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Posted By _kam0_ 1 year, 4 months ago in NewsRove's action today prompted the House Judiciary subcommittee to rule that his reasons for skipping the appearance weren't valid, setting up a possible contempt of Congress vote next week.
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 4 months ago
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UnusualSuspect1 year, 4 months ago
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Something to hide, Karl?
Out of the White House, and still claiming immunity, Karl?
I guess going for an informal interview is the easy way out, but I hope if he does have one, Congress will be smart enough to insist on having the interview taped.
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Goppy1 year, 4 months ago
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Look ... the whole PERSONALITY of the Neo-Conservative ideeologie is F*ck You, America ... we know what this nation needs ... it needs to be a MILITARY Nation ... working Hand-in-Hand with the Energy Industry.
This is the essence.
Don't yall get it? THATS WHY WE CHRISTIAN CONSERVATIVES LIEK the Neo-Cons!
We liek their 'In Your Face' attitude towards America ... towards her citizens ... towards the American Soldier ... toward the Middle Class.
It's a new era! The Neo-Cons came to power to SUPPLANT the weakness of DEMOCRACY ... such as ...
- DISSENT
- HONEST GOVERMENT
- OPEN GOVERMENT
- INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS
- A NON-POLITICIZED JUDICIARY
To Neo-Conservatives (and we Christian Conservatives agree) --- these five issues are great for those with a LIBURAL World View ... but that is is a Post 9/11 world.
Neo-Cons intend to use that event to eliminate the SOUL of the United States. To Neo-Cons ... a SOUL is an entry point for our enemies.
Which to Neo-Cons ... is everybody.
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Teech1 year, 4 months ago
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Just who in hell does that punk congressional committee think they are in summoning the great and powerful Rove. He answers to no government lackeys and answers to King George only. The Bushtapo does NOT answer to silly ass laws or provisos of that silly old piece of paper called The Constitution.
Fie on your paper, fie on your common laws, fie on all of you serfs. You WILL honor the divine right of kings! National security uber alles!
Rove has repeatedly stated that he'll talk if there is NO record kept, NO tape recording, and the talk is informal, non binding, and he can lie like a motherf*cker with no consequences. Now, what's wrong with a deal like that?
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Goppy1 year, 4 months ago
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Exactly, Teech!
All these Neo-Cons need is FOUR MORE YEARS to consolidate (infect) their ideeologie to accomplish their ULTIMATE goal ... UN-ACCOUNTABILITY.
All that needs to happen is to have Johnny 'Slick' McCain become the next presdient!
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BB641 year, 4 months ago
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Teech, Rove was an employee of President Bush, not an elected official. He's protected by the term Executive Privilege. As I've mentioned before, if you want to change this and clearly define the rights of the President and his staff, then amend the Constitution. Your other comments are strictly ridiculous. If the President really was a king or dictator, you would have already been picked up by one of the blue party vans. I believe in Nazi German, the USSR, Cuba or Venezuela it's the fog and mist decree.
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lfergie8121 year, 4 months ago
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All I heard when Clinton was being investigated is "What is he trying to hide?" and the Supreme Court ruled that he had to give testimony. Now that the other party is being investigated it's Executive Privilege. Make up your mind. Executive Privilege does not overrule the investigation of a crime. The Republicans didn't quit until they got Clinton to make a false comment under oath. Now I would like to hear Karl under oath and see how many lies that he's told.
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BB641 year, 4 months ago
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I really think Clinton wasn't an honest politician. He made great sums of money trading in futures and other very risky investments. It's called insider trading by the way.
Also with the Global Crossing and Whitewater Development Corporation regulators were told to stand down when questions arose. Before you claim it was a Bush thing, this was well before he was in office.
Another problem besides the renting out of the Lincoln bedroom to the highest bidder, I think people didn't like the selling of pardons. Lots of pardons were issued in the final days of the Clinton White House. Many were to people who didn't deserve them. Some also question the convenient heart attacks and suicides that seem to follow the Clinton's.
I think the worst, the multiple payouts for claims of sexual misconduct. One okay, money grubber looking for a fast buck. 4-8 claims of assault and sex with a young intern in the Oval office, we seem to have a problem that needs help.
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questionseverything1 year, 4 months ago
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there is no executive priveledge in the constitution,its rather a gift from the supreme court
there r witnesses that have sworn under oath that rove was involved in the seiglman case,the current ag is obstructing justice by not bringing the contempt charges of the senate before a grande jury
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jordan111 year, 4 months ago
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I really think Clinton wasn't an honest politician.>>>>>
Given the climate of the past seven years, the death, the destruction, the lies, the law breaking, the Constistution trashing.....yours is an absurd remark!! Next to the current gang of thugs, Clinton is little lord fauntleroy! And you had best get your head around what they've done, and how it's affecting YOUR country! This "but but but but but but Clinton" crap is pathological!
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Goppy1 year, 4 months ago
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LOL!
Little Lord Fauntleroy! I liek that.
Yes ... continuing the references to characters from fine literature ... if you had to measure the length of Clinton's nose and Goerge W. Bush's nose ... were each to reprise the role of Pinnochio ... Clinton's nose might shade his shoes ... but Gee Dub's nose would span three time zones.
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bigG1 year, 4 months ago
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"Another problem besides the renting out of the Lincoln bedroom to the highest bidder, I think people didn't like the selling of pardons."
You better hold your breath pal, I will bet the ranch that you are fixing to see some real doozies right before Bush leaves - and Rove will be one of them.
