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Posted By ybdogsct 1 year, 5 months ago in Business & Finance"You've heard of mental depression; this is a mental recession," said Phil Gramm, one of McCain's top advisors. "We have become a nation of whiners," he said. "You hear constant whining about a loss of competitiveness, America in decline." McCain once admitted he didn't know as much about economics as he should.
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ybdogsct1 year, 5 months ago
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul/10/joh...
"'What John McCain, George Bush, Phil Gramm, don't understand is that the American people aren't whining, they are suffering - the weight of 8 years of Bush-economics that John McCain has vowed to continue,' said Karen Finney."
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/07/10/politic...
"The economy is the number one issue for voters, and most have a dark assessment of the present situation. 78% of respondents said things are worse now than they were 5 years ago - the highest since 1986."
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalin...
Tim Russert asked John McCain about his comments that he didn't know as much about economics. McCain's answer suggested he had never made such a comment, but he did as recently as December saying:
'The issue of economics is not something I've understood as well as I should, but I've got Greenspan's book.'"
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Beau78901 year, 5 months ago
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Someone should let McCain, Gramm and the Bush defenders know that whining can be distinguished from constructive criticism when complaints are accompanied by ideas about how to improve circumstances.
Some people will never grasp that constructively criticizing the government is not unpatriotic; rather, it's motivated by a love of the nation and its people.
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questionseverything1 year, 5 months ago
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gramm,mcsame,w dont live in same world as the rest of us.....they can spend more in a month on their ccs than most of us will see in a life time
gramm was responsible for the enron loophole and thats responsible for the speculation driving up prices of energy
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Teech1 year, 5 months ago
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Just watched those senile old cretins on the news. Unbelievable, except that nothing that these Repukes say can ever surprise anyone ever again.
Calling us a "nation of whiners, going through a 'mental recession'."
Absolutely! War in Iraq, no jobs, a crashed economy, 10 trillion in debt, and there's Gramm and McLame Insane telling us it's all in our minds! Hey! You aren't really unemployed, you're just dreaming! Wake up! You've never had it so good!
God damn! That's great news. For a minute there I thought America was going down the wrong path.
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Teech1 year, 5 months ago
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If only Republican lies, Republican corruption, Republican bullsh!t and McLame's drool were oil - our energy problems WOULD be solved!
Now, let's get down to some REAL issues - things that affect ALL Americans and are of vital importance - like Obama's mortgage!
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Goppy1 year, 5 months ago
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Now Spinny ... OF COURSE there are dishonest, uncorruptable, and not very straightforward Democrats.
The problem is ... we Christian Conservatives allied with the Republicans and Neo-Cons because they told us they were 'Endorsed' by God.
When it turns out that the Neo-Cons were even MORE dishonest, MORE corrupted, proven LIARS ... well ... it just makes us Christian Conservatives realize we were duped.
Maybe we should consider who we should be aligned with in the future.
Should Christians stand behind those who promote:
- War
- Discrimination of Soldiers
- Deficit Spending
- Pollution and protecting polluters
- Denyin kids health care
Heck ... you can't change a dogs spots.
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antibrainwasher1 year, 5 months ago
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I'm confused. Since Jesus is W's favorite philosopher, I thought jesus was a white conservative rich war mongering oil stock owning suv driving status quo powerhungry male elitist who hated the poor, hated gays, blacks, women and their sissy rights like voting, and favored tax cuts for the rich during a time of war, where only the select poor are dying, opposed the draft for the rich folks kids.
I thought jesus was all about hating the poor and enriching the rich. That is what is happening in 'merica, and doesn't god bless the USA? Isn't jesus on our side? Don't our dead soldiers, fighting to protect big oil in Iraq, go to heaven, cause Jesus was all about big oil?
Didn't jesus preach that burning all possible fossile fuel was gods 11th commandment, and that america should burn 25% of all fuel, and go to war to protect our foreign sources for it?
That's what we are doing, and I thought Jesus was on our side.
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cushi1 year, 5 months ago
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Frankly, Beau, I don't believe they give a dam(n)! They want what they want, and nothing else matters with these people! They worship the almighty dollar and power, power, power is their aphrodisiac.
Average citizens are the fire hydrants and they are the dogs. Demonic power at it's finest.
