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Posted By populist 1 year, 4 months ago in News

Torture advocated, secret armies and prisons encouraged, ignoring habeas corpus for anyone pointed to and called "enemy combatant." Yet, non dare call it treason.

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    miklkit1 year, 4 months ago

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    Some do. But we seem to get drowned out by the MSM.

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      Teech1 year, 4 months ago

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      "Torture advocated, secret armies and prisons encouraged, ignoring habeas corpus for anyone pointed to and called "enemy combatant." Yet, non dare call it treason."

      Treason? Of course not. I looked it up in the Official Republican/Neocon Dictionary of Terms. They call that "patriotism."

      "Treason" is when you disagree with it.

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        rightfromwrong1 year, 4 months ago

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        Treason it is and Patriotism is ain't.

        Investigate 9/11....demand answers!!!! All for oil.

        Conspiracy was that Bush, Cheney and the rest of the Whitehouse thugs withheld vital intelligence before the vote on whether to attack Iran. There were no WMD and Saddam had no affiliation with Al Qaeda.

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          donald511 year, 4 months ago

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          rightfrom, this is why we need Cheney's Energy Meeting minutes with Ken Lay declassified to see how the plan all along was to let something catastrophic happen to assume greater power and demand war for oil somewhere!

          These Bushies should all be rotting in a foreign jail guilty of war crimes!

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            dunkirk1 year, 4 months ago

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            I suspect at some point after Obama takes office we'll get to see those minutes. Under Bush Im certain we would get edited minutes which might consist of sheets of paper with the middles cut out or as I more expect the paper shredders will be working overtime after November.

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          donald511 year, 4 months ago

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          what do you expect for the party that pardoned those convicted from Watergate, Iran Contra and Plamegate.... its the terrorist party of America, that should be declared so and banned!

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            Blackacereturn1 year, 4 months ago

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            They have eroded any high ground we had. We cannot say to anyone what you are doing is wrong because they will just laugh!

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            mesodude1 year, 4 months ago

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            "Some do. But we seem to get drowned out by the MSM."

            ICAM and I think we'll really learn the extent to which the Bush and the GOP have helped the right wing media prosper and vice versa once the Democrats have a larger majority and we can start hauling some of the Bushco enablers (particularly phone company execs and right wing radio stooges) in front of Congress to find out what they've been up to the last 8 years. The Justice Department scandal, in my view, reflects only the tip of the iceberg and I suspect much more criminality has helped the GOP maintain power for as long as it has. I would particularly like to know what the mega church establishment has been up to. ;-(

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              airglide1 year, 4 months ago

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              And what will you say if Osama gets in and nothing changes? IT WON'T.

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                willottica1 year, 4 months ago

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                Can it, sock-puppet.

                Intentional name-change to suggest terrorist leanings = immediate neg.

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                  HannibalBarca1 year, 4 months ago

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                  Your statement relies on the fact that you can see the future. If USA can, and did, elect an actor and carried on his legacy with his VP getting elected then why are people afraid of this man Obama ? He has to be better just because; name any reason you want.

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                    mesodude1 year, 4 months ago

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                    "And what will you say if Osama gets in and nothing changes? IT WON'T."

                    -- Before posting again, you might want to ask yourself why on earth you're convinced you're even remotely politically savvy or of sound political judgement. Just a tip... ;-P

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                      airglide1 year, 4 months ago

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                      The last time I looked there were 3 branches of government. One man can do more than 544? Anything Bush does, he has that many accessories. I lived through Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton and Bush. In each case there were detractors. Nothing changed materially. Lots of bureaucrats in government. It doesn't require clairvoyance to determine that not much will change again.

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                      donald511 year, 4 months ago

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                      ..just knew a man with no brain and no conscience would speak up... where is Aplha, Endo and sick anick - the sick love company?

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                        tiredofwhiners1 year, 4 months ago

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                        Busy doing things of importance.

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                          dunkirk1 year, 4 months ago

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                          ROFLMAO, based on the posts you generate Ill take that to mean looking for your pants.

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                    injest1 year, 4 months ago

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                    Name this law / act? Hint, it's not the PATRIOT ACT

                    This Law

                    The Center for National Security Studies issued an excellent [WWW]analysis of the bill, along with information on the [WWW]FBI and [WWW]trends.

                    The National Coalition Against Repressive Legislation summarized the bill in XXXX and the law as finally passed in XXXX. NCARL and others raised important criticisms:

                    Presumed guilty, secret evidence can be used Permanent resident aliens arrested under this law have to prove they should not be held in jail before trial. Secret evidence can used in the detention hearings and at trial that only the judge could see, not the defendant.

