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DropkickaLib1 year, 5 months ago

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If you noticed, this was a vote in the State Soviet, I mean Legislature, not a public ballot issue. Wouldn't want too much democracy to cloud the issue.

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  Tangent0011 year, 5 months ago
  
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  "Forty-four state legislatures have passed Defense of Marriage laws..."
  http://pewforum.org/events/?EventID=121
  I imagine in these cases, it just the government working the way it is supposed to.
  Know what I think? I think all this hollering about 'activist judges' or 'legislatures not listening to the will of the people' is a smoke screen. Y'all simply think gay marriage is wrong and what you really want is a federal ban on gay marriage so even states won't be able to decide for themselves.
  
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    DropkickaLib1 year, 5 months ago
    
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    No, in nearly every state where the issue has been put to a public vote, it has lost. Talk about a smoke screen.
    
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      Ratskii1 year, 5 months ago
      
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      Interestingly, the conservative state of Arizona rejected the proposal when it was voted on by the people there. I see the spirit of Barry Goldwater, that darned old libertarian, smiling.
      
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  Tangent0011 year, 5 months ago
  
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  You are assuming as well that the Legislature is acting AGAINST the will of the people. Polls say different:
  "# A statewide poll by Mass Equality in May 2005 found that 62% of those Massachusetts residents polled support marriage equality for gays and lesbians.
  # Fully 84% of voters believe marriage equality has either had a positive impact or no impact on the quality of life in Massachusetts.
  # 82% of those surveyed said allowing gays and lesbians to marry has either had a positive impact or no impact at all on traditional marriages, contradicting one of the core arguments of opponents."
  http://lesbianlife.about.com/od/wedding/a/MassO...
  
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    Tangent0011 year, 5 months ago
    
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    From the same article:
    "All state legislators who support gay marriage were voted back into office in November 2004. Two gay marriage opponents lost their seats."
    
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      DropkickaLib1 year, 5 months ago
      
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      Did the article mention that the gay marriage issue was meaningless in terms of their reelections? I mean, clearly the two opponents were Republicans and the DNC had the advantage of being able to identify them with the Iraq War.
      
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        hamy1 year, 5 months ago
        
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        Did you mention that marriage equality is meaningless to you in terms of how it affects you personally or your family?
        Not that I am aware of.
        
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        DropkickaLib1 year, 5 months ago
        
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        Did I mention that the state shouldn't have to officiate something that violates the mores of the vast majority of its residents? I should have.
        
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        hamy1 year, 5 months ago
        
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        So did interracial couples. So did single parents adopting children. Things that are commonplace now.
        Understand? Without someone forcing change, it will not happen.
        
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        DropkickaLib1 year, 5 months ago
        
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        Without social engineering and the attack on the traditional family, you can't advance your agenda...I see alright.
        
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        UnusualSuspect1 year, 5 months ago
        
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        Luckily, traditions change...gay marriage probably won't become legal in most states for at least a decade or two, but it will become legal eventually.
        Once the people who are afraid, or don't understand, are dead and gone, things will change. That's the way it's always been, and that will also be the case for gay marriage, too.
        
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        Tangent0011 year, 5 months ago
        
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        Well said, sir. The same was true of interracial marriage.
        Heck, Bob Jones University banned interracial dating up until 2000.
        
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        hamy1 year, 5 months ago
        
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        How is it an attack? How does two people's personal relationship harm another?
        Prove to me that a family is physically harmed by the existence of another family and I will gladly stop pressing to have the same rights as every other tax paying citizen.
        
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        ZippySpincycle1 year, 5 months ago
        
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        I live in Idaho and got divorced a few years back. I'm going to blame gay marriage in California for that. Or Canada. Canada's always a good scapegoat.
        
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        DropkickaLib1 year, 5 months ago
        
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        It must have been your infectious charm, Zippy.
        
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    DropkickaLib1 year, 5 months ago
    
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    This is MA. The only state that would elect Ted Kennedy to any office beyond dog catcher. Clearly an unusually Left-wing state. I see that the poll comes from an unbiased source. No questions about polling methodology here, right?
    
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      Tangent0011 year, 5 months ago
      
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      If you don't think the poll was sound, provide another.
      
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        DropkickaLib1 year, 5 months ago
        
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        I can do better than that. A total of 27 states have successfully amended their constitutions to defend marriage while only in Arizona did a vote reject a similar move.
        
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        Tangent0011 year, 5 months ago
        
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        Yes, but I was talking about the public opinion in Massachusetts. You seem to be asserting that the MA state legislature was acting against the will of the MA people.
        
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        DropkickaLib1 year, 5 months ago
        
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        The survey you provided was definitely not unbiased but if any state would be amendable to homosexual marriage it would be the Ma$$holes.
        
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        Ratskii1 year, 5 months ago
        
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        "only in Arizona did a vote reject a similar move"
        I can feel the spirit of Barry Goldwater smiling.
        
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      KazamaSmokers1 year, 5 months ago
      
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      You don't know Massachusetts.
      
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