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Aidenag1 year, 5 months ago
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For those unaware, this would be the same Phil Gramm who created the enron fiasco.. Who while a politician spearheaded the deregulation that made the Enron scandal possible, and who's wife worked for Enron at the time..
He is a real class act.
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NoWayMan1 year, 5 months ago
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Phil Gramm also played a huge part in the mortgage crisis and credit crunch we are now in. many of the problems we are now having are the direct result of Phil Gramm's work in the Senate.
and now Phil Gramm is currently McCain's top economic advisor.
be afraid, be very afraid (of Phil Gramm).
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spkguy1 year, 5 months ago
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Did ya all see this?
John McCain's Connection to Big Oil & The Enron Loophole
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdRbuUQNcxw
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Daylight1 year, 5 months ago
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ybdogsct
"The economy is the number one issue for voters, and most have a dark assessment of the present situation. 78% of respondents said things are worse now than they were 5 years ago - the highest since 1986."
Bush and his administration bust the taxpayers money on perceived enemy who does not exist and war an terror which is his own invention is making America poorer by the day.
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ybdogsct1 year, 5 months ago
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I guess it's easy to dismiss the skyrocketing fuel and energy prices, nationwide housing foreclosures, credit crunch, and record budget deficits when your wife is worth over $100 million, and you're not faced with financial hardships every day.
I hope this is not the kind of economic advice McCain will shape his economic policies around.
Phil Gramm's callous comments can be found here in the Washington Times' original article:
http://www.washtimes.com/news/2008/jul/09/mccai...
"Various surveys show that consumer confidence has fallen precipitously this year to the lowest levels in two to three decades, with most analysts attributing that to record high gasoline prices over $4 a gallon and big drops in the value of homes, which are consumers' biggest assets.
'Misery sells newspapers,' Mr. Gramm said. 'Thank God the economy is not as bad as you read in the newspaper every day.'"
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 5 months ago
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They are arrogant asswipes and have no interest in what real Americans are thinking, feeling or suffering as a result of living in the real America that they have damaged.
Their buddies are all doing real well, even though I heard one of them had to fire one of the maids for their summer home.
They WILL be the FIRST to jump on Obama's much softer version of what he sees coming from those struggling in western Pennsylvania.
They are just oblivious and think we're all just worker bees. Give 'em guns, have them go hunt gays and they'll shut up, right?
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AnteUp1 year, 5 months ago
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ybdogsct ~
Good Lord! "Misery sells newspapers" What a piece of filth!
I heard a segment on NPR Monday(?) about home foreclosures
and the relationship to our animal shelters filling up.
I'm an animal person - but it was a people story too.
People giving up their dogs to shelters because they lost
their homes. Another family adopted a dog and had to move
to an apartment with a No Pets policy........back to the
shelter. The shelters are even using foster families who
can just get the dogs out of the shelter for a while.
Families don't go to the trouble of adopting a new pet
when they know that financial ruin is around the corner.
These poor people haven't even seen it coming and then
they become a heartbroken statistic.
I won't need a tissue next time thanks to Mr.Gramm -
he's clarified it for me - they're just a bunch of whiners?
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walden31 year, 5 months ago
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Lurch1 year, 5 months ago
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I suppose when you and your friends and family never earned the millions in the first place, but instead easily ripped them off the taxpayers and consumers with zero accountability, it may be hard to imagine why all Americans are not rich like you.
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Beau78901 year, 5 months ago
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I can't really follow W.'s path to wealth.
You see, I don't have a rich dad who everyone wants to do favors for. I've tried to get folks to hand me corporate directorships, and I've tried to buy baseball teams with other people's money.
Go figure--no one will bite.
And no matter how hard I try, I can't drive every business I've ever owned into the ground and escape with a profit.
Were you able to do that, crghss?
If you could tell me how I can make any of those things happen, please let me know. I work hard, but no one ever hands me my own companies to ruin.
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AnteUp1 year, 5 months ago
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walden3 ~
My reaction too - I laughed out loud when I heard it!
Could that be construed as elitist? Or just a "let them eat cake" attitude?
Speaking from the "bitter belt" - Obama's remarks were as
nothing compared to this compassionate(?) conservative's
views on us folks, and our economic woes.
Forgive me if I've said it before - but these guys LIKE
the little guys and the middle class...........they think
everybody should own one!
Is that their "ownership" society?