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                      injest1 year, 4 months ago

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                      First Amendment protections weakened. The law lifts a 19XX Crime law restriction prohibiting the FBI from investigations based on speech or beliefs, when restricting humanitarian aid. Foreigners can be barred from speaking in the U.S. using McCarthy era McCarran-Walter Act provisions. An overbroad definition of terrorism virtually requires the Justice Department to select crimes to prosecute based on political beliefs and associations.

                      Presidential powers expanded. The President can label organizations -- without any appeal or review -- as "terrorist", and criminalize fundraising for humanitarian aid even remotely related to such groups

                      Punishment for lawful actions. Permanent resident aliens can be deported or indefinitely jailed for their affiliations or political activity, with no judicial review.

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                        injest1 year, 4 months ago

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                        Constitutional protections eroded. The law further restricts the Bill of Rights' habeas corpus protections for state prisoners. Although this is a terrorism law, and death-row inmates were used to justify this provision, this affects all state prisoners, and no one convicted of federal terrorism laws. Prisoners are required to prove the state acted "unreasonably," a tough legal standard that isn't met simply by having credible evidence of innocence or wrongful imprisonment. Prisoners will be limited to one federal appeal within a short time of exhausting state appeals. Federal courts are required to render decisions within six months, and can't overrule state courts' interpretations of constitutional law.

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                          injest1 year, 4 months ago

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                          More spending (meaning higher taxes and debt), and more police abuses. The law authorizes $1 billion in new federal spending over five years. The amount includes an additional $100 million for one of the most terroristic organizations in the United States, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.

                          Further restrictions on financial privacy. The law requires banks to identify any domestic "agents" (undefined) of groups labeled as terrorist, and freeze their funds with no right of appeal.

                          The original bill contained a provision, supported by the XXXXXXX administration, lifting the historical "Posse Comitatus" restriction on the U.S. military working with domestic police. The provision did not make it into the final version. (That would come years later.)

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                            injest1 year, 4 months ago

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                            The law creates an oversight commission for federal police agencies. Even though the commission has no subpoena power and can only make recommendations, then-FBI Director Louis Freeh lobbied against the bill based on this one provision.

                            http://www.boogieonline.com/revolution/legal/po...

                            For bonus points who wrote this law?

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                    jordan111 year, 4 months ago

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                    I call it treason.

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                      cushi1 year, 4 months ago

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                      In all caps!!

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                        Bacalao1 year, 4 months ago

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                        Ditto!

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                      jovial1 year, 4 months ago

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                      The Republican Senate and Congress aided and abetted this administration in these crimes. At times Democrats had to hold meetings in the basement of the Whitehouse. The call from Democratic congreesmen/woman was heard, but it had no bearing on the outcome of the vote. Further intimidation was used against Democrats. The pundits on Foxnews and various other sources were calling for eradication of the filibuster. Rendering Democrats without any weapon to have any sway in the legislation of this country. I am truly amazed at the short-term memory of these Democrats. Maybe they just want to be just and fair, but believe me if Republican control sweeps Congress again, and i predict it will some day. The Republicans will not show the just and fair practices that I have seen form these Democrats. When will they learn? They are fighting a foe that is in some ways like the terrorists they try to make us fear. (cont.)

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                        jovial1 year, 4 months ago

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                        To know one's enemy is to be on the path to victory. Unscrupulous, these conservatives. They lie, spread rumours, hide behind religion, the flag, and the military. Yet they truly believe in neither one. The ultimate goal is power. Corporate power, political power, and greed. I am shocked that so many people continue to be stymied by the blatant ruthlessness of the hijacked Republican party. Most people that believe the constant spew of garbage from Foxnews and Limbaugh, etc. really believe that conservatism is in their best interest. It takes a narrow focus and almost stubborn willingness not to see that this is hurting America.

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                          miklkit1 year, 4 months ago

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                          Hear! Hear!

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                            ProudBlueTexan1 year, 4 months ago

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                            I noticed their ilk coming up through high school and wondered what they would grow up to become. Now I know.

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                              Lurch1 year, 4 months ago

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                              Those who cannot do, teach.

                              Those who cannot do anything good for their country or with themselves, become Republicans.

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                              Natureboy1 year, 4 months ago

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                              Oh, if only the republicans were pure evil and the Dems were knights in shining armor - but it ain't so.

                              Check the votes on any of the really terrible things, from the vote greenlighting the Iraq invasion to the Military Commissions Act. And see how many Dems marched in lockstep with the republicans.