By the way, EP ONLY APPLIES TO NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUES. Covering up of criminal acts doesn't fit in that category.
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cushi1 year, 4 months ago
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Do you think Bush is? I'm just trying to see where your head is because if you think Clinton is dishonest (and I'm not disputing that) how could you not recognize the same to an even greater and extensive degree, in the present administration? That blows my mind!!
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FSU92grad1 year, 4 months ago
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BB64,
lfergie, how's that ass-whoopin doin' for ya ?
Thanks BB64 for countering the "Rove Witch Hunt" which the libs love so much..As always they take something small and trivial and blow it way out of proportion...
They want SOOOoooooo bad what happen to "slick willy" to happen to Bush and colleagues...Pay back time ! And they will do just about anything to crucify anyone with a elephant or "R" by their name...
They cannot stand the fact that them and their party suck a$$...
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djn3nunez31 year, 4 months ago
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"They want SOOOoooooo bad what happen to "slick willy" to happen to Bush and colleagues..."
Yeah maybe if Bush was getting blown regularly he wouldn't have needed to invade an oil rich Arab nation that didn't attack us or pose a significant threat to us. Maybe he could have stayed focused on bringing al Queda and the Taliban to justice(instead of letting them have a home base in Talibanistan). Hells-bells maybe he would have been focused enough to put a stop to the 9-11 attacks altogether.
Oh wait, you meant impeached but aquitted on all charges, nah, I rather see him leave office as the most disgrace American President of all time (that he is), and then face charges for his administrations crimes.
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tkyrchncs1 year, 4 months ago
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For the love of Ol' Mrs. Mitchell! Clinton lied about who he screwed in his own home, and the Republicans cost the nation a young fortune over it and haven't gotten over it yet.
Bush's lies have cost us over 4000 American lives, trillions of dollars we don't have, the value of our reputation AND the value of our currency in foreign lands, untold personal expenses to private citizens due to the cost of oil. And these are the SMALL things compared to what he's done to our Constitution and laws with his oath-breaking. Get your head out of youe a$$, FSU. What is your degree? BS in Self-Deception?!?
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dunkirk1 year, 4 months ago
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"He made great sums of money trading in futures and other very risky investments. It's called insider trading by the way."
ROFLMAO, yes it is and why not tell us what the investigation found?? Oh yeah nothing. Damn how reality tends to blow your arguments away.
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dunkirk1 year, 4 months ago
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Sorry neg'd by mistake. Your absolutely right, Rove committed crimes while acting in a government positions. The repugs seem to think its perfectly OK to claim executive privelege when there is clear evidence that they have violated the law yet see nothing wrong in invetistigating a presidents sex life when it clearly didnt effect his performance in the office nor did it violate any law. What would the din have been from the hAlpha crowd if CLinton claimed executive privelege.
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vandee1 year, 4 months ago
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First of all, the concept of "Executive Privilege" is NOT in the U.S. Constitution, anywhere. It is a concept that was introduced by the Supreme Court to ONLY cover issues of extreme national security, where if information was revealed about something that could legitimately compromise the security of our nation, then Executive Privilege could be invoked.
That means that Executive Privilege does NOT allow the President or his staff to commit crimes, break Federal law and otherwise subvert the overall rule of law in the U.S. (which this White House has done repeatedly in it's 7 years in office) and then claim "Executive Privilege" to avoid being investigated. Bush invoked Executive Privilege 4 times in a single month alone when stonewalling the U.S. attorney investigation. If you believe that has anything to do with national security, send me an IM, I've got a bridge I want to sell you.
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BB641 year, 4 months ago
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Goppy, you talk smack all the time yet you support the likes of Clinton and Obama. Get real.
As to your comments, you guys whine constantly about the Bush White House and Executive Privilege. Clinton's team hid behind it and you guys never said a word, because it suited your needs.
Here's the deal, you have control of the Senate and House. Amend the Constitution if you really want to properly define Executive Privilege. While you're at it, correct the problems with the Supreme Court, they're not doing the job our founding fathers had in mind. Congress writes the laws and the courts enforces them. Since the late 30's, the court has slowly become a political activist court. That was never their intended job. It's better with Robert there but they're still trying to write the law.
Then again, that would mean the DNC controlled House and Senate would actually have to do something. I mean other than the tax increases,non-binding resolutions and no drilling rallies.
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Goppy1 year, 4 months ago
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More BLA BLA BLA from the head propagandist.
You need to bring that wifey of yours home BB ... cause your trash talkin is gettin spooky.
Hear's the deal. We Neo-Cons SCREAM bloody murder about the Activist Court ... as a prelude to INSTITUTIN ACTIVIST JUDGES!
I know you know that ... so just be honest.
It's how the Neo-Conservative Propaganda Machine operates.
Look ... before we instituted FOX ... we mounted a campaign that Whined and Groused about 'LIBUERAL MEDIA'. Now ... even though there's no such thing ... we had to INVENT it so that we could POSITION our Right Wing FOX network as an ALTERNATIVE to MSM.
Its all MARKETING.
Just liek the Supreme Court. What Judge could POSSIBLY be more ACTIVIST than Scalia ... SCALIA ... for God's sake!
Scalia says HE and ONLY HE knows what the founding fathers INTENDED!! LOL!!
And that Clarence Thomas Fella! MAN ALIVE! He don't believe PRECEDENT should be considered ... THEREBY THROWING INTO DOUBT ALL PREVIOUS LAWS!
ACTIVIST INDEED.