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mesodude1 year, 5 months ago
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This was bound to happen sooner or later... Republicans are beginning to crumble under the strain of lying one moment that the economy is wonderful and in the next breath lying that Democrats are to blame because Americans are struggling.
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antibrainwasher1 year, 5 months ago
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Have a block of lockstep veto proof republican senators filibuster and block every bill, and the call then dems no spine do nothing congress.
Make believe you're brave
And the trick will take you far.
You may be as brave
As you make believe you are
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Lurch1 year, 5 months ago
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This anti-American whining from one of the leading enablers of the Enron scandal that robbed Americans of billions of dollars, while his wife sat on the Enron board getting rich.
What a two-faced hypocritical jack-ass, aka a Republican.
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AnteUp1 year, 5 months ago
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Lurch ~
Thank you - I knew there was something rotten I had read
about Gramm just recently - and I could not bring it to
mind. That's it - he was the cheif architect of the Enron
Loophole! This guy reeks!
And thank you John McCain for bringing in the cream of the
crap to see to the economic welfare of the American people!
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 5 months ago
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Gramm was the leader of the accounting changes that allowed Enron to look like a major industrial entity without having an actual industrial product.
From his point of view, that stock was perfectly fine, -until un-patriots whined that Enron's chief assets were large blocks of stock in smaller companies whose chief assets were large blocks of Enron stock.
So to with the economy; you just gotta believe the value is there
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 5 months ago
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Ooooh, glad you asked, here's the foul story:
The legislation reducing government oversight of energy trading was muscled through Congress â;; without a Senate committee hearing â;; with the aid of U.S. Sen. Phil Gramm
of Texas. Gramm was chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, which had jurisdiction over the legislation he co-sponsored, but he chose to bypass his committee,
and the bill was quietly tacked onto a "must-pass" appropriations bill late in the session.
Gramm's wife, Wendy Gramm, also aided Enron's rise to power. As chairwoman of the
Commodity Futures Trading Commission, she pushed through a key regulatory exemption
on Jan. 14, 1993, just as she was about to leave office. Five weeks later, she joined
Enron's board of directors, where she served on the board's audit committee and had
access to key financial information about the company.
http://www.apfn.org/enron/gramm.htm
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crghss1 year, 5 months ago
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It was fraud, pure and simple. Pull out all the tinfoil hat sits you want. Me, I stick with the truth. Ken Lay and Skilling was convicted of securities fraud, wire fraud and insider trading. Arthur Andersen was in on it and that destroyed their Company. You can have all the rules you want. But when people conspire to circumvent them its called fraud. Which is what happened.
Something like 13 or so people pleaded guilty to various SEC violations.
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 5 months ago
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I have no tinfoil hat.
My impression is that experts on securities fraud, and the Enron case in particular, see the regulatory exemptions as being critical to allowing the company to commit fraud.
And what do you mean, you stick to the truth?
Does that mean you question your beliefs when confronted with evidence you are wrong?
How often do you change your mind?
How often are you wrong?
Do you tell political allies when they are wrong?
Do you tell political opponents when they are right?
'Sticking to the truth' sounds a hard, lonely road.
Good for you! and God bless you on that lonely journey.
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ConquerorWyrm1 year, 5 months ago
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"It was fraud, pure and simple."
Don't forget murder...or at least we shouldn't. And when I say murder, I can not recall the total number of people who lost their lives due to the rolling blackouts, but for each who did..their lives were lost through the criminal acts of Enron and those public officials who enabled such criminal activity to take place.
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miklkit1 year, 5 months ago
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AnteUp1 year, 5 months ago
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miklkit ~
Do you have any idea how many d-cell batteries I sold
at the estate sale after my Mom passed away in California?
Caring for her at home and trying to be prepared for
their G.D. contrived "rolling black-outs".
I thought I was going to have a stroke when I heard those
Enron guys on audio snickering about Granny and the
power fluctuations - total S.O.B.'s
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crghss1 year, 5 months ago
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Beau78901 year, 5 months ago
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Seriously. From the Houston Chronicle:
http://blogs.chron.com/txpotomac/2008/06/online...
"Gramm used his prominent position in the Senate to promote less federal oversight of the energy industry. Democrats single out a provision pushed by Gramm in 2000 that exempted energy trading on electronic platforms from federal regulation.