                              Evil comes in two flavors, these days.

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                                woodguru1 year, 4 months ago

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                                The more people start realizing that it took support on both sides of the fence to create the current big business favoring machine that has run unimpeded the more good influence voter support and opposition for good and bad government will figure into good government.

                                There is already a strong republican support for bi-partisan good legislation and policies. The republican and democratic labels blind too many people to the factions within the parties. As soon as we have more aware voters using the new public visibility legislation that will allow us to see the insidious pork riders and big business giveaways so that we can effectively show overwhelming opposition to both the spending and those behind it we are going to be able to clearly expose the bad apples.

                                It takes enough well informed and open minded voters to be able to understand an issue and overcome the ignorant and detrimentally reactive faith voter that "believes" the republican spin

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                                  miklkit1 year, 4 months ago

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                                  Looking at their voting record, it is well nigh impossible to believe there is any republicon support for anything bi-partisan. They have been marching in lock step for years and their marching orders are: Party over Country.

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                                augustine9741 year, 4 months ago

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                                The truth hurts sometimes., mentally lazy and stupid.

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                                jordan111 year, 4 months ago

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                                he Republican Senate and Congress aided and abetted this administration in these crimes. At times Democrats had to hold meetings in the basement of the Whitehouse. The call from Democratic congreesmen/woman was heard, but it had no bearing on the outcome of the vote. Further intimidation was used against Democrats>>>>

                                Yes, so I have to ask; WTH is wrong with them now? Why is Reid allowing filibusters without requiring CONS to hold the floor & have to talk & explain their dang selves? Doesn't he understand countless voters are oblivious to what the CONS are doing? I just don't get it.

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                                woodguru1 year, 4 months ago

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                                One of the things that would serve us well to start recognizing is that the big business favoring administration that has been so hideously costly over the last two terms has it's element of democratic support. Dems could have a president and more seats but if we don't do our part to recognize good government and the very good elected public servants that are on both sides fighting for the right policies that are in our best interest we can have the same machine of big business oriented dems and pubs wreaking havoc with the attempts at good legislation. It will be up to us to pay attention to issues and what the right fixes are or we can counteract good work through ignorance of the true underlying facts.

                                The best example of that is the oil issue and the "drill for more oil" The huge group of ignorant voters who don't know any facts incorrectly oppose dems as the opposing tree hugging libs that are fighting their "good" and "necessary" policy.

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                                  woodguru1 year, 4 months ago

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                                  If we get a democrat president and more seats there is still a major political machine in power. They will have the ability to wreak havoc and throw spins on every good legislation proposed. There are bad dems and republicans that are part of this system just as we have a lot of good elected officials on both sides of the fence trying to overcome this big business oriented administration.

                                  Make no mistake, we have a group of lobby motivated politicians that will become professional disruptors of everything that makes the best sense to change. Attempts to cut off unnecessary giveaways will be opposed, fillibustered, compromise bartered, as well as playing the public attack of the surface level of the issue that plays so well to their ignorant support base.

                                  Good tax reform will get beat up with cries of "oh my god they want to increase taxes" We are going to need to be well informed enough to know what republican bastions need to be torn apart and what makes sense.

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                                    donald511 year, 4 months ago

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                                    18 of the 22 Most Corrupt Congressmen are still Repugs with the only senators on the CREW List being Repugs! Go Figure! Heck, even with Clinton it took the repug instigated 7 years of investigation to finally only produce something our presidents have been excused for in the past - an illicit affair!

                                    All the vices listed are Repug inspired and completely supported for by almost 8 years by the Repug congressmen - so, there is a big difference between the values of the two parties! Only the Repugs have convictions at the presidential cabinet level in 3 different administrations: Watergate, Iran Contra, & Plamegate!

                                    Only Dems have supported the Truth in Telecommunications Act that Reagan vetoed and the Fairness Act of today! Clinton didn't purge emails and his justice department backed congressional contempt charges.

                                    Anyone who is trying to say the 2 parties are equally evil is in denial, just rationalizing his own evil, and UN-American!

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                                  berkeley1 year, 4 months ago

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                                  trivia: who wrote

                                  Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?

                                  Why, if it prosper, none dare call it treason.

                                  law in itself is meaningless unless it is enforced. Judge Merrick B. Garland, of the DC District Court of Appeals in a ruling issued june 30, admitted that without the will, provided by either congress or the DOJ, to enforce a ruling, even judicial review can be meaningless, and hence Huzaifa Parhat still sits in solitary confinement, unaware that he is a free man.

