you people, who seemed to me to be against moral, ethical, Constitutional behavior, begin to crawl from wherever you were, to defend the Criminal in Chief for some reason. I'm never able to understand why except for your excuse that we, those who think like me, are left wing nuts.
I never considered myself as a Left Wing Nut, just an American who loves his country.
I guess the opposite of a Left Wing Nut is a Right Wing Nut, Does that leave "Lover of America" safely in the middle?
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dissent12 months ago
"you left out the part about the coming fascist martial law tho"
i'll bet that fascist word feels a little too dang naked and don't make no sense to you without the really meaningful islamo part out the front, eh? [spits tobacco to the side]
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HMMace12 months ago
THE WAY BUSH HANDLED THE SOUTHERN BORDER--SMACKS OF CORRUPTION AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL--BUSH- HIMSELF COULD BE INVOLVED IN THE DRUG TRADE...HIS ACTONS DO NOT PROVE OTHERWISE..HIS SECRET MEETINGFS WITH THE SAUDIS AT HIS RANCH ARE VERY SUSPICIOUS SEEING OUR NOW HIGH GAS PRICES, AND HIS FAMILY BEING IN OIL BIG TIME.
THE WAR IN IRAQ--WAS NOT NECESSERY...IN FACT--THE GULF WAR WAS NOT NECESSERY..BUSH (1) DID NOT HAVE TO INVADE KUWAIT..WHY DID HE DO IT??? OFF HAND I WOULD SAY--HIS OIL INTERESTS, NOT OUR COUNTRYS INTERESTS...WE MAY RUE THE DAY WE EVER HEARD THE NAME BUSH...
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CHAM12 months ago
I certainly agree HMMace, some of McCains personally chosen confidants are embroiled in shady business: Carl Linder, Ohio Chair and Financial Guru ( Ammo Dealer with Columbian AUC ), Doug Goodyear, Republican Convention Chairman ( Tied with Big Oil ), and lets not forget Charlie Black ( You remember him - His Senior Adviser - Tied to the Worst of the Worst of Dictators, Mass Murders, and etc. )
Yes definitely in Bed with Saudis and the Osama Bin Laden family. He led us into Iraq with lies, Deception, Orchestrated Propaganda with the MSM, to make money for the War Industry and to help International Business steal Iraqi resources, and as to Kuwait - people need to google April Glaspie Kuwait Gulf War and go from there.
This bunch are the most vile of any American Government and rank right up there with the old British Neocolonialists. People need to google that word and do some history reading to see what drives this Bush Bunch.
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jimdoze12 months ago
"None Dare Call It Treason"
More evidence to support my theory that the left now occupies the same socio-phsyco-political territory that the John Birchers occupied 40 years ago.
I'd recommend a little quiet time with former CBS News reporter Bernard Goldberg's book "Crazies to the Left of Me, Wimps to the Right: How One Side Lost Its Mind and the Other Lost Its Nerve"
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CHAM12 months ago
And Jimdoze, as I recall the John Birch Society was as far right as, well, as Bush supporters. Jim what we all need to do is practice being American - if that still means being moral and honest, lets restore it.
On another thread maybe last week I mentioned that "None Dare Call it Treason" was the title of an Expose book about Lyndon B. Johnson and Lady Bird ( Years ago).
Everybody outght to read that book.
And there's a place in Arkansas where Lady Bird bought up a Military Installation at a price so cheap, that she took up some old rail road rails and sold them for scrap iron to pay for the place. I once estimated that it would cost around $20 Billion to replace it new.
LB then sold it to Brown and Root ( don't know the price ) and that Name should remind everyone of Halliburton. All in the Family.
By the way the original owners of the installation who had it conscripted from their ownership in WWII weren't allowed to bid on it. Washington honesty!
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JoseMadre12 months ago
If you read what the John Birch Society actually said and says, and research it, you'll find that they were usually spot on.
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thoughtforsale12 months ago
I liked the expression "political purgatory". Is not an electional campaign something like that? The Democrats would refuse the heritage of the Bush administration, if they could.
But now, it lies in the hands of the voters to send them into what Dante called the "inner circle", or to give dispensation.
The Americans should be aware of this chance!
And like Sherazade, the candidates have to please and entertain their public as long as possible, to avoid the "execution" on election day ...
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CHAM12 months ago
Right thoughtforsale. And if only we could relive the "Arabian Nights" politically so that we could survive a night at a time as long as the story was good - wait a minute, we would have to be making it up as we go, and we would have to entice the suckers back for more and, and, this is beginning to sound like the last eight years.
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unome212 months ago
The America we thought we knew is over.
We have lost our self government. We have lost our free and open news media. The presidential candidates they have allowed to rise to the top only offer more of the same. Obama pulls more to the center and McCain might as well be another Bush brother.
We must ask ourselves why our Government refused to investigate 9-11, it was the largest mass murder, the worst aviation disaster, the worst intelligence failure and military defense failure to ever occur on American soil. And our Government only begrudgingly investigated some 400 days later.
Why would Bush and Cheney refuse to testify under oath?
Why only together and not on record?
Why do we still not know who sent the U.S. government anthrax?
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mesodude12 months ago
"Obama pulls more to the center and McCain might as well be another Bush brother."