"The provision was dubbed 'the Enron loophole' because it was backed by the Houston-based energy trader Enron, on whose board Gramm's wife Wendy sat at the time.
"California officials blamed the provision for precipitating the electricity crisis in California in late 2000 and 2001. More recently, Democrats say that energy traders have used it to drive up energy prices. Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., likens the action to taking 'the cop off the beat.' "
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 5 months ago
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crghss:
you don't seem to know anything about what you are telling us about. You said you were going to stick to the truth; that requires you have some knowledge of the truth.
Enron and Reliant manipulated the energy crisis in california that caused massive rolling blackouts.
There are some very fun/sick recordings of enron traders laughing at what they were doing.
Manipulation strategies were known under names such as "Fat Boy", "Death Star", "Forney Perpetual Loop", "Ricochet", "Ping Pong", "Black Widow", "Big Foot", "Red Congo", "Cong Catcher" and "Get Shorty". Some of these have been extensively investigated and described in reports.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_electri...
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Teech1 year, 5 months ago
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And what did CA get? A mega-millions Repuke financed smear campaign that blamed the entire CA energy fiasco on Dem. governor Davis. Repuke governor Schartzenstupid, whose experience is in making Terminator movies, raises more money than any governer candidate in HISTORY while accusing his rival of campaign finance abuse. The Governator accepts over 700 million from HMO's alone, and then vetoes a single payer health care bill that would have saved CA taxpayers BILLIONS. Now CA is bankrupt again with the big Repuke preaching lower taxes and reduced spending. Of course! He increased his staff 20% and the next week freezes state spending after creating the largest, most expensive government in the history of the state. Sound familiar? It got Bush elected and McSame is trying to pull the same scam.
Preach smaller government, then increase it logarithmically with your cronies. Lie, lie some more, and keep lying until FOX calls it the truth.
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jordan111 year, 5 months ago
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And what did CA get? A mega-millions Repuke financed smear campaign that blamed the entire CA energy fiasco on Dem. governor Davis.>>>>>
Yep. And it wasn't Davis who deregulated. It was Pete Wilson, the CON governor before Davis. Did the media point that out? Nope.
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miklkit1 year, 5 months ago
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There it is. I was going to point that out but you beat me to it. Republicon Gramm passed the legislation on the federal level, and republicon Pete Wilson wrote the bill at the State level. It was a republicon setup all the way to oust Grey Davis and get a republicon in office.
Also, Grey Davis let out 24 permits to build new power plants, and construction was happening. After the recall all of those projects were stopped in their tracks. We got our layoff checks and just walked away. Construction just recently started again.
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scott42611 year, 5 months ago
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Dontcha see? ANYTHING that has gone wrong during the presidency of George W. Bush (who IS an idiot) is a result of the policies of Bill Clinton (who ISN'T).
Make sense, huh?
Yeah...only in the up is down, down is up, bizarro world of denial these people live in.
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Xaos1 year, 5 months ago
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Honestly Bill Clinton was the one who signed the Commodities Futures Modernization Act of 2000 into law during the last month or so of his presidency, so he did play a part in it. If he realized the implications of it is another matter entirely.
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Sabretooth1 year, 5 months ago
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Excellent point B1B and i am sure you would not mind backing that assertion up since i do not have your keen mind or knowledge. I am afraid i am too used to conservatives just shouting about Bill rather then accept any blame for the massive deterioration of the American economy and morality. Thankyou in advance for what i am sure will be an exceptionally enlightening lesson.
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mrbs1 year, 5 months ago
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but he is correct.it wasnt till w took office that investigations began.all the stuff they got away with was done on Clinton's watch.i dont remember his name but the one guy called w and asked for a little help and w more or less told him to go take a leap.what it boiled down to is clinton turned his head the other way.w did not.
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ConquerorWyrm1 year, 5 months ago
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"...the guys at enron saw bill get away with all the scams so they did it too."
goodness! that makes the Nuremberg defense seem silly...I mean, who needs to blame it on orders when you can just can just say "I saw so&so do this&that so I can do the same as well"
Are you an adult?
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B1BLancer1 year, 5 months ago
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Very sorry, but here is proof.
1997 : Skilling named president and chief operating officer of Enron. Fastow creates Chewco, a partnership, to buy the University of California pension fund's stake in another joint venture dubbed JEDI, but Chewco doesn't meet requirements to be kept off Enron's balance sheet. First step toward similar financial moves to hide debt and inflate profits that fuel Enron's downfall.