                                  http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/07/07/...

                                  answer: sir john harrington, 400 years ago.

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                                    Spadecaller1 year, 4 months ago

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                                    How does it not meet the definition of treason?

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                                      populist1 year, 4 months ago

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                                      Exactly - and no one in D.C. seems to be able to give an answer to that either...

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                                        jordan111 year, 4 months ago

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                                        It meets mine. But then I don't count, so there ya go, lol.

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                                          Amazing11 year, 4 months ago

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                                          Is it not treasonous to assert that impeachment is off the table?

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                                            populist1 year, 4 months ago

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                                            sure is...complicity!

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                                              Spadecaller1 year, 4 months ago

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                                              "It is our right...it is our duty;" do those words sound familiar?

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                                              donald511 year, 4 months ago

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                                              ONly a Repug led Congress has ever tried to impeach before (Johnson & Bill)... maybe its just not in Dems to tear down the presidentcy like Repugs have tried! Maybe, Pelosi knew whe'd never have the votes in the Senate to convict since all the Repug Senators still generally back Dumya's evils!

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                                              Spadecaller1 year, 4 months ago

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                                              "It is our right. It is our duty."

                                              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JmDBbUoiRsx2

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                                              woodguru1 year, 4 months ago

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                                              You want to know what's treason? How about war profiteering? There are statutes against it but it isn't an issue with the Bush administration, he wouldn't even use the regulatory commission in charge of power company regulation to do their job.

                                              Outing an undercover CIA agent and placing their lives in danger is treason. Pardoning one of the people legally prosecuted, convicted, and sentenced for that should be almost as big a crime as the crime itself.

                                              I don't believe a president should have the right to use a pardon where there aren't supportive extenuated circumstances. To use it as Bush repeatedly has to pardon a convicted criminal is as criminal an action as the crime itself. Bush has defied oversight committees, legislation, inquiries, demands for testimony and documentation, and protected so many criminal activities that nobody even pays attention anymore, impeachable offenses are too common.

                                              The pure transparency of entering into a war under false pretenses has to be

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                                                donald511 year, 4 months ago

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                                                ...see the article today where trade to Iran has increased tenfold under Dumya, and not just stuff permitted under humanitarian constraints? Military hardware too!

                                                How about a president who vetos a defense spending bill because it would have permitted our Sadam tortured soldiers to sue Iraq? But, Dumya has allowed foreign companies to sue for reparations!

                                                He and all his neocons really should be rotting in a foreign jail guilty of war crimes for which we hanged 11 Natzis and at least 3 Japanese after WW2. How can the repugs/right wingers/evangelicals condone such un-American behavior?

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                                              DarkWizard1 year, 4 months ago

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                                              Shock and Awe! Our government in the handling of its confused constituents.

                                              You might as well be looking for evidence of UFOs as to figure out why the masses seem ignorant to the smoke and mirrors our government has thrown in front of us.

                                              1) Our government has no respect for us and feels invincible and untouchable in its accountability to us.

                                              2) They have all the money, time, power, influence, and resources to weave their webs of deceit and dare the commoners to unite and fight back.

                                              The best we can hope for, at this point, is that our government implodes on itself and sanity is restored by people less corrupt and self-serving than the lot we have now (in ALL branches of government).

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                                                chuck-the-canuck1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                Part of the reason is you seem to have become a country of ill tempered sheep, kept in line by the scary stories told to you by the wolves in sheep's clothing.

                                                One party figures the way to victory is by scaring the hell out of you and the other one just wants to be liked.

                                                One is the devil, the other is a well meaning duffus.

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                                                  Will13131 year, 4 months ago

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                                                  One is the devil, the other is a well meaning duffus.

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                                                  YEP...

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                                                    jordan111 year, 4 months ago

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                                                    the other is a well meaning duffus.>>>>

                                                    I've never heard it put quite that way, but you may be on to something, lol.

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                                                  globalwarmer1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                  Blatant treason! The man and his conspirators need to face the firing squad as its televised world wide so that all will know... and then I woke up.

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                                                    cushi1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                    I know you're being flippant, but I'm not. I don't see much difference in Bush, Cheney and Saddam.

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                                                      globalwarmer1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                      I don't either.

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                                                        cloud151 year, 4 months ago

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                                                        That is because you're blind. Disagree with his presidency all you want, but to say they're the same is ludicrous.

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                                                          Natureboy1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                          True. Saddam is the one with the mustache.

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                                                            jordan111 year, 4 months ago

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                                                            but to say they're the same is ludicrous.>>>>

                                                            Is it? I've heard people say that Sadaam tortured his people. Hello. So did we. Please show me how we were right, and he was wrong.