--I think you might want to withhold judgement on Obama. Things are not always what they seem and, frankly, I don't see that his behaving in ways that appear to suggest that he's moving to the center one week is anything to be alarmed over. Yet. For instance, Bush has delivered on virtually none of the noble and glowing promises upon which he campaigned and he and the GOP Congress brought us the biggest government in history and the biggest spending. OTOH, Bill Clinton turned out to be more of a corporatist than some might have preferred but he also left our country with a budget surplus and gas costing us $1 and change per gallon. Flash forward 8 years and, bam! Talk about a world turned upside-down.
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CHAM12 months ago
unome2, an answer begging for a question is - Why did we put up with and are still putting up with what we have giving us the old BOHICA every day?
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woodguru12 months ago
The list of outright contractor theft, covering for criminally responsible corporate heads, the outing of the CIA operative as a retaliatory, declaring a war without proper senate house approvals, war profiteering, and the biggest scandal of all which is the oil agenda and price of gas (how it fits in) are issues that need to be addressed to get to the fixes.
The absolute power the oil companies have to bring this country to it's knees demands government intervention and regulation. Prices should be rolled back and fixed so we see a two year period of stable prices. The billions and billions of dollars going to oil companies should be frozen until they can show profit margins that are substantially reduced, if they get in trouble from those actions it makes more sense to subsidize them to keep them afloat than to subsidize in the face of monstrous profits.
Past administrations have jumped all over excessive profits in the face of escalating prices.
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tiredofwhiners11 months, 4 weeks ago
If you want to roll back gas prices you will have to drive a lot less and reduce your energy use. That's because a majority of our oil comes from outside the U.S. They won't sell it to us cheaper than the world market price. That is set by supply and demand, OPEC and commodities markets. Just announce we will drill offshore, in ANWR and develop shale oil and watch the speculators sell oil futures and gas will go way down.
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woodguru12 months ago
it is only this administration that has refused to oversee and regulate key energy and gas industries. The long term damage being done is at the start of it's curve, gas prices will be causing airlines to go bankrupt and needing bailouts for their survival, auto manufacturers will go under, shipping companies will be forced to raise rates dramatically, even food industries and products will be going through long term changes that cause food to go up.
When these across the board impacts are all stemming directly from the price of gas it does warrant government oversight. That the very fabric of our economy could be played with and jeopardized simply to get protected areas opened up to drilling and perpetuate huge spending on oil companies is deeply and profoundly hideous. The disregard for the economic health and well being of an economy that is as large as ours and the depth of the systematic plundering of it's recourses is too staggering to comprehend. Enough is enough already.
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woodguru12 months ago
I am intending to make references in posts on different subjects to something that needs to be understood better by voters.
I have felt that labeling policies as being republican or democratic is an incorrect stereotype. The corrupt machine that has had free reign for two admins has it's democratic support and involvement as much as there are bad republicans. There are good politicians that make hard fights against bad government but they don't have the key element that helps them get good legislation through, and that is public support and awareness.
With a new administration there will be increased numbers of good politicians on both sides of the fence looking to pull for good policies. Increased public awareness that will come about from the new legislation Obama co-authored is going to illuminate bad spending and budget measures in a way that it will be easier than ever for us to see who is behind insidious pork riders and eliminate them and the politicians behind it.
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willottica12 months ago
Go away, we don't like funkytube. SPAM should just be a breakfast food!
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Natureboy11 months, 4 weeks ago
"Who nominated us to be the world's watchdog?"
We did, of course - it gives us the pretext to invade.
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hyperbola12 months ago
The American population has been the target of illegal government domestic propaganda programs ever since the Reagan administration. The right-wing sources that carried out the imperial propaganda for Central American wars are virtually identical to those that carried out the imperial propaganda for Iraq. This has been known to Congress since the reports about Iran-Contra, but both parties have been complicit in keeping the facts from the American population.
I don't have much faith that investigations after January 2009 will be much more intensive or successful in rooting out corruption than in 1987.
Iran-Contra's 'Lost Chapter'
As historians ponder George W. Bush's disastrous presidency, they may wonder how Republicans perfected a propaganda system that could fool tens of millions of Americans, intimidate Democrats, and transform the vaunted Washington press corps from watchdogs to lapdogs.
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2008/062908.html
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ppiittuu12 months ago
i'm a republican, and i just found out from all your wisdom that i'm evil, treasonous, and am up to no good... boo hoo! i'm a bad boy!!! :-(
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donald5112 months ago
yes, you are if you have no regrets and still support this fool president and corrupt party! But, we already know you guys rationalize your un-American behavior so well! Yes, to you the end always justifies any un-American means to get there! You are complicit in allowing such a fool as Dumya to be elected to so damage this country and kill 1 million Iraqis!
There is a reason why people like you have been found to fit the same psych profile developed after WW2 on the followers of Hitler!
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CHAM12 months ago
ppiittuu, being a Republican is not a sin. Not being an American First is what is really hurtful to America. The Party First mentality is the culprit in America and it has helped foment disasterous policies thru emboldment of those who violate both our Constitutional laws and our moral laws.
I too was a Republican. But I got over it. I joined America. Before that I thought that being Republican was being American.
As hyperbola stated above both parties found that there were enough Party Firsters to enable any corruption or immoral behavior.
All the two parties had to do was keep third parties out of the political system and then run a race to see which party gets the bigger piece of the pie. The two parties came to realize that if they did this, and didn't hurt the other party, the loser could finish no lower than second.
This is what has befallen America.
We Americans need to change that scam.
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