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BB641 year, 4 months ago
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I'm having a very difficult time reading or at least understanding your statements. I understand that you're most likely a product of the public schools, but can't you at least use, say 3rd grade English?
What you're asking for simply isn't possible legally, at least the way the current laws are written or in this case not written. Executive Privilege was never defined by the founding father's. If you want clear cut by the book laws the President and his staff must follow, put in in writing. Your team has control of the Senate and House. With the media playing lapdog to anything liberal, they would help gain the support of the American people. Trust me, Mumbles Bush couldn't talk his way out of this one, if you really wanted to do this. I truly suspect that neither party really wants to define this provision. It's easier to snipe at each other.
BTW-I am not a fan of President Bush. He's not a conservative.
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Goppy1 year, 4 months ago
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I've explained it often joeeddie.
Let me do it again ... just for you ... cause I know you got that OCD thing goin.
We Christian Conservatives and Neo-Con supporters DEMANDED - (notice the all caps ... I believe that's how I've presented this case several times.) -DEMANDED that Johnny move his policies to be in line with those of Gee Dub ... ESPECIALLY on the Iraq War ... which ... as we all know ... is the BEST expression of what the Neo-Con Military Minded Set is all about.
Perhaps you are forgetting how Johnny's poll numbers were 'Less Than Stellar' when he criticized the war effort.
It wasn't until Johnny started to wave the "I LOVE this war" flag ... and promised to stay in Iraq for 100 years .... that we Christian Conservatives embraced Johnny.
Of course, that's why I liek to call him ... Johnny Slick.
OK, joeedie?
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lovemylibs1 year, 4 months ago
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> McCain is a neo-con - CHECK!
> McCain promises 100 years in Iraq - CHECK!
> McCain is McSame is McBush is "W" - CHECK!
You followed the exact order of talking points that Arianna sent out yesterday. I appreciate that in you and how you don't let that lessen the image you have of yourself. It really is a gift. With your continued diligence, we liberals will even have the world believing soon that McCain is the head neo-con in charge. The truth you spout really is different from propaganda, isn't it?
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Grrr1 year, 4 months ago
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Except that your premises are wrong on most points.
The media is playing lapdog to anything CON and has for thirty years, now. The Dems do not have control of the house. For that they'd need a veto-proof majority. And it wouldn't matter, now, would it? Please see the story this thread is under. Congress does indeed have the power to compel Rove's testimony or jail him for contempt, executive privilege be damned. It's tough when it's near 50/50 partisan like it is, but neither Bush nor Rove have done representatives any favors lately, so that's where it's at. As long as the Supreme Court will back them in the end. And thanks to the ACTIVIST JUDGES that Bush has appointed, that's not likely during this administration. And if it gets in front of the SCOTUS now, they'll likely set precedent.
Goppy is right on, as usual. And you, as usual, are one of the ones shilling for the CON in the guise of neo-conservatism and attempting to lay down the fog and mist here. Sheer rot.
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BB641 year, 4 months ago
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Wow, your crack pipe really needs cleaning. The Con media? That's why for every John McCain news article there's 10 times the Obama references. That's why when it was revealed that Obama when to the Afro Nazi church known for spewing hate for over 23 years, the press buried the story and no one is asking about it. When Michelle clearly said this was the first time she was ever proud of her country, the media let it slip that Cindy McCain had been in rehab for a prescription drug problem. The media is neither far nor balanced.
As to Rove's testimony, not if it concerns the White House. He's protected under the Executive Privilege. Change the laws or don't expect his testimony. That plus wasn't Rove an attorney? I don't remember.
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questionseverything1 year, 4 months ago
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As to Rove's testimony, not if it concerns the White House. He's protected under the Executive Privilege.
ep only extends to millitary and /or national security...politicalizing the justice department and/or bringing false charges against dems is neither
do u realize by saying ,if it has to do with the wh? u r admitting that the pres/vp were involved in selective procecussions?
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Goppy1 year, 4 months ago
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Man Alive!
You are DEALIN CRACK, BB!
Now you are bringin the NAZI shabazz into the exchanges!
Bad idea.
What three industrialized nations used nationalistic propaganda and lies to invade another nation in the last 70 years?
- NAZI Germany ... led by Hitler
- Communist Soviet Union ... led by Brezhnev
- The United States ... led by Bush.
Face it BB ... the Neo-Con ideeologie is the ideeologie of our Godless historical enemies. Course, military contractors LOVE this ideeologie because it mean MILLIONS to them.
Not much for the brave soldier ... but MILLIONS for Weapons Makers.
To Neo-Cons ... the American Soldier is an after thought ... an unreliable element.
That's why the Neo-Cons LOVE BlackWater ... and why they pay BlackWater Soldiers 100 TIMES as much as the American Soldier ... and grouse about even that.
No ... to Neo-Cons such as Rumsfeld, Bush, Cheney (Draft Dodgers All) the American Soldier is ... to use Rush's reference ... a Phoney Soldier.
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obiefrommuskogee1 year, 4 months ago
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Uh-Oh, BB64 used that "spew" word. That automatically disqualifies him/her from saying anything credible.
Btw, almost all media in the US is now owned by Israel supporters. Kinda like they were taking over all the banks in pre-Hitler Germany. These folks are Neo-Cons incarnate. They want the US in Iraq forever so we can continue our "obligation" (whatever the hell that is, as Condi Rice stated) to Israel.
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MajJohn1 year, 4 months ago
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The separation of powers, three equal branches of government, have been discussed dozens of times on Netscape and it's those concepts that lead to executive privilege.