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                                                              fsev411 year, 4 months ago

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                                                              At least Saddam kept the mid-east half way stable. Bush has made it ten more times volatile than it was before.

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                                                            donald511 year, 4 months ago

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                                                            Dumya empowered Putin to try dastardly ways to stay in power, the Israelis to conduct a war to get back two soldiers, he has created another generation of arabs that hate America, and he has really made Iran the power to be reconed with in the middle east!

                                                            How about that American Captain and West Pointer who was the first Moslem Chaplain in the US Army, Dumya had him thrown in solitary confinement for 76 days, all resulting in no charges, his divorce and a ruined military career - yes, Dumya was a liar at the UN when he said he respected the rights of man!

                                                            In late 2003 CSPAN had an Oxford debate on who was the greatest threat to mankind - Dumya won!

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                                                          Amazing11 year, 4 months ago

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                                                          And the tree of liberty must still be nourished from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

                                                          There's the rub. Who dares to spill their blood. For we are now held captive by a treasonous government and few dare utter the words. Fewer still will stand their ground like the men who founded this nation by pledging their LIVES, their FORTUNES and their SACRED HONOR!

                                                          How many in Washington are capable of grasping the concept of Sacred Honor? And let us not forget that is one thing to grasp the concept and quite another to live a life which embodies that Sacred Honor.

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                                                            Natureboy1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                            The really foul truth, the one that few dare face, is that Der Bush does not represent a departure from the status quo, but rather a continuation of it. Focus on Der Bush, and you will miss what you need to see - that he is a sock-puppet for the same group of people who have been calling the shots all along.

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                                                              Lurch1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                              Gotta get rid of the Federal Bank; which is nothing more than a tax on all Americans for being a country, and a private tax by foreigners and foreign banks at that (in addition to domestic ones).

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                                                            slate1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                            http://health.propeller.com/story/2008/07/07/it...

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                                                              dadesider1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                              ???

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                                                                slate1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                LOL exactly,, just trying to help the overstressed

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                                                            ningyo1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                            a real convention of left-wingnuts---you left out the part about the coming fascist martial law tho--get out the tin foil hats boys..denvers on the way

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                                                              CHAM1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                              ningyo, what would be your definition of corrupt activity?

                                                              No need to start an all day list of things illegal, corrupt, dangerous to the Constitution, costly to the people, or utter immoral depravity over the last eight years, we have all seen that.

                                                              Is it your contention that all this came about because of Left Wing Nuts?

                                                              I didn't know I was a Left Wing Nut until I started speaking up for moral, ethical, Constitutional behavior, then you people, who seemed to me to be against moral, ethical, Constitutional behavior, begin to crawl from wherever you were, to defend the Criminal in Chief for some reason. I'm never able to understand why except for your excuse that we, those who think like me, are left wing nuts.

                                                              I never considered myself as a Left Wing Nut, just an American who loves his country.

                                                              I guess the opposite of a Left Wing Nut is a Right Wing Nut, Does that leave "Lover of America" safely in the middle?

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                                                                dissent1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                "you left out the part about the coming fascist martial law tho"

                                                                i'll bet that fascist word feels a little too dang naked and don't make no sense to you without the really meaningful islamo part out the front, eh? [spits tobacco to the side]

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                                                                jimdoze1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                "None Dare Call It Treason"

                                                                More evidence to support my theory that the left now occupies the same socio-phsyco-political territory that the John Birchers occupied 40 years ago.

                                                                I'd recommend a little quiet time with former CBS News reporter Bernard Goldberg's book "Crazies to the Left of Me, Wimps to the Right: How One Side Lost Its Mind and the Other Lost Its Nerve"

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                                                                  CHAM1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                  And Jimdoze, as I recall the John Birch Society was as far right as, well, as Bush supporters. Jim what we all need to do is practice being American - if that still means being moral and honest, lets restore it.

                                                                  On another thread maybe last week I mentioned that "None Dare Call it Treason" was the title of an Expose book about Lyndon B. Johnson and Lady Bird ( Years ago).

                                                                  Everybody outght to read that book.

                                                                  And there's a place in Arkansas where Lady Bird bought up a Military Installation at a price so cheap, that she took up some old rail road rails and sold them for scrap iron to pay for the place. I once estimated that it would cost around $20 Billion to replace it new.

                                                                  LB then sold it to Brown and Root ( don't know the price ) and that Name should remind everyone of Halliburton. All in the Family.