1998 : Fastow named finance chief.
1999 : Causey named chief accounting officer. Fastow creates the first of two partnerships, LJM, purported to "buy" poorly performing Enron assets and hedge risky investments. It helps the company hide debt and inflate profits.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy...
So, as you can see, the fall of Enron had started during Clinton's watch. Period. Too bad. Deal with it.
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 5 months ago
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Of course, and if you can't pin it on him, go blame Carter, or Truman... Your avoidance of what GRAMM did is astounding, but typical inexplicable apologism...Go away when you have something to add, we're tired of your ilk, which has put is in this PRESENT MESS!!
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 5 months ago
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Your belief that what he said is true is your right.
The rest of us believe that what he said is divisive, arrogant and cruel in the face of what his people have done to the rest of us who just want an opportunity to work hard and live with dignity. You just don't get it. You are siding with the rotten core of the "haves" and that is the same philosophy that lost Marie Antoinette a place to put her tiara!! Or was she telling the truth too?
Not all rich people are rotten, they have a conscience, but you and Joe McCarthy wouldn't call them compassionate, you'd call them Commies..Wouldn't that be your "truth"???
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CHAM1 year, 5 months ago
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Good Post ybdogsct, I guess there's not too many Republicans bragging about the great economy these days but my money says if they can find a way to blame somebody, anybody, for the sagging economy, they will be at it with ferocity.
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Ciera-Marie1 year, 5 months ago
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Cham to answer your question about who they're blaming look at B1Blancer's comment above yours. Sound familiar?
Also the right forgets that the President and Vice President made a lot of money on Enron. In fact because of their involvement in Enron I was floored that they stole the first election. This, to me was way worse, than the so called impeachment of Clinton for a b.j. in the W.H. (He wasn't the first one to get one there and won't be the last the one.)
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Xaos1 year, 5 months ago
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I would of expected no less of a comment from the guy who was the architect of the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000. We are talking about Mr. Enron Loophole here, Phil Gramm the Enron shill. This guy should be as kept as far away from the economy as possible lest he does more harm to it.
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hyperbola1 year, 5 months ago
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Remember that McCain has personally been involved in at least four instances of corruption and that Gramm never saw a get-rich-quick scheme for his buddies that he didn't like.
The Lobbyist Whom McCain Won't Fire
John McCain has been purging lobbyists from his campaign trying to reclaim the mantle of political reformer, but there's one lobbyist whose role as a key economic adviser makes him almost untouchable despite ties to the sub-prime debacle, links to the Enron disaster and alleged evasion of ethics rules....
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2008/071008b.html
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Grrr1 year, 5 months ago
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Hey, where's all the CON shills? I figured I'd find at least one here trying to defend these arseholes.
Guess I'll go hunt them down on some "Obama IS Rev.Wright" thread, bunch of hypocritical liars that they are, and point out that McCain must be Gramm, just to be fair.
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 5 months ago
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Absolutely correct!
Americans are whiny yap dogs who don't have the stamina to stomach mortgage fraud, stock fraud, pension fund failures, a shrinking dollar, declining jobs, high gas prices, lower standards of living, poor health care, declining education and all the other little problems that the little people should expect in their little, little lives.
Of course it was kinda tacky of Gramm to say it out loud.
He should save that sort of thing for private parties of bush's base.
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bigG1 year, 5 months ago
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That was really good, but you forgot an ill-advised war, great big tax cuts for the wealthy, an exploding deficit(10% of all government payouts now go for interest on that debt), government eavesdropping, etc.. Oh, and an embarrassment of a President who gives "English as a second language" a whole new meaning.
I could go on, just wanted to point out you missed a few.
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B1BLancer1 year, 5 months ago
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I fail to see why it's Bush's fault that some people bought more house than they could afford and lenders made risky loans. Perhaps you could explain how that works.
And as for gas prices, if Slick Willie hadn't vetoed the ANWR drilling bill, all that oil would be coming online right about now.
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CRYMTYPHON1 year, 5 months ago
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The war in Iraq cost the US 3 trillion directly; another 3 trillion indirectly.
While we had tax cuts.
This means that the dollar is worth a lot less.
And that means lots of people with an adjustable mortgage rate found themselves adjusted out of their houses.