If in the due course of carrying out his duties in office the President is entitled to have his communications kept private or his office would become subordinate to congress. Congress has the same privileges in its communications.
If a President lies before a grand jury about a matter not related to separation of powers or the execution of his duties, then privilege does not apply. Nor would it apply in a cover up concerning a break in during a reelection or donations to a reelection campaign from foreign entities.
It remains to be seen if congress can force Rove to testify. The courts would rightly have to decide if privilege could be properly invoked.
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Goppy1 year, 4 months ago
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The entire essence of the Bush administration has been to innoculate the Presdient from ALL ACCOUNTABILITY.
They have such hubris, they believe they can apply retribution to their perceived enemies by 'punishing' them by ruining careers ... such as Attorneys General and undercover CIA agents.
This is a rogue administration that has the support of certain 'military type's ... just as there have always been certain 'military types' who seek to overthrow goverments that they deem (in their supreme arrogance) as too ... populist.
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FSU92grad1 year, 4 months ago
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oh...Pul-leaze.....
Just like you're entrenched in the lefty, loony propaganda and jumping on board the Osama express, not because he's a good candidate, but because he's got a lot of bling, but no substance...
Typical for you libs...Just look at your past Democrap choices...
no substance...
Keep on wasting your votes on crappy candidates...At least I would respect you more if Hillary was the nominee...She makes more sense, than this flip-flopping, anti-American, Marxist who claims that he wasn't in the pews when his precious Rev. Wright was spewing his hate...
He was probably outside smoking his cigarettes and thinking up more lies he could feed the public...
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dunkirk1 year, 4 months ago
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ROFLMAO, well the Curly Howard of the right steps up and starts the GOP flip flop hula. More respect for Hillary as the candidate when a few short months ago it was the worst possible candidate. Followed by a defense of hte who he talked to 20 years ago is more important then what he says today. ROFLMAO, and to boot after repeated attempts to have the right fright dealers indicate what legislation has Obama presented to support those anti-American views you seem to like to babble about and Ive yet to get a single response, Halpha again cant back up her spin and like a lemming you just follow along.
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Goppy1 year, 4 months ago
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Yes ... Congress writes the laws ... and then GW gets David Addingham to add a 'Signing Statement' to each law.
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/05/12/...
The intent of each Signing Statement is essentially the same ... to EXCLUDE Goerge W. Bush from being bound by the law.
Now ... tell me, MajJohn ... when you swore an oath to our nation ... was it to protect the Constitution ... or to protect the Office of The Man Who Has Undermined that same Constitution?
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MajJohn1 year, 4 months ago
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I swore to uphold the constitution. I'm not giving George a free ride, but I do want the branches of government to be co-equal and to do that I'm willing to submit to the interpretation of the court. In a sense my support hopefully results in protection of the office, and hopefully goops you'll understand that is not meant to protect the man.
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vandee1 year, 4 months ago
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First of all, the concept of "Executive Privilege" is NOT in the U.S. Constitution, anywhere. It is a concept that was introduced by the Supreme Court to ONLY cover issues of extreme national security, where if information was revealed about something that could legitimately compromise the security of our nation, then Executive Privilege could be invoked.
That means that Executive Privilege does NOT allow the President or his staff to commit crimes, break Federal law and otherwise subvert the overall rule of law in the U.S. (which this White House has done repeatedly in it's 7 years in office) and then claim "Executive Privilege" to avoid being investigated. Bush invoked Executive Privilege 4 times in a single month alone when stonewalling the U.S. attorney investigation. If you believe that has anything to do with national security, send me an IM, I've got a bridge I want to sell you.
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MajJohn1 year, 4 months ago
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You believe that the President who had every right to keep whatever attorneys he wanted, no one questions that, can not keep his discussions with his staff private concerning this legal act and that a partisan congress can have an investigation for nothing other than political reasons, admitted to by the Democrats. National security issues are not at the heart of the resistance by the President to have his discussions released. First congress must say what law was broken and the reason they are investigating the illegal act. This they can't do. The courts will ultimately decide who's right here. The courts previous decisions upheld the equality of the Legislative and Executive branches and national security was not considered.
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smeejay1 year, 4 months ago
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Abso-f-ing-lutely! This coward, for me, sums up the entire big boys elitist country club approach to politics. It's not what you win, it's simply that you win. Regardless of what you have to do to just win. Roy Cohn's dirty tricks pale in comparison to this snake of a man. Even if Jabba the Entire Village, Schutze is much too piggy to be just the Hut, doesn't get nailed on this one he will die despised, like Jesse Helms, for manipulating his evil genius through this corrupt regime.
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 4 months ago
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Ad hominem: latin, 'against the man'. It means attacking the person you are arguing against, rather than his argument.
Endoscopy; ad hominem attacks are wrong, and usualy obscene and childish too; but I don't think you will deliver an effective sermon against them, unless you also complain when a conservative does it.
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Lincoln851 year, 4 months ago
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Congress approval rating was never in the single digits with the repubs...like it is now....thanks Gallup for letting my voice be heard. Pelosi is the most inept speaker of the house that has ever been. Of course you won't hear that from the radical websites or the left media.
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Aidenag1 year, 4 months ago
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Rove has now fled the country according to his lawyer. Guess he has something to hide, that is big enough he is afraid he will go to jail over....
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Rove_disses_Congr...
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flyonthewallzz1 year, 4 months ago
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BB64 ;
Dude: I supported an argument you made earlier regarding executive privilege.