                                                                  By the way the original owners of the installation who had it conscripted from their ownership in WWII weren't allowed to bid on it. Washington honesty!

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                                                                  thoughtforsale1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                  I liked the expression "political purgatory". Is not an electional campaign something like that? The Democrats would refuse the heritage of the Bush administration, if they could.

                                                                  But now, it lies in the hands of the voters to send them into what Dante called the "inner circle", or to give dispensation.

                                                                  The Americans should be aware of this chance!

                                                                  And like Sherazade, the candidates have to please and entertain their public as long as possible, to avoid the "execution" on election day ...

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                                                                    CHAM1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                    Right thoughtforsale. And if only we could relive the "Arabian Nights" politically so that we could survive a night at a time as long as the story was good - wait a minute, we would have to be making it up as we go, and we would have to entice the suckers back for more and, and, this is beginning to sound like the last eight years.

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                                                                    unome21 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                    The America we thought we knew is over.

                                                                    We have lost our self government. We have lost our free and open news media. The presidential candidates they have allowed to rise to the top only offer more of the same. Obama pulls more to the center and McCain might as well be another Bush brother.

                                                                    We must ask ourselves why our Government refused to investigate 9-11, it was the largest mass murder, the worst aviation disaster, the worst intelligence failure and military defense failure to ever occur on American soil. And our Government only begrudgingly investigated some 400 days later.

                                                                    Why would Bush and Cheney refuse to testify under oath?

                                                                    Why only together and not on record?

                                                                    Why do we still not know who sent the U.S. government anthrax?

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                                                                      mesodude1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                      "Obama pulls more to the center and McCain might as well be another Bush brother."

                                                                      --I think you might want to withhold judgement on Obama. Things are not always what they seem and, frankly, I don't see that his behaving in ways that appear to suggest that he's moving to the center one week is anything to be alarmed over. Yet. For instance, Bush has delivered on virtually none of the noble and glowing promises upon which he campaigned and he and the GOP Congress brought us the biggest government in history and the biggest spending. OTOH, Bill Clinton turned out to be more of a corporatist than some might have preferred but he also left our country with a budget surplus and gas costing us $1 and change per gallon. Flash forward 8 years and, bam! Talk about a world turned upside-down.

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                                                                        willottica1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                        Flashback in time and imagine that Bush had really meant all of the noble and glowing promises that he made. Imagine that he then gets into the office and has his first official "briefing" where he is told in no uncertain terms that assassinations are not a thing of the past and he had better do as he's told. Imagine that Obama has had an unofficial "briefing" with largely the same message.

                                                                        Just imagine it, and think about how it might explain some things that we've seen.

                                                                        Don't believe it, because that would make you a conspiracy nut.

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                                                                          tiredofwhiners1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                          Surplus? Only in government sleight of hand. The last actual surplus was in the 1950's. I love it when they say we reduced the deficit. That means they had less deficit than the year before i.e. only 300 billion instead of 350 billion. The deficit still grows each year. Theft of our social security surplus is still used to calculate the deficit. It's called political econ 101. What will they do when the S.S. surplus disappears? When I hear about the cost of the war it's always what that could buy in social programs, health care, etc. It never enters their minds that it could be used to reduce the deficit. All the candidates love to dream up new things to spend on (except Barr).

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                                                                          obiefrommuskogee1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                          the anthrax killer was a zionist, Dr. Zack, but he is being protected by AIPAC.

                                                                          That complicates the 9-11 story, doesn't it?

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                                                                            unome21 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                            Not really because Dr Zack now works for a Corporation who's major shareholder is Donald Rumsfeld.

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                                                                            CHAM1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                            unome2, an answer begging for a question is - Why did we put up with and are still putting up with what we have giving us the old BOHICA every day?

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                                                                            woodguru1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                            The list of outright contractor theft, covering for criminally responsible corporate heads, the outing of the CIA operative as a retaliatory, declaring a war without proper senate house approvals, war profiteering, and the biggest scandal of all which is the oil agenda and price of gas (how it fits in) are issues that need to be addressed to get to the fixes.

                                                                            The absolute power the oil companies have to bring this country to it's knees demands government intervention and regulation. Prices should be rolled back and fixed so we see a two year period of stable prices. The billions and billions of dollars going to oil companies should be frozen until they can show profit margins that are substantially reduced, if they get in trouble from those actions it makes more sense to subsidize them to keep them afloat than to subsidize in the face of monstrous profits.

                                                                            Past administrations have jumped all over excessive profits in the face of escalating prices.

