"Don't Ask, Don't Tell" may go to Supreme Court »

Posted By bubba2 11 months, 3 weeks ago in Style

Federal appeals courts recently have come down on both sides of the controversial "don't ask, don't tell" policy on homosexuals serving in the military, raising the possibility that the Supreme Court might take up the issue.

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    kboy11 months, 3 weeks ago

    The problem still is 70 people living in one room and using one bathroom. The other 69 have a right to privacy and should not be subjected to sexual pressure. Change the situation slightly. How would you like to be the only straight person living with 69 gay people? How about being the only female living with 69 men? Ever been uncomfortable being forced to work with a couple that are sexually active? Sex is something that needs to be kept in the bedroom, not in the workplace.

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    unome211 months, 3 weeks ago

    This looks like it just might be preparation for reinstating the draft.

    Of course a much more important story is the rape and murder of female soldiers serving in the military.

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    amazed11 months, 3 weeks ago

    "Don't ask, don't tell" is a ridiculous policy as is an outright ban on gays in the military.

    Gays have ALWAYS served honorably and ably (although under the radar).

    Regardless of whether you agree that homosexuality is just an alternate lifestyle or an abomination or something else entirely, forcing people to keep something like this secret in order to serve just opens the door to blackmail and security risks. Gays in the military are not a security risk because they ARE gay, they are a security risk because they are not allowed to ADMIT that they are gay.

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    vizion11 months, 3 weeks ago

    This will be an interesting case. I hardly think it has anything to do with reinstating the draft, though.

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      Bruedaddy11 months, 3 weeks ago

      My opinion is that I don't care what your sexual preference is as long as your rifle is pointed downrange toward the enemy.

      don't care if you "check me out in the shower"

      Just watch my back please....no pun intended.

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      Hobe11 months, 3 weeks ago

      "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" may go to Supreme Court

      Is it fair to say, Homosexuals are never treated fairly. If a HoMosexual Man or Women wants to have a private bath in the military, what is the problem?

      Why should a Woman want to be or, a Man want to be, be forced to deal with joint private quarter's?

      If there were seperate quarters pertaining to each individual needs there would not be the problem of Real men being upset with what his/her fellow group members are thinking.

      What has this nation become anyway, Tough Darts?

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      tchef11 months, 3 weeks ago

      I think that by making the orientation of a soldier a matter of secrecy, you make that person venerable to coercion. What better thing to threaten someone with than to make their orientation public and get them thrown out of the military.

      Remove the rule and remove the problem.

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      Poulenc11 months, 3 weeks ago

      Of course gays should serve without having to hide their sexual nature.

      One of the horrors of "don't ask" is that it enshrines gayness as "dirty secret"--the closet position. Of course, it also makes gay men and women vulnerable.

      It's idiotic to contend that straight men are somehow at a disadvantage in the presence of gay men in close quarters. If anything, gay men have learned over time, for reasons of self-protection, to strictly inhibit expressions of potentially unwanted sexual attention.

      Mostly, though, the notion of inevitable gay-straight conflict is bogus, an invention of the puritanical and/or homophobic.

      Finally, one's sexuality is nobody's damn business!

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        Will131311 months, 3 weeks ago

        Backward as much of our society is about sexuality.. I believe that many gay's would be in almost as much danger from there "brother's in arms" as from the enemy....

        gays in civilian life face danger from homophobes.. why would the military be any different..and those guys are armed...

        that being said...

        i don't care as long as we are shooting at the same people.. join right in white, black, gay, straight, green or purple.. you got my back.. I've got yours...

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        Harbeas11 months, 3 weeks ago

        If someone wants to tell the world they are gay, they have that right and should not be discriminated against for it.

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          raats666211 months, 3 weeks ago

          It wasn't that long ago that the same arguments used to ban gays from openly serving (degrade unit cohesion, lower morale and reduce order and discipline) were the EXACT same arguments used to keep WOMEN from serving and African American from serving.

          There are STILL service member who have problems (and there always will be) servicing with women and Blacks, but that doesn't mean that morale has suffered or discipline has suffered.

          And as for the soldiers worried about 'a gay soldier checking them out'. They are probably the SAME soldiers that spend their time openly 'checking out' female service member and perhaps going further to grab, brush or intimidate them into uncomfortable feelings. As is usually the case....they can dish it out, but they can't take it!

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          jordan1111 months, 3 weeks ago

          The first man seriously injured in Iraq is gay. He was a Marine who came out after he came home....without his leg. Here's his story on 'don't ask don't tell.'

          http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/28/alva-dont-ask/

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            unome211 months, 3 weeks ago

            I'm always surprised that there are people willing to go to a foreign country and kill people, gay or straight.

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              Poulenc11 months, 3 weeks ago

              Yes, unome, I sometimes ask myself what it would take ME to go to war.

              A great deal, is the answer.

              Certainly more, much more than having George Bush declare that the leader of Iraq must be removed for all the putative reasons given.

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                bill293611 months, 3 weeks ago

                Does anyone notice that the 'Gays in the Military issue' was not an issue until the Gays made it an issue? Before that, there were gays in the military, they just kept themselves quiet.

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                alakazam11 months, 3 weeks ago

                I am gonna go out on a limb here.

                What I really think about it, my personal opinion of this thing.

                I think a Soldier or Warrior should be a Man's Man regardless of his sexual orientation. Same for the Ladies of course, I guess you would call that a Ladies Lady.

                Is that not part of their Duty?

                I think the people who have actually served somewhere know what I am talking about.

                Military Duty in a firm Military Mind, isn't that what makes a Soldier?

                Spend a couple of months underway on a submarine and tell me about learning to deal with people and getting along.

                Do I want to listen to people humping in the bunk above me? Not Particularly, I don't care what their sexes are.

                It's a White Elephant.

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                Poulenc11 months, 3 weeks ago

                Bill, above: the reason that gays make (or made) an "issue" of being gay is that the can be denied the right to serve on the basis of sexual preference. Gays could--and can--be discharged for that reason. Not exactly fair, right?

                And Alak: I'm not sure what you mean by a "man's man," although it has an ironic, probably unwanted homoeroticism to it.

                To subscribe to the notion that gays must somehow meet a "maleness" test, which in fact all male soldiers must (putting aside for now what that might actually BE), is to imply that gays in particular MIGHTN'T.

                Which means you'd be falling for very dusty stereotypes of what gay men are.

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                  Poulenc11 months, 3 weeks ago

                  Condi, above, every marginalized and/or unjustifiably despised group must go through a period in which they assert their identity to be recognized and (hopefully) accepted for who they are.

                  Gay people have made great strides in the last twenty years or so--but there's still work to be done.

                  When homophobia is no longer an issue, or has decreased to a very, very dull roar, there'll be less need for the kind of "advertising" you reject.

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