As a mater of plain history the words "executive privilege" can not be found in our Constitution. The Privilege has been invoked more times during the current administration than all of past history. Your comment about not wishing to mess with it was why I voted for it. I think, that when tested, it will be ripped from law, most previous Presidents backed down. It is worth remembering that since the beginning of the Republican Party they have held the Executive office for a big majority of the time.
There will be an inevitable backlash to the power grab from this current administration,
The historical tendency is to place an Executive of you partisan beliefs, and their power will be diminished due to what I see as a flagrant abuse of a power that really does not exist. I think that only Ike's use of it will be the only time it was looked upon favorably historically.
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 4 months ago
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It is the duty of the president to uphold the laws of the country.
If he breaks the laws, it is the duty of his aids, assistants, spokesmen, appointees and all other fellow government employees to turn him in.
They work for us; they serve at OUR pleasure.
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antibrainwasher1 year, 4 months ago
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Karl Rove had the govenour investigated on trumped up charges of bribery, and sentenced to 7 years in Jail, thrown out of office...and why? Because he was a democrat and Rove had the political machine to do so.
Politicization of the justice department and law enforcement and investigative system is beyond illegal, its an attack on the fundamental basis for this society.
Of course Rove is guilty of mastermining this insanity. This is right out of the play book of Delay and every banana republic junta military regime out there.
Politicization of the justice department and jailing politically elected officials...I cannot imaging a worse abuse of power. That is a direct attack on AMERICA from within.
We must defeat these veto proof republican senators, the cabal who are goosestepping lockstep with Bush and Rove. The DNC has targeted 12 senators, such as they targeted effectively Santorum and DeWine. Money talks, Cons walk. Donate DNC. Don't bitch, DONATE.
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BB641 year, 4 months ago
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Democrats are harping on the corruption of the Republican Party. Please note that Democrat corruption in government is widespread and far reaching. I could have listed many examples of Democrat corruption such as Sandy Berger stealing documents from the National Archives- however- I decided to look at headlines over the last three months. The below are headline from September - just over 3 months of Democrat corruption.
- An independent counsel who investigated possible tax violations by former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Henry Cisneros charged that the Clinton administration thwarted his efforts to get to the truth.
- U.S. Rep. William Jefferson (D-La.) is under criminal investigation by the U.S. Justice Department for possible bribery in exchange for promoting business deals in Africa
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BB641 year, 4 months ago
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Federal prosecutors alleged in court documents that Ernest Newton, a former state Democrat Connecticut senator worked with a reputed mobster and his associate to try to stop police raids on businesses and advance their business interests
- Clarence Norman Jr., the longtime powerbroker of Brooklyn NY Democrats was found guilty of intentionally soliciting illegal campaign contributions.
- A top aide to Jim Black, the Democratic speaker of the state Legislature of North Carolina, resigned amid reports he had received payments from a company hoping for the lottery contract. The .State Board of Elections is investigating Black's campaign finances. The investigation comes after the group Democracy North Carolina said it found evidence that video-poker operators were funneling money through unsuspecting donors to Black's campaign.
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- West Virginia.Logan County Clerk Glen Dale "Hound Dog" Adkins admitted to selling his vote for $500 in the 1996 Democratic Party primary, while Perry French Harvey Jr. pleaded guilty to conspiring to bribe voters in last year's Democratic contest
- Former Democrat Gov. Donald Siegelman of Alabama was charged in a "widespread racketeering conspiracy" that includes accusations he took a bribe from former hospital executive Richard Scrushy for a key state appointment.
- Frank Ballance - a former Democrat Rep. from North Carolina was sentenced to four years in federal prison for conspiring to divert taxpayer money to his law firm and family through a charitable organization he helped start. Ballance, was a state senator before being elected to Congress in 2002, also agreed to repay $61,917 and to forfeit $203,000 in a bank escrow account in the name of the John A. Hyman Memorial Foundation.
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- Five Democratic activists in Wisconsin accused of slashing the tires of vans rented by Republicans on Election Day 2004 are currently on trial
- Chuck Chvala, a Former Democrat Wisconsin Senate Majority Leader was sentenced to nine months in jail for felony misconduct in office and illegally funneling campaign contributions. Chvala had reached a plea deal with prosecutors earlier this year, admitting to charges that he directed a state employee to run a political campaign and used an independent expenditure group to funnel campaign contributions to a fellow Democrat.
- Brett Pfeffer, a former legislative director to Rep. William Jefferson, D-La., pleaded guilty to aiding and abetting bribery of a public official and conspiracy.
- Raymond Reggie, a New Orleans political Democratic consultant and fund-raiser who is Senator Kennedy's brother-in-law was sentenced to a year in prison yesterday after pleading guilty to bank fraud charges.
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- Former Democrat Gov. Donald Siegelman of Alabama was charged in a "widespread racketeering conspiracy" that includes accusations he took a bribe from former hospital executive Richard Scrushy for a key state appointment.
this is the charge/involvement rove will not testify about
and btw seiglemans conviction was overturned by the appeals court,seigleman didnt get a dime the "bribe" money went to a state lottery fund to help fund schools,,,,the rub was that abromhoff didnt want the lottery because of the indian casios which mcsame covered up in committee....wow thats confusing huh?
u can get entire story @ www.bradblog.com
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That's because the person in charge of a senate investigation is a Democrat. No Democrat has ever charged another Democrat.