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                                                                              tiredofwhiners1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                              If you want to roll back gas prices you will have to drive a lot less and reduce your energy use. That's because a majority of our oil comes from outside the U.S. They won't sell it to us cheaper than the world market price. That is set by supply and demand, OPEC and commodities markets. Just announce we will drill offshore, in ANWR and develop shale oil and watch the speculators sell oil futures and gas will go way down.

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                                                                              woodguru1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                              it is only this administration that has refused to oversee and regulate key energy and gas industries. The long term damage being done is at the start of it's curve, gas prices will be causing airlines to go bankrupt and needing bailouts for their survival, auto manufacturers will go under, shipping companies will be forced to raise rates dramatically, even food industries and products will be going through long term changes that cause food to go up.

                                                                              When these across the board impacts are all stemming directly from the price of gas it does warrant government oversight. That the very fabric of our economy could be played with and jeopardized simply to get protected areas opened up to drilling and perpetuate huge spending on oil companies is deeply and profoundly hideous. The disregard for the economic health and well being of an economy that is as large as ours and the depth of the systematic plundering of it's recourses is too staggering to comprehend. Enough is enough already.

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                                                                              woodguru1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                              I am intending to make references in posts on different subjects to something that needs to be understood better by voters.

                                                                              I have felt that labeling policies as being republican or democratic is an incorrect stereotype. The corrupt machine that has had free reign for two admins has it's democratic support and involvement as much as there are bad republicans. There are good politicians that make hard fights against bad government but they don't have the key element that helps them get good legislation through, and that is public support and awareness.

                                                                              With a new administration there will be increased numbers of good politicians on both sides of the fence looking to pull for good policies. Increased public awareness that will come about from the new legislation Obama co-authored is going to illuminate bad spending and budget measures in a way that it will be easier than ever for us to see who is behind insidious pork riders and eliminate them and the politicians behind it.

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                                                                              willottica1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                              Go away, we don't like funkytube. SPAM should just be a breakfast food!

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                                                                                Will13131 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                i'd like to run a funkytube up all you spammer's asses....

                                                                                REPORTED..

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                                                                                  Harbeas1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                  And we have the nerve to reprimand other countries for their human rights violations. Who nominated us to be the world's watchdog?

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                                                                                    Natureboy1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                    "Who nominated us to be the world's watchdog?"

                                                                                    We did, of course - it gives us the pretext to invade.

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                                                                                    hyperbola1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                    The American population has been the target of illegal government domestic propaganda programs ever since the Reagan administration. The right-wing sources that carried out the imperial propaganda for Central American wars are virtually identical to those that carried out the imperial propaganda for Iraq. This has been known to Congress since the reports about Iran-Contra, but both parties have been complicit in keeping the facts from the American population.

                                                                                    I don't have much faith that investigations after January 2009 will be much more intensive or successful in rooting out corruption than in 1987.

                                                                                    Iran-Contra's 'Lost Chapter'

                                                                                    As historians ponder George W. Bush's disastrous presidency, they may wonder how Republicans perfected a propaganda system that could fool tens of millions of Americans, intimidate Democrats, and transform the vaunted Washington press corps from watchdogs to lapdogs.

                                                                                    http://www.consortiumnews.com/2008/062908.html

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                                                                                      ppiittuu1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                      i'm a republican, and i just found out from all your wisdom that i'm evil, treasonous, and am up to no good... boo hoo! i'm a bad boy!!! :-(

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                                                                                        donald511 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                        yes, you are if you have no regrets and still support this fool president and corrupt party! But, we already know you guys rationalize your un-American behavior so well! Yes, to you the end always justifies any un-American means to get there! You are complicit in allowing such a fool as Dumya to be elected to so damage this country and kill 1 million Iraqis!

                                                                                        There is a reason why people like you have been found to fit the same psych profile developed after WW2 on the followers of Hitler!

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                                                                                          ppiittuu1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                          ...and now i'm a Hitler follower!! HOORAY!!! :-)

                                                                                          i was wondering when the "H" word would make it to this fray...

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                                                                                          CHAM1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                          ppiittuu, being a Republican is not a sin. Not being an American First is what is really hurtful to America. The Party First mentality is the culprit in America and it has helped foment disasterous policies thru emboldment of those who violate both our Constitutional laws and our moral laws.

                                                                                          I too was a Republican. But I got over it. I joined America. Before that I thought that being Republican was being American.

                                                                                          As hyperbola stated above both parties found that there were enough Party Firsters to enable any corruption or immoral behavior.