As for gas prices, if we were drilling in ANWR OPEC would have decreased production to match, and American refineries would have raised prices to match. As long as we are addicts the price will be as high as those who sell can get away with.
You are right; Bush isn't directly responsible for everything wrong in the country. But he was supposed to be the steward of our country's money, strength, honor, resources and trust; and he squandered it all.
He, and his supporters.
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scott42611 year, 5 months ago
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Yeah! Get a JOB, you LAZY LIBERAL! Stop WHINING! The FREE MARKET will take care of it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYqF_BtIwAU
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miklkit1 year, 5 months ago
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good link!
Here's one I like.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTW0y6kazWM
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slate1 year, 5 months ago
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You can always count on the left crying about these thypes of threads the day before they post one to off set what they did yesterday,,,,,, How the Jesse Nads Jackson thread going?
Though you do have to admit,,,, the 700 million dollars in lobby money Gramm raised in the 90s to de-regulate finance and get us to where we are today,,, does put him in the 'You suck' box.
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jordan111 year, 5 months ago
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Ya gotta love it. Graham pushed to deregulate banking, the scam artists moved in, the speculators got rich, and a million or more people will lose their homes. But Americans are whiners. Whatta guy. Any bets on whether or not Graham was one of those speculators? Any bets on how much he is invested in oil speculation? And let's not forget Enron screwing millions when the regulations got tossed by CONS. Americans aren't 'whiners' but they are stupid. They gave these clowns power, & they'd better start educating themselves on what happens without regulation of industries.
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Fosrestoy1 year, 5 months ago
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I can't really follow W.'s path to wealth.
You see, I don't have a rich dad who everyone wants to do favors for. I've tried to get folks to hand me corporate directorships, and I've tried to buy baseball teams with other people's money.
Go figure--no one will bite.
And no matter how hard I try, I can't drive every business I've ever owned into the ground and escape with a profit.
Were you able to do that, crghss?
See also^ http://alleducationinfo.com/goergiaeducationass...
If you could tell me how I can make any of those things happen, please let me know. I work hard, but no one ever hands me my own companies to ruin.
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antibrainwasher1 year, 5 months ago
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the following is for your intelectual and asthetic pleasure for all the hard working republian shills, and encapsulates Phill Gramms economic philosophy quite well:
Whenever I feel afraid
I hold my head erect
And whistle a happy tune
So no one will suspect
I'm afraid
While shivering in my shoes
I strike a careless pose
And whistle a happy tune
And no one ever knows
I'm afraid
The result of this deception
Is very strange to tell
For when I fool the people
I fear I fool myself as well!
Make believe you're brave
And the trick will take you far.
You may be as brave
As you make believe you are
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antibrainwasher1 year, 5 months ago
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The result of this deception
Is very strange to tell
For when I fool the people
I fear I fool myself as well!
Crap, now its stuck in my head, the jingle that won't go away.
Feelings, nothing more that feelings, trying to forget my feelings, feelings of Rove.
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Rayman1 year, 5 months ago
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This is a 'preview' of what kind of people McCain would have on his team, if elected! McCain has NOTHING new to bring to the White House besides his anger, hawkish looks and warmonger attitude. This man would turn this nation into a war machine that would invade, bomb and destroy everything that might stand in his right-wing way. Vietnam was a classic case of a failed attempt of 'regime change' by the bullet! The U.S.A. is no longer the big guns in the world. China would be the NO.1 superpower within years. Sadly to say, we might even become a 'third world nation'?
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CHAM1 year, 5 months ago
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Rayman the real scary thing is that history teaches us that nations that occupy and enslave always end being occupied and enslaved.
We are going down that path now. I don't think we have passed the point of no return yet, but it might be getting close.
What we are doing is setting ourselves up for the day the world will say no more. That's when we might remember the McCains and their enablers the most..
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joeblowe1 year, 5 months ago
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There might be a little truth in that "whiners" label. The thing is, those guys are all better of with "whiners" than they would be if all the "whiners" decided to stop whining and DO something about it. First thing MIGHT end up being a huge march to D.C. to physically throw the bums out. Some days, I think that might not be such a bad idea. Perhaps we've suffered enough now from electing professional politicians instead of electing regular "people" who might actually put the needs of the nation ahead of their "need" to get reelected. Just a thought...
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