As to investigations, I'm sure the FBI is looking into this but it wouldn't be easy. Going after a well protected US Senator who whats to be president. It will never happen.
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ecotourusa1 year, 4 months ago
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I hate to surprise you, but obama would give us the same, as well. I'm not voting for either.
go to: http://campaignforliberty.org
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Well, since only a fool thinks there is a socialist party, then vote for DP.
I'm really amazed at the people who think that nationalizing health care is socialism, or taxing the rich is socialism. Almost every one of these fools is a mal-educated working class moron with a crap job, a crap house, and a crap income. Yet they vote republican, because they hate blacks, or hate liberals, or hate educated people who think for themselves, they call these middle class folks "elites".
The CEO of Exon recieved a 350 million dollar retirement bonus in 2006. This is more than the anual salary of ever single union memeber in the country, the union workers accounting for 9% of the work force. Yet you will no doubt focus your hillbilly anger on the unions, calling working people socialists, while you work your crap job, and worship the billionaires, because Jeesus was a rich white english speaking republican.
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"is a mal-educated working class moron with a crap job"
If it was socialism, and they knew what socialism is, they'd support it. You are correct; nationalizing something is not socialism. Socialism is the idea that the working class should control the means of production within a society and is a transition between capitalism and communism. In socialism, the working class call all the shots, much as the capitalists tend to call the shots in capitalism. The ideas of a single payer health system and that the government and wealthy have a responsibility to help the poor is modern liberalism and some of our greatest Presidents followed this philosophy in each party. It is what most of the civilized world pursues, actually.
Also, if you laid off the insults, you might be better at getting your point across.
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antibrainwasher1 year, 4 months ago
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Nice doggerel C.
Rove represents a level of unpresidented political cynicism. He is taking advantage of the FACT that his base of voters is an army of ignorant evangelical christians, loyal, racist and ignorant. They are the recipients of the propaganda from the 100% right wing corporate owned and corporate conservative profit minded commercials selling billionaire operated, corporate conservative media corporate boards, all for profit media.
True conservatives wouldn't be caught dead in any nascar hillbilly red state, yet the moron evangelical votes republican anyway, in kind of a haratio alger/protestant work ethic/ racist/ tribal / jesus was conservative, rich, white, status quo, delusion.
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ConquerorWyrm1 year, 4 months ago
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Republican Apologists...regardless of anything else, this was a subpoena and Rove is now a private citizen, NOT a member of the administration. Penalties for failure to appear should, and you would agree if you actually cared for the law, for Rove the same as it would be for you or I.
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Endoscopy1 year, 4 months ago
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Not quite accurate. While he is now a private citizen they don't want to talk to him about what happened before or after he was part of the administration. He is covered about testifying about what happened while being in the administration.
Is that easy enough for you to understand or do I have to take it to a grade school level.
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Sorry, puppy boy...not good enough. You seem to forget just who this Government is, who Rove worked for and who Bush works for. This Administration, as with any and all administrations, are obligated and beholden to their employers, the People of the United States, and have no justification for withholding information regarding their performance in the offices which they hold by the grace of the People. This Administration, as with any and all administrations, should be held open as to their decisions, the motivations and available to audit by the People. They should receive absolutely NO special protections. If criminal acts are exposed, then they should be prosecuted to the full extent.
Executive Privilege DOES NOT EXIST for the covering up of criminal acts or for the commission of criminal acts, such as ignoring a Congressional subpoena.
Is that easy enough for you to understand or do I have to take it to a grade school level?
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Lincoln851 year, 4 months ago
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I hope you have that same belief and stance towards the clinton's..their taxes...and Gore's dealing with the chinese. I would wager that you don't..for either partisan reasons or lack of a good memory. After Clinton lost the election..the white house was basically trashed by staffers...there was thousands of dollars of damage..including..the removing of every "W" from all keyboards. The outrage of this behavior was...well... similar to crickets chirping.
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Don't over assume, sir...
I spent the 90s as a Libertarian and railed long and hard against those very issues (though not against the bj thing 'cause that was what tacky, amoral republicans did). So yes, I have always held that stance.
As for that story about the removing of every "W" and stuff, um, don't tell me you still believe that! My God! Sir, you were only supposed to take a 6oz cup of the Kool-aid, not a pitcher and a half!
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 4 months ago
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Actualy, that whole 'clinton staffers trashing the white house' was a lie.
Ironically, the investigation came in response to a request from Rep. Bob Barr (R.-Ga.), and many conservatives who had assumed that the wild rumors would be confirmed by an official inquiry
The formal investigation by the GAO showed only the usual trash and trouble of a transition.
The lie was traced back to Ari Fliescer; but Fox and Rush helped.
http://articles.latimes.com/2002/jun/12/nation/...
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1689
http://www.dailyhowler.com/h061501_1.shtml
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"I hope you have that same belief and stance towards the clinton's..their taxes...and Gore's dealing with the chinese"
Of course! Anything else would be hypocrisy. Our government should be as transparent as possible, regardless of which party is in power.
Ignoring subpoenas and refusing to testify under oath is an extremely disturbing trend that frankly smacks of an administration with contempt for the very principles that underpin this nation.
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Make no mistake, the GOP has gommed up the works for the last 4 years, and Bush vetoed everything they did get done. And it's no secret. The answer is an over 65% Dem control of both Houses. And we'll get that done in just a bit. Because we're onto your bullsh!t. The lies just seem to be rolling off the backs of the public these days, except for you shills, even though the MSM hasn't let up a dang bit with the ministry of propaganda routine. And if you think yet another rigged election is gonna do the trick, you're in for a surprise. We've had it with this ignorant sh!t. You're defending real honest-to-god criminals and traitors. Wake the f*ck up.