                                                                                          All the two parties had to do was keep third parties out of the political system and then run a race to see which party gets the bigger piece of the pie. The two parties came to realize that if they did this, and didn't hurt the other party, the loser could finish no lower than second.

                                                                                          This is what has befallen America.

                                                                                          We Americans need to change that scam.

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                                                                                            ppiittuu1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                            i want lower taxes, smaller govt. i want the govt to protect me from the crazies in this world from blowing my family up, i want the govt to stay out of the way of mine and my family's pursuit of happiness. i, not the govt, want to decide how to spend my money, how much i save, how much i give to charities. i know best what to do with my money. i don't want the govt to protect me from myself, and so on. i want the troops on the ground to be given a leeway in doing their business, they are putting their lives at risk, i want to give them the benefit of the doubt.

                                                                                            whoever believes and does that, gets my support.

                                                                                            thank you for allowing me to be a republican...

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                                                                                              jovial1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                              Then you wouldn't mind legalizing marijuana and other drugs would you? How about legalizing abortion even in the third tri-mester? Or gay marriage? Government butt out, huh? You want the troops to be given leeway. What about the the local police? Should they be given leeway also? Should they be able to shoot you if they even suspect you of doing a crime? Who draws the line on the how much leeway is given? Should we just tell our military to kill, maim, rape or do whatever is necessary to a civilian population of people so you can feel warm under your blanket at night? Pray you are never on the receiving end of the treatment that you feel is so just to dole out to others.

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                                                                                                ppiittuu1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                                drugs, gay marriage, & abortion? let the voters decide. i couldn't care less. now PAYING for this stuff is a different matter. no the govt shouldn't pay...

                                                                                                police are already under the microscope...

                                                                                                the military's job is to kill and break things. not to rape. it's easy for us to say, you bad boy, you killed a civilian during war, now you're going to prison. i think not. i want the military to win a war by using overwhelming, ruthless, unrelenting, overpowering, continuous force. i want those clowns who had anything to do with the planes flying into the WTC to be killed unmercilessly, quickly. i don't want them to be "brought to justice." if the troops on the ground deem torture is needed to save lives, oh well... i don't want them punished for that.

                                                                                                and no i would not want to be on the receiving end of our military.

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                                                                                                CHAM1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                                I would encourage you to help clean up the Republican Party and any other. The main thing a citizen can do is not support any elective leader who has not obeyed the Constitutional law, has participated in corruption, or has not kept the fidelity with the people.

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                                                                                                tiredofwhiners1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                                I once was a liberal. I woke up, grew up and got over it. Read the paranoid story and nasty characterizations of Republicans and Conservatives in these posts. That's why I converted.

                                                                                                How about Bob Barr for President?

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                                                                                                thaw1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                                ppii:

                                                                                                admitting it, is the first step

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                                                                                                  ppiittuu1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                                  ooohhh, you are SO bad !!! LOL...

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                                                                                                nikkibabe1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                                Well, is it not a tragedy that over 50% of American husbands and wives with children support it?

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                                                                                                  tiredofwhiners1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                                  OMG! Dan Quayle too? And he couldn't spell potatoe - - er - ah - - - potato. This is earth shattering news but couldn't find it on the front page of NYT. Maybe tomorrow.

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                                                                                                    emailkyloe1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                                    Not only America, but any creature of this planet that holds an IQ may depict this malignant administration as treasonable, and to the utmost highest degree.

                                                                                                    However, as another post said, "...we don't count!".

                                                                                                    Because, why insinuate evil, yet alone treason, when one may simply imply:

                                                                                                    'We're not a secret society, we're just a society with secrets!'.

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                                                                                                      truthiness1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                                      lets lay this out

                                                                                                      year 2000

                                                                                                      september- a computer programmer named clinton curtis who works for diebold is approached tow rite a program that will fix the vote. (youtube has video of congressional testimony)

                                                                                                      November- election day, florida, things go awry with count, ends up in Florida courts.

                                                                                                      December (?) Supreme Court of USA pulls case from Florida Supreme, violating the Constitution of the United States which clearly says that states will determine electors and that the fed has no powers not expressly given it.

                                                                                                      January 2001 - Al Gore gives in. (what?) the Congress of the United States fails to fulfill its duty to impeach the SCOTUS for its illegal actions. George Bush illegally sworn in as President of the US and recognized as Commander in Chief by the combined military forces.

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                                                                                                        truthiness1 year, 4 months ago

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                                                                                                        At this point, all three branches and the military are in collusion to defraud the electorate and commit treason. The Constitution of the United States no longer is the law of the land. Therefore there is no longer a United States of America.

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