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Congress should find him in contempt of Congress and then go snag his butt and haul him off to the hooze-gow. I am sick of the entire gaggle of idiots currently occupying Congress. Republicons and Democrats alike need to remember that they all took an oath of office to uphold, protect and defend our Constitution. That oath was not just a freaking ceremony. The founders of this nation pledged their lives, their fortunes and their SACRED HONOR to bring this nation into existence.
This was meant to be a government OF, BY and FOR the PEOPLE. It was not intended to be a gaggle of geese constantly jockeying for position and power. They have not the will to do what is right, but rather seem to always opt for the votes that will garner the most money from lobbyists for their campaign coffers. The only time they will speak to WE, the PEOPLE is when they want OUR votes. And then, it needs to be tied to a photo op. Preferably with a child or a puppy thrown in.
Throw the bums out.
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antibrainwasher1 year, 4 months ago
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Yeah, that's too bad, what a miscarriage of justice, that clinton, who committed no crime, should go free even though republicans didn't like him. He should have been thrown in jail, like Rove had the governer of Alabama thrown in jail, for being a democrat.
Endo, you are a GREAT loyal republiccan Vote republican, vote to have visonairies like the great Endo promoted to high levels of the justice department, perhaps even the supreme court, for his loyal partisan before country brown shirt swiftboating exuberance.
Hell, lets write Endo in for president, he'd carry more support from inbred evangelicals that Whatthefukelbee.
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automan9091 year, 4 months ago
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This Congress has a worse rating than President Bush.
What's with that lefties?
It's your Democratic Congress and they can't get anything done. It's all hot air. No Substance.
Just admit it. You need a Republican majority because you Democrats just don't get it.
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more swiftboating lunacy from the AM. The filibustering republicans senate veto proof block and the far and hard right vetoing president are preventing any progress prosecuting Rove, and then the swiftboaters turn around and blame the dems in congress for having no power to prosecute Rove.
Classic ignorant swiftboating, partisanship before country, classic Republican textbook Rovian doctrine, do something incredibly shockingly immoral to grab power, then blame the dems for the consequences.
Its just playground bullies, 3rd grade playground bully mentality, taken to the highest office. Some people never grow up, they just perfect their neurotic sadism.
Vote republican, vote to have AM in a high policy position in McSeniles regime.
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CHAM1 year, 4 months ago
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Carl Rove disses Congress? I am shocked, shocked I tell you. That moral icon Rove? Why he's almost as good as Bush or maybe Cheney.
He and the other two can do what he just did with impunity because under this Administration we have lost our rights.
Isn't it wild that there are people in America who actually defend this type behavior? They are called Bushies AKA Repuvlicans, doers of dastardly deeds while proclaiming loudly their great love of freedom. Theirs and only theirs, you don't deserve any. If you're not for em you're again em.
The only problem they have with the great unwashed is that they are so nothing compared to themselves.
Can't you just expect this behavior from any of the Bush crowd?
I Do.
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CHAM1 year, 4 months ago
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Endo, right you are, I mentioned a couple of nights ago about a book "None Dare Call It Treason" about Johnson and his crowd of Bush look alikes.
Evil is as evil does, and neither the Republicans nor the Democrats are shining examples of good moral leadership.
And they never will be as long as we allow them to get away with it. We ned to shed Party First politics and become Americans.
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"None dare call it Treason"?
1964 right-wing screed; blamed America's problems on commie sympathizers.
Johnson was a commie symp?
http://www.danielpipes.org/article/526
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CHAM1 year, 4 months ago
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Yes mmrhe, I thought he was the worst President ever in the United States, then came Bush the Younger to unseat him.
I thought it dispicable of those Democrats who lined up to praise the sob and quietly said to myself, "The Republicans are too moral to allow this behavior from their own group".
I must admit I was absolutely wrong. Repubs now stand up for their Criminal just as the Democrats did for theirs and America as a whole continues to suffer from do nothing!
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CHAM1 year, 4 months ago
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Lincoln, I have never stood up for a charlatan, once I knew that he was corrupt.
I have been against Clinton since he was Attorney General of Arkansas. If you would like to know why, either look up his record there or just ask me to fill you in.
I do confess that I campaigned for Bush the first time, but that was my mistake. And on the threads I asked for forgiveness. Corrupt officials come from all parties and all groups.
What bothers me is that there are people who know that their party leaders are real creepy people and in the case of Johnson, Clinton, and Both Bushes, brought death and destruction to those who deserved better.
They were and are criminals. They should have been prosecuted. They weren't. And the reason they weren't is because of enablers, who turn a blind eye to their evil simply because they're party.
The absolutely worst way to select a President is "to support the party" Sure wish I could make that clear to everyone.
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CHAM1 year, 4 months ago
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Yes they have betrayed us - although at our invitation. When we allowed Clinton, Nixon, Johnson to walk, we approved of nefarious behavior of our elected leaders.
They saw the light and sold their souls to the Oligharchy, or as I call them the Shadow Government, that small group of rich and powerful men and Corporations who have bought off all our leaders and effectively function as our government - because we allow them to.
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antibrainwasher1 year, 4 months ago
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Nixon was impeached. Clinton was guilty of getting a hummer. Johnson committed no crimes and was not prosecuted, and did not run for reelection.
Rove, on the other hand, sucessfully politicized the justice department, which is without doubt, the worst power abuse I've ever heard about. He had the governer of Alabama prosecuted and thrown in jail on trumped up charges using a republican political prosecution machine he created, just for a power grab.
Every govenment since the beginning of time has been run by rich and powerful men. The differnece now, is the rich and powerful superclass has no country. They are now globalist, without borders. Exon does not need America to be profitable, neither does Honda, Toyota, Ford, GM, Walmart, or any oil company, finance company, bank, Drug war lord, or Billionaire.
However, you are correct, the american rednecks voted republican for guns, gays, abortion, flags and allowed the rich to rape the country.
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LastTragicHero1 year, 4 months ago
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It's so funny to see that by the time Neo-Con's have launched their attacks from the beginning of this thread, the focus became the Congressional appoval rating,rather than Rove's out-and-out disregard to justice and accountability.
My question to Neo-Con's is this? Are you part of the top 1% of the wealth in this country. If your answer is "yes", first let me congratulate you on your success, secondly, let me also commend you on backing the correct party for your income level. Now, if you fall within the 99% of the rest of this country, and you consider yourself a neo-con, or support Bush STILL, then chances are you are from the South, have less then a college degree, are somewhat racist, and have allowed yourself to be duped into backing a party that could absolutely care less about abortion, gay marriage, or any other social issue. When are you guys gonna wake up?
What else do Bush,Cheney,and Rove have to do to convince you that they don't care about this country?
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Lincoln851 year, 4 months ago
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conservatives care about abortion, gay marriage, and many other social issues..just maybe do not support your view. I don't consider myself a neocon (its a cute term..just like you may not consider yourself a socialist). I have post college level degrees, but am not in the top 1% of wealth in this country. I am also not from the south. How stereotypical of you and why do you think people from the south are stupid? Shame on you...you probably were glad that Katrina displaced southerners. I don't carry water for Bush..but can get behind him more than I can all the socialists in your part...I could be swayed to support an intellectually honest man like Leibermen...but even the socialist party threw him out and now he is an independent.
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CHAM1 year, 4 months ago
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Lincoln. I am from the South. Have an Advanced degree. I assure you that Neo-Con's are real. I look on them as the modern day Neocolonialists.
I think this country is in trouble. Not from Republicans, Not from Democrats, but from their own ineptitude.
When one cannot see the corruption given birth by this current Administration and their cohorts in Congress, then the people are either blind to corruption or choose to be so.
But it didn't start with this Bush or the first Bush or even after WWII. To see what great Americans some of our largest Corporations are, start with the run up to WWII and the unholy alliance between I G Farben and Standard Oil and keep on reading from there
I would also suggest some reading about Neocolonialism and its history. You just might see a mirror image with what I call the Shadow Government of today.
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Fosrestoy1 year, 4 months ago
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The separation of powers, three equal branches of government, have been discussed dozens of times on Netscape and it's those concepts that lead to executive privilege.
If in the due course of carrying out his duties in office the President is entitled to have his communications kept private or his office would become subordinate to congress. Congress has the same privileges in its communications.
If a President lies before a grand jury about a matter not related to separation of powers or the execution of his duties, then privilege does not apply. Nor would it apply in a cover up concerning a break in during a reelection or donations to a reelection campaign from foreign entities.
See also: http://alleducationinfo.com/rateofeducationinth...
It remains to be seen if congress can force Rove to testify. The courts would rightly have to decide if privilege could be properly invoked.
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antibrainwasher1 year, 4 months ago
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F, there is no doubt that there was a conserted effort to politicize the justice department, firing judges prosecuting republican politicians, and not prosecuting dems during election cycles.
This abuse is a fundamental attack on justice.
It needs to be exposed and examined. Rove, the undisputed mastermind of this immoral and blatant attack on the very foundation of justice in this country, is refusing to testify.
Simple as that. The entire country knows what took place, and who did it, Cheney and Rove manipulated the system, subverted and perverted the system, in an insane powergrab. They believed that Americans were and are the enemy, the 80% who don't support them and their elitist regime for the superclass of superrich. And the weak addle minded village idiot president didn't ever know what was going on, or approved from a distance.
It just doesn't get any worse that that, unless you count killing 4500 americans for a neocon fantasy nationbuilding war.
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antibrainwasher1 year, 4 months ago
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I challange anyone, con or progressive, to come up with a worse offence than politicizing the justice department, or prosecuting a Democrat govenor with trumpted up charges with a republican partisan political prosecution team Rove built, and have him sentenced to 7 years in jail....an elected official and governor of a state....just because he was a democrat, and for a power grab.
Name something worse that that, and no, getting a hummer in the white house does not even come close. And just for arguements sake, lets take off the table the lying for war and sending 4500 to their death for a neocon zionist nationbuliding big oil fantasy.
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This is a political stunt that can be resolved without conflict through means already available to the courts.
At the same time, Congress is failing in their duty to act on issues that are causing real harm to Americans and the American economy.
No wonder the current Congress has a 9% approval rating.
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antibrainwasher1 year, 4 months ago
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Congress has a veto proof republican senate block of lockstepping cons, the same block that voted to hold a special session for terry shivo.
Vote them out, and you have a new deal. They are fillibustering every attempt to end the war, and bush is promising a veto for every attempt at finance reform, pollution reform, and so on.
Classic, to blame democratic congress for what the republicans are doing. Great swiftboating Bigum.
vote republican, promote loyal republican partisan shills to positions of policy making. vote for Bigum
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